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highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 12:24 PM Mar 2023

OpenAI's own study, just released, on jobs safe or at risk from ChatGPT

NDTV article on this study by OpenAI, Open Research, and the University of Pennsylvania:

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/is-your-job-safe-this-openai-study-lists-professions-that-could-be-replaced-by-chatgpt-3879562

Here's a list of occupations safe from ChatGPT:

Agricultural Equipment Operators
Athletes and Sports Competitors
Auto Mechanics
Cement Masons
Cooks
Cafeteria Attendants
Bartenders
Dishwashers
Electrical Power-Line Installers and Repairers
Carpenters
Painters
Plumbers
Meat, Poultry, and Fish Cutters and Trimmers
Slaughterers and Meat Packers
Stonemasons

-snip-

List of occupations at risk:

Mathematicians
Tax Preparers
Financial Quantitative Analysts
Writers and Authors
Web and Digital Interface Designers
Court Reporters
Simultaneous Captioners
Proofreaders
Copy Markers
Accountants
Auditors
News Analysts
Journalists
Administrative Assistants

-snip-



In general, the more education and higher income you have, the more likely you are to have AI replace you. Especially if you work in finance, education, journalism, engineering, and graphic design.

OpenAI CEO Sam Altman has admitted there will be a lot of job losses

https://economictimes.com/tech/technology/chatgpt-to-eliminate-a-lot-of-current-jobs-openai-ceo-sam-altman/articleshow/98772295.cms

but he says, "We can make much better ones."

He doesn't say who "we" will be, though, and the only new job being created by AI so far is prompt engineer, someone who supposedly can get better and quicker results from AI using smarter prompts than most people can think of.

Sane people would look at what OpenAI is predicting here and think it sounds catastrophic.

Sam Altman will be fine with it, as his AI monsters yank the rug out from under our economy and society.

He has his own hideout prepared if things get too bad: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217685127

And as I posted after seeing another news story on him today

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217746655

he has another company that wants to scan the irises of everyone in the world and prepare to give us crypto as a universal basic income after AI takes our jobs.
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OpenAI's own study, just released, on jobs safe or at risk from ChatGPT (Original Post) highplainsdem Mar 2023 OP
I don't think so. Yavin4 Mar 2023 #1
Not completely, but most banks have a lot fewer tellers than they highplainsdem Mar 2023 #2
There are more branches and more banking hours than when I was a kid. Yavin4 Mar 2023 #4
AI will need babysitters and a link to the physical world GenXer47 Mar 2023 #5
Yeah, when I saw my profession on that list, I got a bit nervous... W_HAMILTON Mar 2023 #29
... highplainsdem Mar 2023 #7
Alarmist headline designed for clicks. Yavin4 Mar 2023 #11
LOL! highplainsdem Mar 2023 #12
Somebody saw War Games or Terminator one too many times. BannonsLiver Mar 2023 #30
The self-thinking AI bot will be better than the self-driving car, right? bucolic_frolic Mar 2023 #3
The word "computer" used to refer to humans sitting in rooms doing math. tinrobot Mar 2023 #6
The study was done by Open AI. highplainsdem Mar 2023 #8
Well aware. I read the report before you even posted. tinrobot Mar 2023 #17
The OP watched Terminator one too many times. BannonsLiver Mar 2023 #10
Your fantasy about that is so amusing. What part of this being highplainsdem Mar 2023 #15
I understand you are completely unobjective on this subject. BannonsLiver Mar 2023 #16
You understand absolutely nothing if you believe that. highplainsdem Mar 2023 #20
Every one of your AI posts are framed around fear and danger. BannonsLiver Mar 2023 #22
Sam Altman says he's scared. highplainsdem Mar 2023 #25
Really? BannonsLiver Mar 2023 #26
Why are you so happy with ChatGPT that you don't care about highplainsdem Mar 2023 #28
Oh I wouldn't mistake pointing out an irrational obsession with not caring BannonsLiver Mar 2023 #31
You're wrong again in characterizing my posts, but I'll give you props for at least not highplainsdem Mar 2023 #32
Thank you. Yavin4 Mar 2023 #13
Kicking for Visibility SheltieLover Mar 2023 #9
Disruptive and potentially dislocating--economically, socially, politically. slumcamper Mar 2023 #14
From working with ChatGPT and other AI tools I can say the risk to jobs is rather overblown. honest.abe Mar 2023 #18
Learn to code Johnny2X2X Mar 2023 #19
I'm already seeing lots of tweets from people saying they can just use highplainsdem Mar 2023 #21
Looks like the Data Analysts/Scientists are also in trouble. Renew Deal Mar 2023 #23
I ran across a column suggesting accountants could highplainsdem Mar 2023 #33
Oh noes!!! A column telling people to get into law. Yavin4 Mar 2023 #35
Who do you think writes the codes to program the AI? Yavin4 Mar 2023 #34
Here is the original research, which is interesting. Renew Deal Mar 2023 #24
Thanks! highplainsdem Mar 2023 #27
Mathematicians? old as dirt Mar 2023 #36

highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)
2. Not completely, but most banks have a lot fewer tellers than they
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 12:29 PM
Mar 2023

used to.

And there's a huge difference between AI and an ATM.

Yavin4

(35,446 posts)
4. There are more branches and more banking hours than when I was a kid.
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 12:37 PM
Mar 2023

Back in the 70s before ATMs, my mom had to stand in a long line on Fridays to cash her checks. Today, even with ATMs and direct deposits, you can find an open branch opened on Saturdays.

Why? Tech improvement increases business activity. Opens up new possibilities. The same will be true for AI. There will be new jobs and new careers which we don't even know about yet. For example, the internet created the web developer profession.

 

GenXer47

(1,204 posts)
5. AI will need babysitters and a link to the physical world
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 12:42 PM
Mar 2023

Accounting isn't exactly what people believe it is. It's a narrative, mostly. I'm not sure AI will ever grow beyond its childlike interpretation of its inputs, which is 100% honest, for one. Is anyone honest with their taxes???

W_HAMILTON

(7,873 posts)
29. Yeah, when I saw my profession on that list, I got a bit nervous...
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 02:02 PM
Mar 2023

...but then I remember how terrible even some of the scan-to-input options were for standardized forms like W-2s etc. and I'm not so worried. Think someone making 10,000.00 and the scan program accidentally inputting it as 1000000.

I'm sure AI -- at least more advanced AI than most accounting firms currently use -- will put a lot of "data entry" type workers out of a job or cause them to be utilized elsewhere or in a different manner (e.g., reviewing the AI-generated input for accuracy), but accounting in general is about so much more than just entering numbers. Hell, in a lot of cases, you have to know the tax code and rules and regulations to even know what number to enter... Maybe AI will get there eventually, but I don't see that happening anytime in the near future (read: not in the next decade and probably even longer than that).

bucolic_frolic

(43,296 posts)
3. The self-thinking AI bot will be better than the self-driving car, right?
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 12:32 PM
Mar 2023

Already they're generating investment advice, gleaned from experts, analyzed, and aggregated. But at any given moment, candlestick charts, a 500 year old Japanese creation, gives all that is known about price, volume, and sentiment. So why is AI going to improve on that? What if they don't pick the right experts?

tinrobot

(10,916 posts)
6. The word "computer" used to refer to humans sitting in rooms doing math.
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 12:44 PM
Mar 2023

There were rooms full of "computers" calculating artillery tables in WWII. Most of them were women. Shortly after the war, they were replaced by the electronic computers, such as the ENIAC, which did those same calculations many times faster.

And the very first computer programmers? Many of them were actually women who worked as "computers" during the war. The task of programming computers quickly evolved into one of the highest paying professions out there.

I would consider that to be a good example of a "better job."

Looking at it a different way, I guess Turing, Von Neumann, Mauchly/Eckert and other computing pioneers also could be seen as "monsters" who yanked the rug out from under our 1940's economy and society.

Except they didn't. This won't, either. Enough with the hyperbole.

tinrobot

(10,916 posts)
17. Well aware. I read the report before you even posted.
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 01:34 PM
Mar 2023

They're just stating the obvious - things are going to change.

Just like they've changed many, many times before. We survived these changes and will survive again

My advice - learn about it and get in front of it. That's what I'm doing.


highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)
20. You understand absolutely nothing if you believe that.
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 01:45 PM
Mar 2023

I've been posting about the problems with AI and what experts are saying.

Including people with OpenAI.

Why are you not concerned about the problems it's already creating and the ones even Sam Altman admits it will create?

BannonsLiver

(16,460 posts)
22. Every one of your AI posts are framed around fear and danger.
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 01:54 PM
Mar 2023

But I guess that’s because you’re so objective about it🤷?♂️


highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)
32. You're wrong again in characterizing my posts, but I'll give you props for at least not
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 02:15 PM
Mar 2023

posting your standard wrong "You must have watched Terminator too often" reply.

Yavin4

(35,446 posts)
13. Thank you.
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 01:19 PM
Mar 2023

Most businesses don't even use simple data visualization software, and they're just going to flip over to AI over night?

slumcamper

(1,606 posts)
14. Disruptive and potentially dislocating--economically, socially, politically.
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 01:26 PM
Mar 2023

Don't take this lightly.

From the abstract of the actual study:

Our findings indicate that approximately 80% of the U.S. workforce could have at least 10% of their work
tasks affected
by the introduction of GPTs, while around 19% of workers may see at least 50% of their
tasks impacted
. The influence spans all wage levels, with higher-income jobs potentially facing greater
exposure.

This is a notable impact, disruptive at the least, and potentially dislocating. It may take time, but consider your kids and grandkids.

The professional middle class may eventually wither, and employment opportunity shrink to performers, manual trades, and service sector. Implications for the broader economy, e.g., unemployment, widening economic inequality, concentration of wealth and power, and attendant social and political effects remain a question. And public education, nd how to prepare youth for this new world...where to even begin?







honest.abe

(8,685 posts)
18. From working with ChatGPT and other AI tools I can say the risk to jobs is rather overblown.
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 01:39 PM
Mar 2023

I would say the biggest jobs risk will be to those individuals who refuse or dont know how to take advantage of AI tools in their work. Those who become proficient in utilizing AI will way outperform those who are not and those lessor performing folks will be at risk.

Johnny2X2X

(19,114 posts)
19. Learn to code
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 01:44 PM
Mar 2023

That meme always struck me as misplaced. I am a systems engineer in aerospace. Coding is one of the easiest things to automate and that’s exactly what these AIs can do for you. If you are able to describe the interfaces and desired behavior well enough, ChatGPT can give you the code you need.

highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)
21. I'm already seeing lots of tweets from people saying they can just use
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 01:47 PM
Mar 2023

GPT-4 or ChatGPT now, don't need to hire people for that coding.

highplainsdem

(49,041 posts)
33. I ran across a column suggesting accountants could
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 02:29 PM
Mar 2023

become data analysts instead, if replaced by AI. Or engineers or lawyers. Written by someone who obviously hadn't read about what AI can do to those professions.

Yavin4

(35,446 posts)
35. Oh noes!!! A column telling people to get into law.
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 03:34 PM
Mar 2023

The legal field is D-E-A-D. It has been D-E-A-D for decades now. Except for a few grads from top law schools, most law grads, including those that have passed the bar, struggle mightily to make ends meet.

Stop overreacting to hyperbolic media that doesn't understand anything other than raising your anxiety levels.

Yavin4

(35,446 posts)
34. Who do you think writes the codes to program the AI?
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 03:30 PM
Mar 2023

Who do you think formats the data that fed into the AI?

Renew Deal

(81,873 posts)
24. Here is the original research, which is interesting.
Tue Mar 21, 2023, 01:57 PM
Mar 2023
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2303.10130.pdf

I disagree about accountants. People will always want a human to cut them a break.
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