If a man has a brain tumor, shouldn't there be a lawyer that decides..

[lostnfound]

Shouldn’t a lawyer review the case to determine if the continued functioning of the surrounding brain cells is REALLY under imminent threat without surgery? Shouldn’t surgery be postponed until the life of the brain as a whole is under imminent threat? Maybe the removal of the tumor poses an unnecessary risk to the life of those very human brain cells?

After all, the brain is the seat of the soul.

No? It’s the heart that matters? Well in that case, if you’re getting you a coronary bypass done, we need some politicians to weigh in on it, too. Wait. You’re a GOP politician who has no heart?

In that case, we can be sure that the a**hole matters the most.

Sorry. The latest story of a poor woman who almost died because she had a serious crisis with her pregnancy and the doctors were mostly trying to avoid getting caught up in a firestorm of Neanderthal dumbasses who don’t know anything about pregnancy has left me nauseated.

On what planet are doctors forced to take such chances with your life??

[Hope22]

1. Well put.

Seems to me it’s not a planet but living hell.

[TigressDem]

2. If men could get pregnant....

Then the equivalent to an ectopic pregnancy would be the seed starts to grow in the ball sac.....

Would ANY MAN demand another man continue that kind of pregnancy where at some point well before the fetus would live the whole thing would rupture and .....

[WhiskeyGrinder]

3. Men can get pregnant.

[NullTuples]

13. Thank you! The saying still works, just put "cis" in front of "men"

[TigressDem]

19. Not without a change of plumbing and a uterus.

I am not against trans or binary pregnancies. THOSE people WANT a baby of their OWN.

They aren't forcing OTHER people to carry to term even if the fetus has died or will die and/or kill the mother in the course of the pregnancy.

BUT IF MEN could experience the total powerlessness of an ectopic pregnancy with their own plumbing.... if this were a regular thing for men to go through, they would not want it to happen.

It's a visual for the knuckle draggers who think women are meant to be barefoot and pregnant because that is their lot in life due to the presence of the womb in their biology.

It's a way to explain to MAGAs who have no concept of CARING about what any woman goes through during a pregnancy HOW AWFUL a tubal pregnancy is for a woman and the fetus who can not survive.


The same way even women cringe when a guy gets a solid kick in the nuts or some skate border misses and lands sack crack on the railing because we KNOW that's gotta hurt....

THIS visual explanation to people who support making women carry an ectopic pregnancy is something hard to unsee.




https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/can-men-become-pregnant

A person who was born male and is living as a man cannot get pregnant. However, some transgender men and nonbinary people can.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

24. .

BUT IF MEN could experience the total powerlessness of an ectopic pregnancy with their own plumbing.... if this were a regular thing for men to go through, they would not want it to happen.

Some men can. They are trans.

It's a visual for the knuckle draggers who think women are meant to be barefoot and pregnant because that is their lot in life due to the presence of the womb in their biology. It's a way to explain to MAGAs who have no concept of CARING about what any woman goes through during a pregnancy HOW AWFUL a tubal pregnancy is for a woman and the fetus who can not survive.

Well, it doesn't seem to be making much headway, as people have been saying it for decades. And because it erases trans people and their experiences, we can stop saying it.

[TigressDem]

25. Trans men aren't the problem. To be clear. I have said it multiple times.

Facts are facts. To give birth requires a uterus. It isn't anything against anyone. It is a biological fact.

When a man gives up all that he had to become female, welcome to the sisterhood, I say.

NOW I see these people as MORE than, not LESS than as they have an understanding of both sides.


NOTHING about wishing that these men who want to control women's rights to their own bodies could understand the HELL they put people through has ANYTHING to do with MEN or TRANS who understand the problem in the first place.


LET ME EXPLAIN WHAT I SAID.... AGAIN Because your reply is vague.

BUT IF MEN could experience the total powerlessness of an ectopic pregnancy with their own plumbing.... if this were a regular thing for men to go through, they would not want it to happen.

Some men can. They are trans.


EVEN A TRANS MAN CAN NOT HAVE AN ECTOPIC PREGNANCY IN THEIR MALE PLUMBING. Biologically it is an impossibility.

IF A TRANS has an ectopic pregnancy in their modified state, then yes, they can understand. BUT THEN they are ACTUALLY viewing it FROM a FEMALE perspective and not from the knuckle dragging perspective of MAGA goons.



SO MY COMMENT IS NOT DIRECTED AT TRANS IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.


My guess is that most TRANS would NOT want to see ANY WOMAN die of an ectopic pregnancy because they typically don't view women as LESS THAN and ONLY baby makers.


The NEW crew of knuckle draggers grew up after ROE V WADE and pay no attention to reality on a daily basis, so they haven't heard this old chestnut or the modified version.

SO IT COULD BE EFFECTIVE.


Never know.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

26. .

EVEN A TRANS MAN CAN NOT HAVE AN ECTOPIC PREGNANCY IN THEIR MALE PLUMBING. Biologically it is an impossibility.

A trans man, generally speaking, is someone who was assigned female at birth (AFAB), has transitioned, and is now a man. That transition may or may not include a hysterectomy/oophorectomy. If it does not, they may still be able to become pregnant. Men can become pregnant.

[meadowlander]

27. Trans men are men. They are born with a uterus. Some still have one. They are still men.

Trans men who choose to carry a baby are called seahorse dads.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/how-pregnant-transgender-man-dubbed-19004577

Not all trans people choose to medically transition. They are still trans.

Those are the facts.

[TigressDem]

32. Seahorse DADS. Yes, but so much choice is required to get there.

NOW the link you sent is about a person born female who was becoming TRANS Male and stopped hormones to allow the biology of the female to handle things, but I am aware there are people who have literally BOTH sets of plumbing - rare.


https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/how-pregnant-transgender-man-dubbed-19004577


HOWEVER, ANYONE who is compassionate about what pregnancy does to a human being IS NOT the "problem".


I guess you can think of it this way......



WHAT IF human beings were medically reversed and "somehow" MALES bore the children and FEMALES were the support and protectors?


HOW would men's general attitude across the world be different?


BECAUSE pregnancy has molded the lives of women for eons, there is fear and understanding that the "average male" can't access.

SOME CHOOSE to be understanding and supportive of women having choice.


BUT IF MALES had been bearing children over the eons, they would "get it" without having to reach for it as much.

[FalloutShelter]

4. In the day...

When I was involved in the marches for women’s reproductive freedom we used to say:
If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.

[SheltieLover]

6. Absolutely!

[slightlv]

8. I remember those days!

And that's still one of my signature sayings!

[soldierant]

18. I remember that as being

a Steinem quote.

Not that it matters who said it first/. A self-evindent truth is a self-evident truth, regardless who says it.

[TigressDem]

20. Exactly

Thanks for understanding.

[Lonestarblue]

5. Abortion is reproductive healthcare, just as vasectomies are.

Why is one outlawed and the other is not? Could it possibly bee because some people want to impose their beliefs on all women and make them suffer for daring to have sex?!!!

[SheltieLover]

7. How about if a panel of women

determined whether any guy should be allowed an rx for Viagra?

[dickthegrouch]

9. But what about gay guys and Bi's?

Have to make enough exceptions for all.

Which is part of the problem.

To the extent that separate amendments are “necessary “ in the constitution for Women and people of color, exceptions don’t work. Why not remove all doubt and replace all gender specific language with generic “legal residents”.

I know some complaint can found with that too. But the existing situation is ridiculous.

[SheltieLover]

10. "Legal residents" works for me.

[TigressDem]

21. I am not against trans or binary pregnancies. THOSE people WANT a baby of their OWN.

They aren't forcing OTHER people to carry to term even if the fetus has died or will die and/or kill the mother in the course of the pregnancy.


It's the hypocrisy....

DEMOCRAT BIG GOVERNMENT controlling YOUR LIFE.
By having regulations to prevent toxic chemical mismanagement, even on railway lines...
By having laws that prevent banks from playing Monopoly with your money...
By wanting protections in meat plants to prevent fecal matter from getting in your food...

BUT IT ISN'T DEMS demanding that someone carry a baby to term even when that child has died in the womb or is not able to live when the embryo has landed in a Fallopian tube.

IT ISN'T DEMS demanding that YOUR CHILDREN be deprived of a TRUTHFUL education.

IT ISN'T DEMS telling you who you can and can't love and/or marry.

IT ISN'T DEMS telling you that you don't know who you are, but THE MAGAs are glad to tell you.



The "Big Government" programs that WORK actually PUT PEOPLE to work, like the infrastructure bill.


ALL PEOPLE ARE CREATED EQUAL, different, but equal.

[Rebl2]

11. Fine with me

[SheltieLover]

12. LOL

[wnylib]

22. Or treatment for prostate cancer or testicular cancer.

Shouldn't they wait to see if it is a serious enough condition to treat it, like if it spreads beyond its place of origin? Check with a panel of women politicians first.

[SheltieLover]

23. Or just deny all healthcare for those conditions, just for the hell of it

This whole movement against women's rights is infuriating!

Not saying I want men to be denied care, just trying to draw a parallel.

This is likely a more apt comparison because , similar to pregnancy, these conditions have a great potential to alter or end the person's life. Like a nonviable pregnancy.

[Joinfortmill]

14. 👍

[Karadeniz]

15. The brain is not the seat of ththe soul. The soul is separate.

[Maru Kitteh]

28. I love it when people are so damn sure of things like that.

I find it funny.

I don't believe in any divinity but I guess we should be praying to you?

[Karadeniz]

29. As a teenager, I had an unexplained, unsought out of body experience. "I" consisted of soul and

mind. The mind could be sent away to see what was going on, but it could return to the soul...in the way a blind from birth woman saw and heard what was going on during a surgery, substantiated later.

There are a lot of usually unexplained things that involve mind travel. For those who've had the experience, explanations to others are usually a waste of time.

[Maru Kitteh]

30. Oh I know it is. As a grown person, I have had scads of patients in hallucinations.

Most of them are unable to either recognize or accept it as such. Usually the inability to understand it as a hallucination is due to brain disease or injury. Those who are not suffering injury or disease have varied reasons to hold on to their beliefs to include religiosity or coping mechanisms or whatever. Nothing wrong with that, carry on - as long one understands that they have the burden of real evidence for extraordinary claims based on beliefs or wishy thinking. That's all.

Discussions about whatever one considers a "soul" or some version thereof fall in the category of musings, feelings, and beliefs.

[Karadeniz]

31. There is no evidence of an experience such as mine, except that I find pieces of it in accounts of

other people's near death experiences. I was 17, not on drugs, not ill.
Most people try to find a material world explanation... A vivid dream, which is preposterous because my experience had nothing whatsoever to do with elements I would have encountered in my life. This is why I don't share the experience.

[Ilsa]

16. A lawyer? How about retirees, farmers,

ranchers, Joe the Plumber, religious leaders of a different religion from the patient, retired military, etc? There seems to be no prerequisite education for practicing medicine.

[maxrandb]

17. If there is a God

These anti-abortion fucksticks would develop a teratoma tumor on their testicles that registers a heartbeat on an ultrasound