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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI think people are going to be disappointed with what happens....
I'm seeing such over the top predictions and hopes that, between the relative lowness of the likely charges (compared to the Federal investigation) and the procedural blandness of the indictment process, its going to be very hard to meet expectations.
Elessar Zappa
(13,977 posts)hes being held accountable in some way. I do think well see more serious charges from the DOJ in the future.
Permanut
(5,602 posts)I hear your skepticism, brooklynite. Mango Mussolini has cheated and grifted his way through life; no reason to belleve justice will ever be done.
brooklynite
(94,520 posts)I'm comfortable with the criminal justice process however it plays out. But since I'm interested in JUSTICE and not VENGEANCE, I'm not imaging handcuffs, perp walks, orange jumpsuits, etc.
hlthe2b
(102,239 posts)Perp walks and handcuffs are not always the protocol. But arrest (even if presenting voluntarily at a designated place/time), fingerprints, and mugshots ARE, followed by arraignment before a judge who will decide how to proceed. Anyone else in that situation who had shown a perchance for ignoring court orders, speaking publicly in a manner that puts others at risk and inflames others prone to violence would get a gag order. Anyone else who was considered a flight risk would have additional measures and orders placed on their travel. Equal justice under the law.
And to the extent that anything changes from standard protocol, it damn well needs to be that necessary for security--to court staff, jury members (who MUST be kept anonymous) and to accommodate the secret service.
But as to the rest, I hold my highest hopes for conviction from the DOJ cases. I believe Willis has the goods, but a lot of increasing obstacles in her way. I will look forward to reading the charging documents from NYC, but sans a surprise not yet really discussed as yet to elevate the case to felony status, I have concerns--less perhaps with a conviction than with it being turned on its head to his advantage.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)CrispyQ
(36,461 posts)To paraphrase another president who wasn't held accountable.
After Fitzmas I'm embarrassed I got my hopes high for Mueller.
PatSeg
(47,419 posts)I clearly remember your reaction, as it mirrored my own.
I am cautiously optimistic, but prepared to be disappointed.
Emile
(22,712 posts)Now it's we're going to be disappointed. Seriously. . .
BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)And of course the perennial message: Im better than all of you.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)"Virtue signaling"?
Interesting choice of words.
brooklynite
(94,520 posts)RobinA
(9,888 posts)is a whole lot of not much is virtual signalling? I would call it reality signaling.
BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Malcolm X.
BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)LuckyCharms
(17,425 posts)I'm not convinced yet the charge(s) will just be related to Stormy Daniels.
Could be wrong though. We'll see.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,601 posts)Bragg will break the ice with whatever he comes up with, but its the Feds and GA that have the real meaty indictments pending.
Silent3
(15,210 posts)
which hopefully sets a precedent and
eases the way for the far serious charges which (in a just world, a questionable assumption) which should be coming.
niyad
(113,284 posts)The sparkling wine will, no doubt, remain unopened.
my candy bar bought on election day 2016 to celebrate the first woman President.
roxybear
(19 posts)I'm not expecting much. TFG has done so much wrong but nothing ever happens to him. He always gets away with it. I can't believe that now will be any different. It's so frustrating.
liberalmediaaddict
(766 posts)is Trump being barred from ever holding elected office again.
The Senate Republicans blew their chanxe to do that during the 2nd impeachment trial. And now here we are.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)They are all traitors who wanted to overturn a valid election the second time. They did exactly what they wanted to do.
Casady1
(2,133 posts)and unfortunately help him.
flying rabbit
(4,632 posts)is a big deal. The first one is the hardest.
betsuni
(25,486 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Remember that?
flying rabbit
(4,632 posts)No ex president has ever been indicted. That is a pretty big deal. There are a lot of indictments teed up after the first one. I don't know where this is all going to end up, but we will be going into new territory.
emulatorloo
(44,120 posts)But nonetheless if Trump is indicted this it will be a big deal.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)If all this Tuesday titillation is true, I don't think it's going to end the way many here think.
IF this was leaked out of Bragg's office, intentionally, accidentally, or with malice aforethought, something is wrong there. No excuse for that kind of leak.
honest.abe
(8,678 posts)This has never happened before. Its a huge f'king deal.
CousinIT
(9,241 posts)because...ratings. But it will likely be just WAY too little WAY too late. So tiresome. The time for justice against this lifelong criminal has long since passed. It's never too late but..his ass should have been in prison a LONG time ago. If he were anyone else, he would be.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217738111
Hekate
(90,674 posts)agingdem
(7,849 posts)a Trump hush money indictment for violating election laws is not a reckoning for January 6...I want that sonofabitch charged with sedition/treason/obstruction of justice...
Chainfire
(17,536 posts)However, I will not be a bit surprised. My expectations of justice for the rich and powerful has been greatly diminished over the years.
brettdale
(12,381 posts)There is still Georgia, and Jan 6th too look forward too and being
indicted for Stormy will send him into a rage.
betsuni
(25,486 posts)in their lives, anyone else telling them what to do, having to do things they don't want to do. Especially Trump. Even if charges aren't serious, he'll be a furious toddler from now on.
Claustrum
(4,845 posts)his hand size and the ketchups on the wall proved it.
Kaleva
(36,298 posts)Trump will be Epsteined
This is the final nail in the coffin for the country they love
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)Especially in this case. True accountability is NOT vengeance. Let him be treated the same way ordinary citizens are treated when they commit these crimes. Let it be publicized fully. I have no confidence there will be any true accountability for any of his heinous crimes.
Shanti Shanti Shanti
(12,047 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)However small and unexciting the day/charges SHOULD be, the guy has a fundraising grift to run thats fueled by MAGA grievance.
I bet hell stand outside and rant for a loooonnnggg time before he turns himself in. Hes going to provoke a SPECTACLE walking into the DAs office. Pretty sure hell even *demand* handcuffs.
Its going to be a shitshow
SomedayKindaLove
(529 posts)On his way out of town he will shoot someone on 5th Avenue. Hell dash to Mar-a-Lago to stash some pens and stationary he swiped from the DAs office. and then flee to Waco and tell everyone I told you so before he does his ear floss dance to Cant Touch This.
So yeah, pretty much the usual.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)😂
dembotoz
(16,802 posts)i did have my hopes up
JustAnotherGen
(31,818 posts)A known liar.
JuJuChen
(2,215 posts)ForgedCrank
(1,779 posts)the entire thing to be a bit of a stretch overall.
I'm holding out for the possibility that I don't know all the details. But as things stand with the information that I know, it seems the whole thing is built on somewhat shaky ground. I know that'll make me even more unpopular than I already am, but I try to look at all this stuff through a realistic lens as much as I can.
News Junkie
(312 posts)perp walk, fingerprinting, mug shot, matching orange jump suit. I don't believe the theatircs will be on display
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...it's historical, and represents the tip of accountability for Trump. It's not the totality of accountability, and portends other prosecutions for crimes apparently more consequential.
What's the actual point in downplaying this? This is wanton criminality by a national leader who views himself involiable in the face of the law. It's a national disgrace, and it's Al Capone nailed on tax evasion.
dsc
(52,160 posts)but I do find the desire for justice being characterized as vengeance to be over the top. There are people are serving decades in jail for pot dealing. There are people who spent years in Rikers for stealing a backpack. It isn't too much to ask that someone who has stolen from the public by not paying taxes maybe, just maybe, spend a day or two in jail.