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Mosby

(16,390 posts)
Mon Mar 20, 2023, 04:06 PM Mar 2023

That Plum Job Listing May Just Be a Ghost

A mystery permeates the job market: You apply for a job and hear nothing, but the ad stays online for months. If you inquire, the company tells you it isn’t really hiring.

Not all job ads are attached to actual jobs, it turns out. The labor market remains robust, with 10.8 million job openings in January, according to the Labor Department. At the same time, companies are feeling budgetary strains and some are pulling back on hiring. Though businesses are keeping job postings up, many roles aren’t being filled, recruiters say.

Hiring managers acknowledge as much. In a survey of more than 1,000 hiring managers last summer, 27% reported having job postings up for more than four months. Among those who said they advertised job postings that they weren’t actively trying to fill, close to half said they kept the ads up to give the impression the company was growing, according to Clarify Capital, a small-business-loan provider behind the study. One-third of the managers who said they advertised jobs they weren’t trying to fill said they kept the listings up to placate overworked employees.

Other reasons for keeping jobs up, the hiring managers said: Stocking a pool of ready applicants if an employee quits, or just in case an “irresistible” candidate applied.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/that-plum-job-listing-may-just-be-a-ghost-3aafc794

I think this might be a gift link, I don't have a WSJ subscription (and never will) so I hope it works for you.

This article describes everything I have been experiencing in my current job search. Indeed, Glassdoor, Monster filter my job searches (unless I log out) and when I want to apply, many times I have to go to the employers site, who use 3rd party HR apps where I have to create an account, and often spend hours taking tests. Most of the time I never hear from anyone. One of the last interviews I did was about a year ago, I was offered a mgmt job, but it was recinded because I tested positive for THC.

One company in particular I want to mention is Petsmart. Over a nearly 20 years span, I have applied for various positions, all of which I was qualified for but I have never once received a call or email. Not once. I gave up on them.

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That Plum Job Listing May Just Be a Ghost (Original Post) Mosby Mar 2023 OP
I applied for my job 4 times before getting a reply jcgoldie Mar 2023 #1
Geez! ProfessorGAC Mar 2023 #3
Interesting. I saw a lot of ghost job listings when I was trying to get a federal government job Victor_c3 Mar 2023 #2
"Pipeline reqs" are a thing now Shermann Mar 2023 #4
Thanks for that, very informative. Mosby Mar 2023 #5
The hospitals around here do that a lot. hippywife Mar 2023 #6
Who exactly are they trying to deceive? nt Shermann Mar 2023 #7
They have staffing regulations... hippywife Mar 2023 #8
I think the authors missed at least one factor. Mosby Mar 2023 #9

jcgoldie

(11,656 posts)
1. I applied for my job 4 times before getting a reply
Mon Mar 20, 2023, 04:16 PM
Mar 2023

I was driving 35 miles both ways to teach HS math here in Illinois. The HS I attended less than 10 minutes from my house posted openings again and again and I would send an email application as the job postings required. No reply. No reply. No reply over the course of 5 years. Finally my buddy who worked in the district as an administrator called me said "Hey why don't you apply for that math job they can't find anyone. " I told him my resume must be toxic because they never even bother to reply to me despite 15 years experience. He said, send me your resume I'll get you an interview tomorrow. Then a couple hours later he texted me back said "Hey are you going to email me your resume or not?" I already did. Long story short, my email domain went straight to the junk file for the school district's g-mail accounts. I got the interview and hired on the spot the next day. I had been applying for a job for 5 years and no-one ever even read it because it went straight to their spam folders.

ProfessorGAC

(65,289 posts)
3. Geez!
Mon Mar 20, 2023, 04:25 PM
Mar 2023

Applications went straight to junk?
That's pretty incompetent. Glad things worked out for you.
Here's my quick school story. I started subbing math & science after I retired. A district really convenient to where we live called me after getting my name off the active county list. Not sure why I didn't think of them myself.
Anyway, they ask me to go to their website and fill out the online application.
I click the link to their 3rd party provider and fill it out. No big issues & done.
Next day I get a call from the 3rd party vendor asking why I filled out this application. They do not service any districts in Illinois!
The link to their website sent me to a company they don't work with. I called the district & told them to forget it.
They called me & I'm supposed to figure it out? A hard no.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
2. Interesting. I saw a lot of ghost job listings when I was trying to get a federal government job
Mon Mar 20, 2023, 04:23 PM
Mar 2023

It was super frustrating. I would spend a decent amount of time tailoring my resumix resume to ensure that I had all the key words from the job description included somewhere in my resume (in order to make sure you make it past the bot that pre-screens all resumes before a person sees them), click submit, then hear nothing back. I spent two months applying to 60-100 jobs and I only heard back from two of them - and I get a huge veteran hiring preference being a disabled veteran and all which is supposed to make it easier for vets to get jobs with the federal government.

As an aside to your THC comment, I never once had to take a drug test when I worked for the federal government as a civilian. I was drug tested all the time in the military and, when I first got out, I was drug tested all the time when I worked as a manger for Amazon putting books in boxes. I got a job working at the US Mint and handled countless millions of dollars worth of precious metal on a given day and I was never once drug tested. Go figure.

Shermann

(7,458 posts)
4. "Pipeline reqs" are a thing now
Mon Mar 20, 2023, 04:25 PM
Mar 2023

They are for building a pipeline of candidates to save for a rainy day.



This is a bit different from your example where they are "fishing" for some dream candidate. In both scenarios they aren't really advertising real opportunities in good faith.

Mosby

(16,390 posts)
5. Thanks for that, very informative.
Mon Mar 20, 2023, 04:44 PM
Mar 2023

I gave up on Gov jobs years ago because I realized they were required to post ads for jobs where the internal cadidate had already been chosen.

hippywife

(22,767 posts)
6. The hospitals around here do that a lot.
Mon Mar 20, 2023, 04:55 PM
Mar 2023

Not sure if true or not, but I was told their reasoning is because of staffing regs: if they are short staffed, they have to be at least looking like they're trying to hire, even if not actively hiring. I finally just gave up.

hippywife

(22,767 posts)
8. They have staffing regulations...
Mon Mar 20, 2023, 05:45 PM
Mar 2023

for nursing staff, at least. Both state and federal, maybe? As far as ancillary staff? I dunno.

This was also probably 10-12 years ago, as well. Not sure what they're doing now there's a severe shortage of nursing staff everywhere.

Mosby

(16,390 posts)
9. I think the authors missed at least one factor.
Mon Mar 20, 2023, 09:34 PM
Mar 2023

HR depts. have a budget based on expenses like payroll, advertising, legal. If they don't use that budget, they could lose it so there is a built in incentive to run bs ads continuously until the budget is exceeded.

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