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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWould you prefer TikTok to be owned by Byte Dance, a Chinese company, or Elon Musk?
Not an entirely hypothetical question. Congress and the Biden Administration are moving towards an enforced sale of TikTok to an American company, or closing it down. This is what it's all about, money - not national security. The likes of Microsoft, Walmart, Oracle are very interested in owning TikTok. Facebook and Google would prefer a ban; And Trump, if he got the opportunity, would like to hear from Musk.
Byte Dance, the current owner, would like to keep its revenue stream, thank you very much. It has proposed keeping American data in America.
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Under the proposal, called Project Texas, TikTok would remain owned by ByteDance. But it would take a number of steps that it said would prevent the Chinese government from having access to data on U.S. users and offer the U.S. government oversight of the platform. Some of those steps have been put in place since October.
The company has proposed putting all U.S. user data into domestic servers owned and operated by Oracle, the American software giant. The data would not be allowed to be transferred outside the United States, nor would it be accessible to ByteDance or TikTok employees outside the country.
The program proposes having CFIUS conduct regular audits of the new data system and creating a new unit, TikTok U.S. Data Security, with 2,500 engineers, security experts, and trust and safety officials, all based in the United States, who have access to TikToks U.S. user data for business functions. The unit would report to a three-member board assigned by CFIUS. In addition, TikToks source code, which offers insight into why certain videos are shown in users feeds, would be reviewed by Oracle and a third-party inspector.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/26/technology/tiktok-bytedance-data-security.html
The case against TikTok is that Byte Dance is a Chinese company. That's it. Not misconduct; Not meddling; Not disinformation; Not Cambridge Analytical style scams - bare nationality. There is a risk - a hypothetical risk - that the CCP could demand information on Americans for reasons of 'National Security'. Not that the Chinese Communists have done so (yet), only that that a Chinese company would be powerless to resist such a request. OK. You might as well ban Chinese companies doing business in America. All of them.
American data could be isolated on American servers overseen by the NSA if necessary. But that it not what this is about. Follow the money. All sorts of U.S. companies would love to get their paws on the revenue and influence that TiKTok could buy them. Would I like to see TikTok owned by Walmart? The hell I would.
themaguffin
(3,832 posts)I work in digital marketing. For years, in search engine marketing. Our campaigns in Google in China (our ad campaigns targeting Chinese users) were useless because of China's stranglehold on Google. So we had campaigns with Baidu, the China owned "Google."
As always, there's a China version... a combination of IP theft and authoritarian action on outside companies.
On this, I saw fuck China. Fuck Tiktok as it currently exists.
The concerns over security are legitimate. This author can go fuck him or herself with the arrogant quotation marks.
Comparing these concerns to traditional "misconduct" to then say "what misconduct" is disingenuous at best.
On a side note, in recent years, I would get a message from my son's schools of the issues at school due to TikTok challenges.
How many of these challenges occur in China?
Now, many times people bring up the issues with American owned social media or other companies. Yep, there are tons of issues. Tons.
With that out of the way, none of that changes the dynamics of TikTok and China.
speak easy
(9,345 posts)Yes. It's all about $$$.
themaguffin
(3,832 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)speak easy
(9,345 posts)It will be sold to an American company looking for big bucks and clout.
TikTok is a money machine. U.S. companies, including RW U.S. companies, want in. That is what this is all about. Can anyone seriously suggest that everyone would be talking National Security if TikTok was losing money?
womanofthehills
(8,807 posts)As far as I can tell. The kids will revolt if its taken down.
malaise
(269,278 posts)TicToc is superior and young folks love it. That is the big problem as I understand it.
Igel
(35,387 posts)The claim is that it could use information to track people and monitor their online and on-ground behavior.
"No, we couldn't!"
Then there was the claim that it did just that. Journalists that were hostile to TikTok.
"No, we can't do that. And we wouldn't do that!"
Except that when push came to shove and they had no choice but to fess up, they said that a few bad apples had done precisely that.
"But we'd *never* do that for anybody else. It's against policy." Until it isn't; the data's collected and allegedly kept off of PRC territory. But it's data in a company that's easily controlled by the CCP. We're expected to accept that data can't be transferred with a straight face; and that a CEO or all lower-down employees would defy the CCP's authority and militia and say "no" if asked to transfer or analyze data. Or even not admit the truth--not that ByteDance would ever dissemble when it came to their abilities to track and monitor somebody, say, journalists.
Ah, and follow the money. Please, lets have money flow to the CCP. They can use it to reinforce security in Hong Kong and among the Uighurs, or maybe beef up their military or social credit system.
speak easy
(9,345 posts)And there you have it. Would anyone be talking National Security if TikTok was losing money?
themaguffin
(3,832 posts)speak easy
(9,345 posts)Or WeChat for that matter? If it is not because TikTok is a popular pot of gold, what is it?
themaguffin
(3,832 posts)speak easy
(9,345 posts)why hasn't that been banned? A: Because there is no way to sell if off to an American buyer.
themaguffin
(3,832 posts)themaguffin
(3,832 posts)Initech
(100,136 posts)We've seen what a fine mess Elon created with Twitter.
Oneironaut
(5,541 posts)China is evil and autocratic. If they control social media, they do things like banning Muslims and LGBT people in all countries.
speak easy
(9,345 posts)Yeah I know this is a whatabout - but he bans the things he cannot easily control.
Wounded Bear
(58,773 posts)speak easy
(9,345 posts)That's not hypothetical, it's not half a dozen, it's the full monty.
Wounded Bear
(58,773 posts)he's a dyed in the wool RWer.