SO...multiple GOPers want to investigate Covenant shooting as a Hate Crime. Wellll....

[Roland99]

where tf were they when gays were murdered by the DOZENS at Orlando's Pulse nightclub?

How many other mass shootings by RWNJs based on hate (Synagogues for example) were they vocal about???

NONE

Fk all these gun-humpers!

[FarPoint]

1. We all know how they cherry pick a winning scenario for themselves.

This is what the sell....they never serve their constituents....just their base.

[Effete Snob]

2. I have no idea why it matters

The only person who would be chargeable with a hate crime is dead, so there is utterly no fucking point in pursuing charges of any kind against that person.

The remaining things to investigate are any potential accomplices or any administrative violations involving the sale of handguns etc..

Just who is it you want investigated for committing a hate crime? And, to be clear, dead people don't get arrested and charged with stuff.

[Jedi Guy]

27. Well, if I recall correctly...

There was a Pope several centuries ago who exhumed a predecessor and put them (or their remains, at any rate) on trial. I can't recall the charges, but given the circumstances and time period, probably heresy of some variety or another.

As a practical matter, it's going to be "charged" as a hate crime in a full-court press on public opinion by the usual suspects, which has already begun. MTG is leading the charge. She probably high-fived some of her staffers when the news broke. This will absolutely be used to make a hell of a lot of hay, unfortunately.

[yardwork]

32. It's obviously nothing but political posturing.

[maryellen99]

3. They were happy about Pulse and Colorado Springs

They only cared about Pulse because the shooter was Muslim and claimed he was in ISIS.

[CincyDem]

4. Well...ya know...there's a right kinda hate.

In case it’s necessary.

[grumpyduck]

5. More posturing for Faux Noise. nt

[Walleye]

6. New York post headline is something like, "Shooter Targets Christian School"

Never have seen any headline about shooters targeting secular schools, so many have been the scene of mass shootings

[ZonkerHarris]

14. Actually, they specified that it was a trans person

[Martin Eden]

7. They want to make sure the shooter is properly sentenced

What's that ... the shooter is dead??

Then what's the point?

[LymphocyteLover]

8. they can go for it-- and maybe see why people turn against Churches and that strict bigoted teaching

[barbtries]

9. young straight white men

are the most common demographic. you never hear them trying to smear every young straight white man out there. yes, they are fucking hypocrites. it really seems as if they get off on all the killing going on in the USA.

i hate republicans. they are the reason we cannot have a decent country.

[IcyPeas]

23. yup

funny how that happens. one person of a certain race or gender does something bad and the entire group gets blamed for it.... except for white guys. Why is that?

hmm?

[NullTuples]

10. Law enforcement is dumping cop cam footage to the media but not the motivation.

It feels biased, to be honest. Not against the shooter; what they did was unarguably wrong and evil. Against all trans people.

"One day this will make more sense," Hale wrote, "I've left behind more than enough evidence behind"

They (Hale) was forced to attend a conservative Christian school, their parents were highly devout Christians and in their last hours the only friend they could turn to preached to them. I've lived in that world & it can crush you if you don't fit in and cannot escape. I fell inward, as in my nature. Some others lash out when they give up.

The story is more complex than law enforcement is admitting to the news media, and the news is running with the easy story. Again, this is not an excuse for murder. But I've a feeling releasing the additional information would show people that Republicans and Conservative Christians are pushing the outlier trans people to and past the limit of what they can emotionally handle. That is how stochastic terrorism works, too.

[Roland99]

12. Yeah, the release of the kill shot video seems very suspect, imho

Definitely feeding some sort of agenda somewhere

[oldsoftie]

18. Suspect? They're doing their JOB. It certainly makes the Uvalde cops look TERRIBLE.

These cops went in & did their job without hesitation. Had that been done in Uvalde there probably would be a lot more kids still alive

[Roland99]

25. I understand that. But no body video has ever been released showing the final outcome

Esp within 24hrs

[oldsoftie]

28. I bet the Dept wanted to make sure everyone knew it WASNT Uvalde

So they got out ahead of whatever false stories might get spread quickly & showed exactly what went down & that the cops went in as soon as they got there .

[orleans]

17. where is the hale quote coming from? nt

[ShazzieB]

19. I could swear I read about it somewhere on DU yesterday.

I can't find the thread right now, but there's a Daily Beast article about it here: https://www.thedailybeast.com/nashville-school-shooting-audrey-hale-messaged-friend-minutes-before-massacre

[orleans]

20. i googled & found it on a cnn timeline

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/nashville-shooting-covenant-school-03-27-23/index.html

Former teammate of shooter describes chilling message she received from shooter before school shooting

snip

"One day this will make more sense," Hale wrote. "I've left behind more than enough evidence behind. But something bad is about to happen," the message stated.

[NullTuples]

24. news media - her friend - law enforcement?

Take your pick, but note that some don't post the entire exchange and some are right leaning news sites:

https://www.google.com/search?q=hale+messaged+friend&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[orleans]

26. thanks--see my #20 post; i have a cnn quote with an added line nt

[Probatim]

11. What happens when we find out something terrible happened to the shooter

when the shooter attended school there and the school covered it up...

That seems to be highly likely given the state of christian schools these days.

[oldsoftie]

29. Well at 28 yrs old it took long enough to do something.

[calimary]

13. I'm with ya, my friend.

I make my pledge again:

I will give up ALL my complaining about guns, IN EXCHANGE FOR getting my two friends back. They got into an argument that turned deadly for both of them, after one of them found the gun in the house and “settled” things. All it took was one gun. Leading directly to a murder-suicide.

[yellowdogintexas]

15. I saw Josh Hawley's ridiculous tirade earlier today

on You Tube!
What about the other religious places which were attacked?

The church in one of the Carolinas (sorry there have been so many it's hard to keep up0)
Two churches in Texas; one right here in Ft Worth not long after Columbine.

Synagogues - isn't that a hate crime?
Pulse night club isn't that a hate crime
The supermarket in Buffalo
the Wal Mart in El Paso

I guess Hawley is only concerned if it is a "Christian" school that is shot up - especially by a (Horror of horrors) female in transition. Makes me wonder what that school did to her>

[Peregrine Took]

21. Wasn't he pathetic, like a chirpy, banty rooster all full of himself?

And the fact it was a Christian school - and at one time she must have been a Christian (!) -this was the reason she went shooting there!

I was so sickened by The Running Man I had to turn off the tv and collect my thoughts!!

[oldsoftie]

30. In all fairness, doesnt he ALWAYS appear that way? nt

[yardwork]

33. The Black people killed by a white supremacist in their Charleston church.

Kind people who invited the white kid to join them in prayers. He came to kill them because they were Black.

I don't recall Republicans being outraged. They offered thoughts and prayers, as usual.

[Wounded Bear]

16. GRAs should remember that the shooter apparently wanted to be a young white man...

which is who does almost all of the shootings in our country.

[ShazzieB]

22. Well, a lot of these evilgelical types think there's a war on Christianity.🙄

They think they are soooooooooooo persecuted, you know? Because Christians are the most oppressed group on the face of the earth, the poor widdle things.


I am so angry, sick, and disgusted right now, I have to end this post before it dissolves into a string of incoherent profanities!

[MissMillie]

31. Well, this will be the first time...

... they've treated BORN children as a protected class.