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In It to Win It

(8,303 posts)
Fri Mar 31, 2023, 06:18 PM Mar 2023

Judge Robert Pittman ORDERS Llano County to return "all books" to its libraries removed for content

Stephen Paulsen
@stephentpaulsen

NEW: A federal judge has ordered Llano County to return to its libraries "all books" removed for their content and viewpoint.

Library patrons have shown that "content-based restrictions" were likely unconstitutional, he ruled.

https://courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Llano-county-library-books-injunction.pdf

A group had previously complained of "pornographic filth" and "CRT and LGBTQ books" at the libraries.

Among the books that will return to shelves for now: "Being Jazz: My Life as a (Transgender) Teen" by @JazzJennings__




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Judge Robert Pittman ORDERS Llano County to return "all books" to its libraries removed for content (Original Post) In It to Win It Mar 2023 OP
This is good news. Disaffected Mar 2023 #1
It's a real page turner In It to Win It Mar 2023 #2
Yea I ripped right through that one. Maraya1969 Apr 2023 #32
... Disaffected Apr 2023 #34
I have a challenge for any of the book banners... momta Apr 2023 #33
Challenge seconded. Disaffected Apr 2023 #35
"I studied, went to law school,... ret5hd Mar 2023 #3
lol. and while i've never been a fan of fart jokes i know, in my heart, orleans Mar 2023 #12
Fart books are best read... StClone Mar 2023 #13
Are fart shows still legal? Sneederbunk Mar 2023 #14
As long as you don't take a match to them meow2u3 Mar 2023 #16
No but booger books and actual farts are still legal. yellowcanine Apr 2023 #22
Ben Franklin would approve of this judge soldierant Apr 2023 #28
Yes! K&R crickets Mar 2023 #4
What state is this? sinkingfeeling Mar 2023 #5
Texas cannabis_flower Mar 2023 #6
Texas. sl8 Mar 2023 #7
The only Llano I know is about 50 miles from me in Texas. efhmc Mar 2023 #8
It did. herding cats Mar 2023 #17
Good! They definitely got the right judge. In It to Win It Mar 2023 #18
Texas, about an hour north of me. carpetbagger Mar 2023 #9
Is this a precedent for other states? BlueIdaho Mar 2023 #10
nope In It to Win It Mar 2023 #11
To be considered a legal precedent soldierant Apr 2023 #29
Right. In It to Win It Apr 2023 #30
Awesome news! n/t iluvtennis Mar 2023 #15
Very unlikely unconstitutional, ya think MagickMuffin Mar 2023 #19
If there was any judge in Texas I trust to make such a determination In It to Win It Apr 2023 #20
It would seem Conjuay Apr 2023 #21
I'd love to get a copy of the Plaintiffs' filing, so it can be distributed across censorship states. ancianita Apr 2023 #23
Found it linked on WaPo, a well written filing by law firms out of San Francisco and Austin. ancianita Apr 2023 #25
So tired of the Republican "argument"... Beartracks Apr 2023 #24
Washington Post reported on this case, which is where I found the plaintiffs' filing link. ancianita Apr 2023 #26
Link to complaint In It to Win It Apr 2023 #27
Anyone who bans fart books knows not one thing about... Trueblue Texan Apr 2023 #31

Disaffected

(4,572 posts)
1. This is good news.
Fri Mar 31, 2023, 06:26 PM
Mar 2023

I am particularly pleased to see that Larry the Farting Leprechaun is back on the shelves!

momta

(4,079 posts)
33. I have a challenge for any of the book banners...
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 05:53 PM
Apr 2023

If they can go a week without farting, I will consent to them removing the fart books (assuming they're still alive).

Disaffected

(4,572 posts)
35. Challenge seconded.
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 06:02 PM
Apr 2023

All this reminds me of a little diddy we used to sing as kids:

"Oh, the moon shines bright on Nellie Cartwright,

She couldn't fart right,

Her ass was air-tight."

ret5hd

(20,556 posts)
3. "I studied, went to law school,...
Fri Mar 31, 2023, 06:53 PM
Mar 2023

advanced my career, became a federal judge…to end up ruling on fart books.”

And we all thank you, your honor.

orleans

(34,089 posts)
12. lol. and while i've never been a fan of fart jokes i know, in my heart,
Fri Mar 31, 2023, 07:59 PM
Mar 2023

(regardless of my lack of farting sense of humor), that fart books matter too

(and i'm guessing especially to kids)
(although, come to think of it, a nice fart book for men might make the perfect father's day gift.... hummm... that gives me an idea... )

herding cats

(19,569 posts)
17. It did.
Fri Mar 31, 2023, 09:54 PM
Mar 2023

Some amazing citizens there stood up and fought like mad against this.

I, personally, know they had a lot of local blowback but still fought the County Judge, commissioners and several uptight citizens for what they believed to be right.

I'm deeply proud of the 7 citizens there who dared to standup and fight.

In It to Win It

(8,303 posts)
18. Good! They definitely got the right judge.
Fri Mar 31, 2023, 10:31 PM
Mar 2023

This is the good Judge Pittman of Texas (as opposed to Judge Mark Pittman in the Northern District of Texas). I think he’s one that should be considered for elevation to a circuit court.

soldierant

(6,942 posts)
29. To be considered a legal precedent
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 03:45 PM
Apr 2023

a decision mut be made by an appellate court (or one higher than that.)

But I suppose it might be pointed to as an example It wouldn't be binding, but it couldn't hurt.

In It to Win It

(8,303 posts)
30. Right.
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 04:03 PM
Apr 2023

It would have to affirmed by an appellate court.

But I suppose it might be pointed to as an example It wouldn't be binding, but it couldn't hurt.

I think that’s one of the most important aspects of District Court judges. Although their decisions don’t create precedent, the ideas they put out into the judicial system is given a chance to be echoed by an appellate panel and by the Supreme Court. These fringe unconventional decisions and interpretations that comes from these right wing Texas district judges then is given a certain legitimacy when it goes to the 5th Circuit where they go on to echo that same fringe interpretation, which is then referenced and cited by some right wing district court judge in Florida (or wherever else) and goes up to a conservative panel in the 11th Circuit and on and on throughout all of the other district and circuit courts.

That’s why I think the Senate should definitively fill those vacancies in the district courts in Texas.

In It to Win It

(8,303 posts)
20. If there was any judge in Texas I trust to make such a determination
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 08:40 AM
Apr 2023

It is Judge Robert Pittman.

There are 2 vacancies and 2 expected vacancies in the District Court that Judge Pittman sits, and I hope they find a way to fill them. If there’s any state that needs level headed judges, it’s Texas.

ancianita

(36,201 posts)
23. I'd love to get a copy of the Plaintiffs' filing, so it can be distributed across censorship states.
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 12:30 PM
Apr 2023

Reading the judgment is great for other state judges, too, since it's pretty much all constitutional citations.

ancianita

(36,201 posts)
25. Found it linked on WaPo, a well written filing by law firms out of San Francisco and Austin.
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 01:20 PM
Apr 2023

Librarians would be the best researchers of good law firms. Because librarians are badass.

Glad the plaintiffs won.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21746591-llanocomplaint-42522

Beartracks

(12,827 posts)
24. So tired of the Republican "argument"...
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 12:40 PM
Apr 2023

... that publicly funded libraries carrying books that a few parents find morally objectionable are not being "politically neutral" when they have the book in their collection in the first place, or when they seek to keep the book from being banned.

Typical conservative Republican modus operandi: politicize a thing, and then vehemently claim that those who object are politically motivated.

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ancianita

(36,201 posts)
26. Washington Post reported on this case, which is where I found the plaintiffs' filing link.
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 01:30 PM
Apr 2023
"...“Public libraries are not places of government indoctrination,” the lawsuit reads. “They are not places where the people in power can dictate what their citizens are permitted to read about and learn. When government actors target public library books because they disagree with and intend to suppress the ideas contained within them, it jeopardizes the freedoms of everyone.”

Such lawsuits are expected to proliferate after an unprecedented year of book challenges in school and public libraries by conservative groups largely objecting to LGBTQ authors and those writing about diversity and race, experts have said.

The American Library Association recorded 729 challenges to library materials in 2021 — a record since the group began tracking the data in 2000...."...

Caldwell noted that federal case law in Texas has set a precedent for First Amendment claims. In 2000, a federal court ruled that a vote by the city council in Wichita Falls to allow citizens the right to censor books — resulting in the removal from children’s shelves of two gay-themed books, “Heather Has Two Mommies” and “Daddy’s Roommate” — was unconstitutional.

“Removing books altogether, removing books to a restricted shelf or imposing other restrictions on access may give rise to a First Amendment challenge, while disregarding established reconsideration policies supports a presumption by the court that the board’s motivations in removing the books are unconstitutional,” Caldwell said.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/04/25/texas-residents-sue-county-removing-books-firing-librarian/

Trueblue Texan

(2,451 posts)
31. Anyone who bans fart books knows not one thing about...
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 05:00 PM
Apr 2023

6-10 year olds! They shouldn't be able to make such calls from such a pedestal of ignorance!

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