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Nevilledog

(51,237 posts)
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 02:11 AM Mar 2023

Bush Is 'a Liar' Who Misrepresented Intel to Sell the Iraq Invasion, Two Former CIA Officials Say.

https://www.businessinsider.com/george-bush-liar-cia-mohammed-atta-prague-911-iraq-invasion-2023-3

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https://archive.is/JTeTz

Two former CIA officials spoke to Insider before the 20th anniversary of the US invasion of Iraq. They gave a firsthand account of the George W. Bush administration's attempts to misrepresent intelligence and assert a connection between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda. In fact, the evidence assembled by the CIA suggested that no such connection existed.

One of these false connections was a supposed meeting that had occurred between Mohamed Atta, the chief 9/11 hijacker, and Iraqi intelligence agents in Prague. In December 2001, then-Vice President Dick Cheney went on "Meet the Press" and falsely claimed that the meeting was "pretty well confirmed." A 2003 CIA cable states that "not one" official within the US government had evidence that the Prague meeting actually happened. Nevertheless, it became a key part of the administration's public case for launching the Iraq invasion on March 20, 2003, a conflict that would cost an estimated 300,000 lives.

The officials' combined years of service at CIA totals up to more than four decades. Their identities are known to Insider, and are referred to below by pseudonyms due to the sensitivity of their positions. Their discussion has been edited for brevity.

Bush, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Lewis Libby, and John McLaughlin did not immediately reply to requests for comment.


Alice: Nobody in Washington comes out and calls Bush a liar. Everybody is too polite. They use some other term for what he did. But he lied. I want to be clear about what I mean by that. He knew what he was saying was not true. He took judgements from the intelligence community that were very uncertain, judgements that we put out there with very clear caveats — "we believe Iraq is continuing its nuclear program, but we have a low degree of certainty, blah blah blah" — he would just come out and state those things as fact. He did this over and over again. Just like Cheney saying that Mohamed Atta met with Iraqi intelligence in Prague, as a fact. When the truth was, there was a great deal of doubt about it. It was our job at CIA to stand fast, to keep those ridiculous notions under control. And we tried. But there was only so much we could do. The White House wanted a justification for the invasion. The closest they came was this alleged, and apparently nonexistent, help that Iraq gave al-Qaeda [via Atta] in bringing about the attacks. So they tried to trace any kind of contacts between al-Qaeda and Iraq.

Bob: Meanwhile, our Iraqi analysts were saying, quite truthfully, that al-Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's regime were so far apart in their ideologies — Saddam was a pure secularist, al-Qaeda was a messianic vision of a caliphate and self-consciously Islamic, at least purportedly. That is like cats and dogs, you can't mix those. Of course, Saddam knew al-Qaeda was in his country. He knew everything that happened in his country. As a matter of simply staying in power he had to know. So it's perfectly natural that he would know who was al-Qaeda and what they were up to and that kind of thing. But this was not a working relationship. It was about surveillance.

Alice: Today, people say that Bush was looking to justify the invasion of Iraq. He wasn't. What he was looking for is something different — selling points. The decision to invade had already been made, and there was not any intelligence that was going to change their opinion. So this was not an effort to justify the war. It was an effort to sell the war publicly. That's an important distinction. The Bush administration was very explicit about their Iraq obsession almost immediately when they took power.

Bob: There was a group of analysts who were looking at the hijackers. Many of us were Russia analysts — for them, the Arab field was totally new. Pretty soon it became clear that the administration was focused on this alleged meeting between Atta and Iraqi intelligence in Prague. We couldn't substantiate it. The hope was expressed pretty clearly to us, early on, that we could find something. The White House was obsessed with finding any evidence at all.

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Wow! Really!?!?!? RockRaven Mar 2023 #1
2002 is when I started coming here, not with this moniker Hugh_Lebowski Mar 2023 #3
+1 2naSalit Mar 2023 #13
This. crickets Mar 2023 #40
Obama told us we needed to "look forward" Skittles Mar 2023 #8
+1 2naSalit Mar 2023 #14
I know that Obama was damned if he did and damned if he didn't Skittles Mar 2023 #17
I thought it was, "now is not the time to point fingers". nt Hotler Mar 2023 #18
he may have said that too Skittles Mar 2023 #26
When Nancy said it was "off the table" ecstatic Mar 2023 #45
once again Skittles Mar 2023 #46
I am sure he did lie...they are all liars. But I was heartened yesterday when I saw women Demsrule86 Mar 2023 #16
Bush Convicted of War Crimes in Absentia (2012) diva77 Mar 2023 #2
+1 2naSalit Mar 2023 #15
Every person with critical thinking skills knew this 20 years ago! madaboutharry Mar 2023 #4
This Deminpenn Mar 2023 #42
Stovepiping, Baby Brother Buzz Mar 2023 #5
K&R Duppers Mar 2023 #6
....cost an estimated 300,000 lives" Skittles Mar 2023 #7
US dropped depleted uranium bombs on Bagdad, a city with over 50% women and children. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #20
Thank you Delphinus Mar 2023 #9
I'll never forget ABC interview with soldiers who all thought the invasion was payback for 9/11 wishstar Mar 2023 #10
The most monstrous Big Crime of all is committing an illegal war and invasion. NBachers Mar 2023 #11
To this day I have never heard an evangelical 303squadron Mar 2023 #12
It took people two decades to figure this out? Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #19
Yeah, but we were just dirty fucking hippies gratuitous Mar 2023 #22
I was absolutely horrified at the time. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #23
I had exactly the same reaction. nt Crunchy Frog Mar 2023 #30
Exactly This Deep State Witch Mar 2023 #21
so did Tony Blair, as well Celerity Mar 2023 #24
Sample. moondust Mar 2023 #25
Pains me to reread these RussBLib Mar 2023 #34
YW moondust Mar 2023 #35
That last quote really sums up the double talk the Bush administration resorted to Buckeyeblue Mar 2023 #43
Another thing to add to the "No Shit, Sherlock" file. GoCubsGo Mar 2023 #27
And he's still not behind bars. bif Mar 2023 #28
Duh Takket Mar 2023 #29
He's a war criminal malaise Mar 2023 #31
Well Yeah. TY Cha Mar 2023 #32
You don't say! sakabatou Mar 2023 #33
Gee "Bob" and "Alice",... LudwigPastorius Mar 2023 #36
Read a book by Richard Clarke many years Tree Lady Mar 2023 #37
NSS! Dana Milbank has entire section in his book, "The Destructionists" about niyad Mar 2023 #38
Saddam threatened my Daddy. sarcasmo Mar 2023 #39
The sickening part is Dirty Socialist Mar 2023 #41
War crimes! Emile Mar 2023 #44

RockRaven

(15,049 posts)
1. Wow! Really!?!?!?
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 02:37 AM
Mar 2023

If only somebody had suspected this twenty years ago and said something! Too bad nobody did anything of the sort back then!!!

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
3. 2002 is when I started coming here, not with this moniker
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 02:54 AM
Mar 2023

It was pretty much all said back then by major media organizations. You just had to actually pay attention. You know, like, by coming to DU.

What was REALLY infuriating was the way they twisted Hans Blix's weapons inspection reports, which were like ... public reports. I mean anyone could read what his group was saying about the degree of Iraq's cooperation, which was really quite high, and the fact that they were finding NOTHING in the way of a nuclear or WMD program still in existence, and still Bush and Cheney lied about it and misrepresented it right to our faces.

Still blows me away that regime basically faced no consequences for all the blood and treasure they squandered, and all the innocent lives lost, all the refugees they created. Sickened, really

crickets

(25,987 posts)
40. This.
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 04:51 AM
Mar 2023

I can't find it now, but there was a photo of an adorable toddler girl that appeared right before the war started, with dark curly hair, and the caption was some version of please don't kill us.

It was absolutely heartbreaking.

What really angered me was the helpless feeling of watching the psych buildup from months before. One day there's a story about Sept 11 droning in the background as usual, but right afterward is a story about Iraq. *sigh*

Step one: associate two things by mentioning them together.

It was months before any action, but I knew. A bunch of assholes had decided to make a bunch of money. Yee ha.

Skittles

(153,240 posts)
17. I know that Obama was damned if he did and damned if he didn't
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 09:03 AM
Mar 2023

but - over 300,000 people dead? I bet that is, well, a conservative estimate....add in the carnage of the lives utterly ruined, including many soldiers with PTSD - the damage is really incalculable....and we ALL know what happens when people are not held accountable, ESPECIALLY war criminals

ecstatic

(32,755 posts)
45. When Nancy said it was "off the table"
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 07:09 AM
Mar 2023

most Democrats fell in line. I don't think there was enough anger on the ground to support going after bush. Now trmp was a different story...

Skittles

(153,240 posts)
46. once again
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 07:26 AM
Mar 2023

over 300, 000 deaths, and that is a conservative estimate - it was a WAR BASED ON LIES - THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN HELD ACCOUNTABLE

Demsrule86

(68,735 posts)
16. I am sure he did lie...they are all liars. But I was heartened yesterday when I saw women
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 08:09 AM
Mar 2023

walking around without the veil...allowed to go school and the bazaars back and thriving...saw it on MSNBC. American tourists going into the country without even security...amazing. I credit Obama with this outcome.

diva77

(7,671 posts)
2. Bush Convicted of War Crimes in Absentia (2012)
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 02:49 AM
Mar 2023
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2012/05/12/bush-convicted-of-war-crimes-in-absentia/

By Yvonne Ridley | May 12, 2012 | Asia Pacific, News & Analysis, US

The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission found George W. Bush guilty of war crimes in absentia for the illegal invasion of Iraq.

Kuala Lumpur — It’s official; George W Bush is a war criminal.

In what is the first ever conviction of its kind anywhere in the world, the former US President and seven key members of his administration were yesterday (Fri) found guilty of war crimes.

Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and their legal advisers Alberto Gonzales, David Addington, William Haynes, Jay Bybee and John Yoo were tried in absentia in Malaysia.

The trial held in Kuala Lumpur heard harrowing witness accounts from victims of torture who suffered at the hands of US soldiers and contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan.

They included testimony from British man Moazzam Begg, an ex-Guantanamo detainee and Iraqi woman Jameelah Abbas Hameedi who was tortured in the notorious Abu Ghraib prison.

At the end of the week-long hearing, the five-panel tribunal unanimously delivered guilty verdicts against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and their key legal advisors who were all convicted as war criminals for torture and cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment.

Full transcripts of the charges, witness statements and other relevant material will now be sent to the Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, as well as the United Nations and the Security Council.
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“We tried three times to get Bush in Canada but were thwarted by the Canadian Government, then we scared Bush out of going to Switzerland. The Spanish attempt failed because of the government there and the same happened in Germany.”
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I don't think there is a statute of limitations on war crimes -- best time to indict was when it happened, second best time is now!

madaboutharry

(40,238 posts)
4. Every person with critical thinking skills knew this 20 years ago!
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 02:57 AM
Mar 2023

It’s like the story of the hostages in Iran and the sabotaging of Carter’s reelection. It wasn’t anything new, it has been talked about for years.

I think Cheney and Bush and the other neocon’s decided they could hoodwink the country into believing a lie. And they were right.

Brother Buzz

(36,484 posts)
5. Stovepiping, Baby
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 03:23 AM
Mar 2023

Cheney was the mussel man, visiting the CIA almost daily to manipulate and cherry pick intelligence.

Skittles

(153,240 posts)
7. ....cost an estimated 300,000 lives"
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 04:03 AM
Mar 2023

people need to THINK about that before saying Duyba "looks good" in comparison to Trump

Irish_Dem

(47,552 posts)
20. US dropped depleted uranium bombs on Bagdad, a city with over 50% women and children.
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 12:07 PM
Mar 2023

It was a heinous war crime.

Delphinus

(11,845 posts)
9. Thank you
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 04:35 AM
Mar 2023

I think a lot of folks knew this and it's really good to have our senses corroborated by those who knew for sure.

wishstar

(5,272 posts)
10. I'll never forget ABC interview with soldiers who all thought the invasion was payback for 9/11
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 05:10 AM
Mar 2023

Diane Sawyer interviewed them as they were heading off to Iraq and it was so pathetic how they had fallen for the propaganda coming out of the Bush Admin. when anyone paying attention should have known that Iraq wasn't involved in the terrorism of 9/11. Even sadder when the disastrous war dragged on for years with high loss of lives and Osama Bin Laden left untouched.

303squadron

(548 posts)
12. To this day I have never heard an evangelical
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 07:37 AM
Mar 2023

offer up a prayer for the dead innocent Iraqi civilians.

The evangelicals were among the most ardent supporters of the war! Because if you can be misled from the bullshit of the bible you can be misled with any argument.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
22. Yeah, but we were just dirty fucking hippies
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 12:28 PM
Mar 2023

I remember attending a demonstration and the local newspaper hired an aircraft to fly over the downtown area to count the number of people in the streets. The lie being serviced was that the proposed invasion of Iraq was wildly and widely popular, and it was just a handful of malcontents and appeasers who objected to going after Saddam Hussein. The flyovers were to lowball and dispute the numbers organizers claimed were marching.

This despicable behavior substituted for discussion or dialog about invading Iraq, which everyone said was the best possible alternative, wouldn't cost anything, and would be over and done with in a matter of days if not hours.

Irish_Dem

(47,552 posts)
23. I was absolutely horrified at the time.
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 12:51 PM
Mar 2023

Distraught and stricken.

I could not believe we were going to murder innocent people,
including many civilians, women and children for totally bogus reasons.

The casual indifference of fellow Americans was so abhorrent and unbelievable to me.

Like my daughter says, Mom, you are not from this planet.
The Iraqi invasion is a good example of why I don't fit in.

Deep State Witch

(10,470 posts)
21. Exactly This
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 12:26 PM
Mar 2023

There was a lot of pushback from the CIA and NSA on the proposed Iraq invasion. NSA's director at the time (Hayden, I believe), actually solicited comments from Agency employees regarding their opinions. Very few of them were favorable.

Of course, we know what happened to CIA people that objected, like Valerie Plame.

Celerity

(43,632 posts)
24. so did Tony Blair, as well
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 01:06 PM
Mar 2023
Tony Blair should face war crimes tribunal over Iraq war, says Hans Blix

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/tony-blair-should-face-war-crimes-tribunal-over-iraq-war-says-hans-blix-141708751.html

This week marks the 20th anniversary since the beginning of the Iraq War - one of the most controversial conflicts in modern times. On 20 March 2003, the US launched its first airstrikes on the Gulf state - lighting up the skies above Baghdad with an ultra-aggressive "shock and awe" strategy.

Soon after a coalition of American, British, Australian and Polish soldiers marched over the border from Kuwait to execute “Operation Iraqi Freedom”.

The US-led coalition invaded largely on the premise of alleged weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) held by Saddam Hussein’s regime, but none were found.

Revelations of faulty intelligence, and in some cases sheer dishonesty, used to justify the eight-year conflict, left many in the West very angry that their countries had been dragged into a war on dubious grounds.

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moondust

(20,017 posts)
25. Sample.
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 01:44 PM
Mar 2023

"We are greatly concerned about any possible linkup between terrorists and regimes that have or seek weapons of mass destruction...In the case of Saddam Hussein, we've got a dictator who is clearly pursuing and already possesses some of these weapons. A regime that hates America and everything we stand for must never be permitted to threaten America with weapons of mass destruction."

- Dick Cheney, Vice President
Detroit, Fund-Raiser
6/20/2002

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction."

- Dick Cheney, Vice President
Speech to VFW National Convention
8/26/2002

"There is already a mountain of evidence that Saddam Hussein is gathering weapons for the purpose of using them. And adding additional information is like adding a foot to Mount Everest."

- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Response to Question From Press
9/6/2002

"We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."

- Condoleeza Rice, US National Security Advisor
CNN Late Edition
9/8/2002

"Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons."

- George W. Bush, President
Speech to UN General Assembly
9/12/2002

"Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons. We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have."

- George W. Bush, President
Radio Address
10/5/2002

"The Iraqi regime...possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas."

- George W. Bush, President
Cincinnati, Ohio Speech
10/7/2002

"And surveillance photos reveal that the regime is rebuilding facilities that it had used to produce chemical and biological weapons."

- George W. Bush, President
Cincinnati, Ohio Speech
10/7/2002

"After eleven years during which we have tried containment, sanctions, inspections, even selected military action, the end result is that Saddam Hussein still has chemical and biological weapons and is increasing his capabilities to make more. And he is moving ever closer to developing a nuclear weapon."

- George W. Bush, President
Cincinnati, Ohio Speech
10/7/2002

"We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas."

- George W. Bush, President
Cincinnati, Ohio Speech
10/7/2002

"Iraq, despite UN sanctions, maintains an aggressive program to rebuild the infrastructure for its nuclear, chemical, biological, and missile programs. In each instance, Iraq's procurement agents are actively working to obtain both weapons-specific and dual-use materials and technologies critical to their rebuilding and expansion efforts, using front companies and whatever illicit means are at hand."

- John Bolton, Undersecretary of State for Arms Control
Speech to the Hudson Institute
11/1/2002

"We estimate that once Iraq acquires fissile material -- whether from a foreign source or by securing the materials to build an indigenous fissile material capability -- it could fabricate a nuclear weapon within one year. It has rebuilt its civilian chemical infrastructure and renewed production of chemical warfare agents, probably including mustard, sarin, and VX. It actively maintains all key aspects of its offensive BW program."

- John Bolton, Undersecretary of State for Arms Control
Speech to the Hudson Institute
11/1/2002

"Iraq could decide on any given day to provide biological or chemical weapons to a terrorist group or to individual terrorists...The war on terror will not be won until Iraq is completely and verifiably deprived of weapons of mass destruction."

- Dick Cheney, Vice President
Denver, Address To Air National Guard
12/1/2002

"If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world."

- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
12/2/2002

"The president of the United States and the secretary of defense would not assert as plainly and bluntly as they have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction if it was not true, and if they did not have a solid basis for saying it."

- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Response to Question From Press
12/4/2002

"We know for a fact that there are weapons there."

- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
1/9/2003

"I am absolutely convinced, based on the information that's been given to me, that the weapon of mass destruction which can kill more people than an atomic bomb -- that is, biological weapons -- is in the hands of the leadership of Iraq."

- Bill Frist, Senate Majority Leader
MSNBC Interview
1/10/2003

"What is unique about Iraq compared to, I would argue, any other country in the world, in this juncture, is the exhaustion of diplomacy thus far, and, No. 2, this intersection of weapons of mass destruction."

- Bill Frist, Senate Majority Leader
NewsHour Interview
1/22/2003

"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production."

- George W. Bush, President
State of the Union Address
1/28/2003

"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent."

- George W. Bush, President
State of the Union Address
1/28/2003

"We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more."

- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Remarks to UN Security Council
2/5/2003

"There can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has biological weapons and the capability to rapidly produce more, many more. And he has the ability to dispense these lethal poisons and diseases in ways that can cause massive death and destruction. If biological weapons seem too terrible to contemplate, chemical weapons are equally chilling."

- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Addresses the U.N. Security Council
2/5/2003

"In Iraq, a dictator is building and hiding weapons that could enable him to dominate the Middle East and intimidate the civilized world -- and we will not allow it."

- George W. Bush, President
Speech to the American Enterprise Institute
2/26/2003

"If Iraq had disarmed itself, gotten rid of its weapons of mass destruction over the past 12 years, or over the last several months since (UN Resolution) 1441 was enacted, we would not be facing the crisis that we now have before us...But the suggestion that we are doing this because we want to go to every country in the Middle East and rearrange all of its pieces is not correct."

- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Interview with Radio France International
2/28/2003

"I am not eager to send young Americans into harm's way in Iraq, or to see innocent people killed or hurt in military operations. Given all of the facts and circumstances known to us, however, I am convinced that if we wait, a threat will continue to materialize in Iraq that could cause incalculable damage to world peace in general, and to the United States in particular."

- Bill Frist, Senate Majority Leader
Letter to Future of Freedom Foundation
3/1/2003

"Iraq is a grave threat to this nation. It desires to acquire and use weapons of mass terror and is run by a despot with a proven record of willingness to use them. Iraq has had 12 years to comply with UN requirements for disarmament and has failed to do so. The president is right to say it's time has run out."

- Bill Frist, Senate Majority Leader
Senate Speech
3/7/2003

"So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? I think our judgment has to be clearly not."

- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Remarks to UN Security Council
3/7/2003

"Getting rid of Saddam Hussein's regime is our best inoculation. Destroying once and for all his weapons of disease and death is a vaccination for the world."

- Bill Frist, Senate Majority Leader
Washington Post op-ed
3/16/2003

"Let's talk about the nuclear proposition for a minute. We know that based on intelligence, that has been very, very good at hiding these kinds of efforts. He's had years to get good at it and we know he has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons. And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."

- Dick Cheney, Vice President
Meet The Press
3/16/2003

"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."

- George W. Bush, President
Address to the Nation
3/17/2003

"The United States...is now at war so we will not ever see what terrorists could do if supplied with weapons of mass destruction by Saddam Hussein."

- Bill Frist, Senate Majority Leader
Senate Debate
3/20/2003

"Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes."

- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
3/21/2003

"There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And...as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them."

- General Tommy Franks, Commander in Chief Central Command
Press Conference
3/22/2003

"One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites."

- Victoria Clark, Pentagon Spokeswoman
Press Briefing
3/22/2003

"I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction."

- Kenneth Adelman, Defense Policy Board member
Washington Post, p. A27
3/23/2003

"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."

- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
ABC Interview
3/30/2003

"We simply cannot live in fear of a ruthless dictator, aggressor and terrorist such as Saddam Hussein, who possesses the world's most deadly weapons."

- Bill Frist, Senate Majority Leader
Speech to American Israel Political Action Committee
3/31/2003

"We still need to find and secure Iraq's weapons of mass destruction facilities and secure Iraq's borders so we can prevent the flow of weapons of mass destruction materials and senior regime officials out of the country."

- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Press Conference
4/9/2003

"You bet we're concerned about it. And one of the reasons it's important is because the nexus between terrorist states with weapons of mass destruction...and terrorist groups -- networks -- is a critical link. And the thought that...some of those materials could leave the country and in the hands of terrorist networks would be a very unhappy prospect. So it is important to us to see that that doesn't happen."

- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Press Conference
4/9/2003

"Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty."

- Robert Kagan, Neocon scholar
Washington Post op-ed
4/9/2003

"I think you have always heard, and you continue to hear from officials, a measure of high confidence that, indeed, the weapons of mass destruction will be found."

- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
4/10/2003

"But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found."

- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
4/10/2003

"Were not going to find anything until we find people who tell us where the things are. And we have that very high on our priority list, to find the people who know. And when we do, then well learn precisely where things were and what was done."

- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Meet the Press
4/13/2003

"I have absolute confidence that there are weapons of mass destruction inside this country. Whether we will turn out, at the end of the day, to find them in one of the 2,000 or 3,000 sites we already know about or whether contact with one of these officials who we may come in contact with will tell us, 'Oh, well, there's actually another site,' and we'll find it there, I'm not sure."

- General Tommy Franks, Commander in Chief Central Command
Fox News
4/13/2003

"We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them."

- George W. Bush, President
NBC Interview
4/24/2003

"There are people who in large measure have information that we need...so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country."

- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Press Briefing
4/25/2003

"We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so."

- George W. Bush, President
Remarks to Reporters
5/3/2003

"I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now."

- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Remarks to Reporters
5/4/2003

"We never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in that country."

- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Fox News Interview
5/4/2003

"I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein -- because he had a weapons program."

- George W. Bush, President
Remarks to Reporters
5/6/2003

"U.S. officials never expected that 'we were going to open garages and find' weapons of mass destruction."

- Condoleeza Rice, US National Security Advisor
Reuters Interview
5/12/2003

"I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years ago -- I mean, there's no question that there were chemical weapons years ago -- whether they were destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they're still hidden."

- Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, Commander 101st Airborne
Press Briefing
5/13/2003

"We said all along that we will never get to the bottom of the Iraqi WMD program simply by going and searching specific sites, that you'd have to be able to get people who know about the programs to talk to you."

- Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Secretary of Defense
Interview with Australian Broadcasting
5/13/2003

"Before the war, there's no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to be found. I still expect them to be found."

- Gen. Michael Hagee, Commandant of the Marine Corps
Interview with Reporters
5/21/2003

"It's going to take time to find them, but we know he had them. And whether he destroyed them, moved them or hid them, we're going to find out the truth. One thing is for certain: Saddam Hussein no longer threatens America with weapons of mass destruction."

- George W. Bush, President
Speech at a weapons factory in Ohio
5/25/2003

"Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we're interrogating, I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass destruction."

- Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff
NBC Today Show interview
5/26/2003

"They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer."

- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Remarks to Council on Foreign Relations
5/27/2003

"For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on."

- Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Secretary of Defense
Vanity Fair interview
5/28/2003

"The President is indeed satisfied with the intelligence that he received. And I think that's borne out by the fact that, just as Secretary Powell described at the United Nations, we have found the bio trucks that can be used only for the purpose of producing biological weapons. That's proof-perfect that the intelligence in that regard was right on target."

- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
5/29/2003

"We have teams of people that are out looking. They've investigated a number of sites. And within the last week or two, they have in fact captured and have in custody two of the mobile trailers that Secretary Powell talked about at the United Nations as being biological weapons laboratories."

- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Infinity Radio Interview
5/30/2003

"But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them."

- George W. Bush, President
Interview with TVP Poland
5/30/2003

"You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons...They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two...And we'll find more weapons as time goes on."

- George W. Bush, President
Press Briefing
5/30/2003

"It was a surprise to me then -- it remains a surprise to me now -- that we have not uncovered weapons, as you say, in some of the forward dispersal sites. Believe me, it's not for lack of trying. We've been to virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad, but they're simply not there."

- Lt. Gen. James Conway, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force
Press Interview
5/30/2003

"Do I think we're going to find something? Yeah, I kind of do, because I think there's a lot of information out there."

- Maj. Gen. Keith Dayton, Defense Intelligence Agency
Press Conference
5/30/2003

"This wasn't material I was making up, it came from the intelligence community."

- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Press Briefing
6/2/2003

"We recently found two mobile biological weapons facilities which were capable of producing biological agents. This is the man who spent decades hiding tools of mass murder. He knew the inspectors were looking for them. You know better than me he's got a big country in which to hide them. We're on the look. We'll reveal the truth."

- George W. Bush, President Camp Sayliya, Qatar
6/5/2003

"I would put before you Exhibit A, the mobile biological labs that we have found. People are saying, 'Well, are they truly mobile biological labs?' Yes, they are. And the DCI, George Tenet, Director of Central Intelligence, stands behind that assessment."

- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Fox News Interview
6/8/2003

"No one ever said that we knew precisely where all of these agents were, where they were stored."

- Condoleeza Rice, US National Security Advisor
Meet the Press
6/8/2003

"What the president has said is because it's been the long-standing view of numerous people, not only in this country, not only in this administration, but around the world, including at the United Nations, who came to those conclusions...And the president is not going to engage in the rewriting of history that others may be trying to engage in."

- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Response to Question From Press
6/9/2003

"Iraq had a weapons program...Intelligence throughout the decade showed they had a weapons program. I am absolutely convinced with time we'll find out they did have a weapons program."

- George W. Bush, President
Comment to Reporters
6/9/2003

"The biological weapons labs that we believe strongly are biological weapons labs, we didn't find any biological weapons with those labs. But should that give us any comfort? Not at all. Those were labs that could produce biological weapons whenever Saddam Hussein might have wanted to have a biological weapons inventory."

- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Associated Press Interview
6/12/2003

"Those documents were only one piece of evidence in a larger body of evidence suggesting that Iraq attempted to purchase uranium from Africa...The issue of Iraq's pursuit of uranium in Africa is supported by multiple sources of intelligence. The other sources of evidence did and do support the president's statement."

- Sean McCormack, National Security Council Spokesman
Statement to press
6/13/2003

"My personal view is that their intelligence has been, I'm sure, imperfect, but good. In other words, I think the intelligence was correct in general, and that you always will find out precisely what it was once you get on the ground and have a chance to talk to people and explore it, and I think that will happen."

- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Press Briefing
6/18/2003

"I have reason, every reason, to believe that the intelligence that we were operating off was correct and that we will, in fact, find weapons or evidence of weapons, programs, that are conclusive. But that's just a matter of time...It's now less than eight weeks since the end of major combat in Iraq and I believe that patience will prove to be a virtue."

- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Pentagon media briefing
6/24/2003

MS. BLOCK: There were no toxins found in those trailers. SECRETARY POWELL: Which could mean one of several things: one, they hadn't been used yet to develop toxins; or, secondly, they had been sterilized so thoroughly that there is no residual left. It may well be that they hadn't been used yet.

- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
All Things Considered, Interview
6/27/2003

"That was the concern we had with Saddam Hussein. Not only did he have weapons -- and we'll uncover not only his weapons but all of his weapons programs -- he never lost the intent to have these kinds of weapons."

- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
All Things Considered, Interview
6/27/2003

"I think the burden is on those people who think he didn't have weapons of mass destruction to tell the world where they are."

- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
7/9/2003

moondust

(20,017 posts)
35. YW
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 10:43 PM
Mar 2023

If interested, the Duelfer Report of the Iraq Survey Group that tells the story of Saddam's WMD programs can be found and downloaded here:

https://www.govinfo.gov/app/details/GPO-DUELFERREPORT/summary

Buckeyeblue

(5,504 posts)
43. That last quote really sums up the double talk the Bush administration resorted to
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 05:37 AM
Mar 2023

When no WMDs were found. Then I remembered at a certain point the rhetoric shifted to make the focus on the liberation of the Iraqi people.

I still don't understand how Bush got reelected.

GoCubsGo

(32,098 posts)
27. Another thing to add to the "No Shit, Sherlock" file.
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 06:52 PM
Mar 2023

One would think that the cartoon images (as opposed to actual images) of "mobile weapons labs" that Colin Powell presented to the UN as "evidence" would have been a huge clue to these guys.

LudwigPastorius

(9,206 posts)
36. Gee "Bob" and "Alice",...
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 10:46 PM
Mar 2023

you're about 20 fucking years too late.

But, thanks for being good little intelligence soldiers and keeping your mouths shut back then!

Tree Lady

(11,522 posts)
37. Read a book by Richard Clarke many years
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 10:55 PM
Mar 2023

ago saying this but everyone let Bush get away with it and reelected him.

niyad

(113,668 posts)
38. NSS! Dana Milbank has entire section in his book, "The Destructionists" about
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 12:09 AM
Mar 2023

those lies. And they were thoroughly discussed here on DU at the time. So why is this seen as "news"?

Dirty Socialist

(3,252 posts)
41. The sickening part is
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 05:04 AM
Mar 2023

Everyone here knows that fact, while Republican rubes have no idea about it. Infuriating.

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