Serious question: How many barrels of oil will it take to extract the 600 mill barrels from Willow?

[Rustynaerduwell]

And how long will it take?

[CrispyQ]

1. And how much destruction of the environment & how do you put a price tag on that? -nt

[Demsrule86]

2. Those leases were signed years ago and Biden lost in court. He got the best deal possible.

And we are not close to running this country on renewables...face facts. Look it up if you don't believe me.

[Phoenix61]

3. Trying to confuse them with facts you are. nt

[Delphinus]

4. ...

[Demsrule86]

10. True that...like it or not, we are not ready to run this country on renewables...maybe if some

had not sabotaged Gore, we would be further along. Anyone who truly gives a shit about the environment would crawl across broken glass to vote for the Democrat.

[former9thward]

12. When were the leases signed?

[Demsrule86]

13. Google is your friend...not Biden.

[former9thward]

14. You brought up Gore.

[maxsolomon]

17. 1990s.

That's the closest date I could find in a minute of searching.

So, Bush I, Clinton, or Bush II.

[BumRushDaShow]

23. 1999

March 13, 2023 10:17 PM EDT Last Updated 3 days ago
Analysis: Legal challenges could delay Alaska's Willow oil project


By Clark Mindock


WASHINGTON, March 13 (Reuters) - The oil industry on Monday cheered the U.S. government's greenlighting of ConocoPhillips' multibillion-dollar oil drilling project in Alaska's Arctic, but court challenges could mire the plans in further delays.

President Joe Biden's administration approved a trimmed-down version of the $7 billion Willow project on federal lands in a pristine area on Alaska's north coast. Biden has been trying to balance his goal of decarbonizing the U.S. economy by 2050 as Russia's war in Ukraine raises worries about global energy security.

ConocoPhillips (COP.N) has held the leases in the National Petroleum Reserve-Alaska since 1999. Former President Donald Trump's administration approved the project in 2020. But Alaska District Court Judge Sharon Gleason blocked it a year later arguing its environmental impact analysis was flawed.

"We have some serious questions about whether this decision actually complies with the court's order from August 2021," said Bridget Psarianos, senior staff attorney at Trustees for Alaska. "We'll be looking closely at how (Interior's) Bureau of Land Management (BLM) is considering alternatives and what its final approvals are." Judge Gleason had ruled that Trump's Interior Department failed to include projections for greenhouse gas emissions from foreign consumption of Willow's oil and also failed to analyze alternatives to the project.]

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https://www.reuters.com/legal/legal-challenges-could-delay-alaskas-willow-oil-project-2023-03-13/

[womanofthehills]

21. Wind energy is coming along fast in NM & other western states

Work beginning this year - a 3500 MW wind farm in NM by Pattern Industries - called Sun Zia. (For reference - the average nuclear reactor produces around 900 MW or less). - so this is huge with a low price to build of 8 billion.

Another wind farm in NM - Western Spirit - has 90 ft transmission lines cutting my land diagonally- so I follow Sun Zia big time. We put up a big fight in my town - so Sun Zia is taking their 125 foot tall transmission lines south of town.

Problem is people around all these projects get screwed- oil & wind

The Permian Basin in south western NM & Texas has messed with New Mexico’s air quality - ozone levels keep increasing so some days you can’t see the mountains.

[CrispyQ]

5. I know all that & I'm not stupid.

Just chalking it up to another of a long list of human bad decisions that have put us on an almost irreversible course of the destruction of our habitat to the point it will no longer sustain us. There was a recent story that the Arctic probably reached its tipping point in 2007.

[W_HAMILTON]

6. Sure would have been nice to have the climate change guy win in 2000, huh?

I assume you include short-sighted, ignorant decisions from the Green Party types on the left in your "long list of human bad decisions that have put us on an almost irreversible course of the destruction of our habitat..."

[CrispyQ]

8. Sure.

They stand with the dems who fell for the "greed is good" guy.

[W_HAMILTON]

9. Huh?

[Demsrule86]

11. It was done under a GOP president Bush I think...but not sure.

[inthewind21]

7. Mind boggling

isn't it? The ability to find almost infinite information yet if it's not on youtube, twitter, fb, instagram, snapchat or tic toc apparently it can't be found.

[CrispyQ]

15. Mind boggling the lack of reading comprehension in this thread.

I didn't mention the bill, the leases, or anything to do with the arctic & yet so much scolding because I expressed concern over the destruction of our environment. Whatthefuckever.

[womanofthehills]

20. Earth Justice disagrees with you

“Biden Administration Says Yes to the Willow Project. We’ll See Them in Court.”

The Biden administration had full legal authority to reject it.

In 2021, we represented environmental groups who sued the Biden administration to halt the project, which originated during the Trump administration.
A federal court sided with us, finding that the permits glossed over Willow’s global climate impact and threatened imperiled polar bears. The court kicked the project back to the Biden administration to review.
The Biden administration had the authority to deny or substantially reduce the footprint of the project. Instead, it refused to consider any alternatives that would meaningfully reduce downstream emissions or eliminate infrastructure in the most sensitive areas.
By continuing to advance the Willow Project, the administration is severely undercutting its own stated climate goals. https://earthjustice.org/brief/2023/biden-administration-says-yes-to-the-willow-project-but-the-fight-is-just-heating-up

[maxsolomon]

16. I'm going to surmise it's less than 600 million barrels of oil.

How much oil does it take to mine a ton of Lithium? Everything has an environmental cost.

[ProfessorGAC]

18. It's Only 600 Million Bbl?

The US uses nearly 20 million barrels each day.
This is 31 days worth of oil!
The financials make sense to pursue this?

[Celerity]

19. 'First oil' will not come until at least 2029 and that is likely delayed now as there are at least 2

new lawsuits that have been filed.

I keep seeing some posters using the (to paraphrase) 'Willow will keep the gas price low so Biden wins in 2024' argument.

That positing is invalid.

That 2029 date will also be kicked back (potentially for years) if there are a series of lengthy lawsuits (see below).

https://static.conocophillips.com/files/resources/2021-market-update-06302021.pdf

page 25



Also, the regional protections aren’t set in stone yet either.

On Monday, Biden sent a memo to Interior Secretary Deb Haaland that withdraws some of the areas from potential leasing, but there will still be a public comment period for some of those protections, and they could be overturned.

https://www.doi.gov/pressreleases/biden-harris-administration-announces-sweeping-protections-16-million-acres-land-and

also

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/13/climate/willow-biden-oil-climate.html

Earthjustice, an environmental group, said it would sue to stop the project as soon as Wednesday and expects to be joined by several other organizations.

Environmental groups argued that the administration had the legal authority to deny ConocoPhillips a permit and should have done so based on a federal environmental review that found “substantial concerns” about the project’s impact on the climate, the danger it poses to freshwater sources and the way it threatens migratory birds, caribou, whales and other animals that inhabit the region.

and now


‘Carbon bomb’: What is the Willow project and why is Joe Biden being sued for it?

https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/03/14/biden-administration-approves-alaskas-willow-oil-project-sparking-anger-from-environmental

By Euronews with AP • Updated: 16/03/2023 - 12:53

Environmental groups have filed two lawsuits in an attempt to block the massive Willow oil and gas project in Alaska. On Monday, the United States approved the major oil-drilling project on Alaska’s petroleum-rich North Slope.

The ConocoPhillips Alaska’s Willow project will produce an estimated 160,000 barrels of oil per day over the next 30 years. But environmental and indigenous groups are suing the federal government, arguing the project would breach the country's environmental commitments.

"We will not give up protecting the Arctic today, tomorrow, or ever," said a spokesperson for Sovereign Iñupiat for a Living Arctic, one of the groups launching an appeal.

Burning the oil produced by Willow will produce 260 million tons of carbon dioxide, equal to the annual output of 66 American coal plants.

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[hunter]

22. Assuming you are a minimally affluent U.S. American...

... what's your own fossil fueled environmental footprint?

How would you cope if fossil fuels were banned?

As a sometimes affluent U.S. American, and as someone who burned a lot of oil in my youth on very frivolous pursuits, I recognize my own hypocrisy.

The people with the smallest environmental footprints in this world don't have much, if anything, in "disposable income", live in cities, eat mostly vegan diets and don't own cars.

How about you?