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JT45242

(2,259 posts)
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 04:36 PM Apr 2023

Will judge make him forfeit passports as flight risk?

The accused criminal has a jet capable of flying to a non extradition location.

Would othere defendants faced with over 30 counts be forced to pay bail and surrender passport in NY for real?

I ask because I know what Jack McCoy would do! Dun dun

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Will judge make him forfeit passports as flight risk? (Original Post) JT45242 Apr 2023 OP
I think it's better he escapes. Turbineguy Apr 2023 #1
To Russia............. Lovie777 Apr 2023 #3
I don't think he needs a passport to fly his own jet to someplace say, Russia Walleye Apr 2023 #2
See this post. Ms. Toad Apr 2023 #20
No, he won't flee. He thinks he can beat the rap. He thinks he's innocent! bucolic_frolic Apr 2023 #4
Yes he figures he can raise a lot of money and votes with his indictment. Irish_Dem Apr 2023 #6
Jack McCoy, Indeed: Dun(!)-Dun(!) (n/t) Ahna KneeMoose Apr 2023 #5
Here you go! Mme. Defarge Apr 2023 #13
Both Jack and I Say Hi - With Appreciations (n/t) Ahna KneeMoose Apr 2023 #18
He has a private plane and can go wherever he wants. no_hypocrisy Apr 2023 #7
Hmm . . . let's think about that a minute. Ms. Toad Apr 2023 #19
You don't need a passport to visit a country that wants you there Effete Snob Apr 2023 #21
The country's immigration laws apply, Ms. Toad Apr 2023 #24
Lol, right Effete Snob Apr 2023 #25
I understood what you said. Ms. Toad Apr 2023 #26
The mode of transportation does matter Effete Snob Apr 2023 #27
You've flipped the comment to which I was responding, and added a few more conditions. Ms. Toad Apr 2023 #30
Highly doubtful. Just A Box Of Rain Apr 2023 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author TexasTowelie Apr 2023 #9
Doubt it, besides him leaving the country would be a positive Lettuce Be Apr 2023 #10
People say no cuffs, not a flight risk. usonian Apr 2023 #11
Russia would NOT be a pleasant destination. WarGamer Apr 2023 #15
Ummmm... no? WarGamer Apr 2023 #12
"Oh please, Sir. Please don't leave the country and never come back! Please!" -- Brer Iggo Iggo Apr 2023 #14
In my perfect world... Brother Buzz Apr 2023 #16
Why allow any bail at all ? MichMan Apr 2023 #17
Damned Constitution Effete Snob Apr 2023 #22
Yet, some people are occasionally still denied bail MichMan Apr 2023 #23
Trump will not be denied bail Effete Snob Apr 2023 #28
For these NY indictments, you're completely right. But for 1/6? Silent3 Apr 2023 #29
People considered a flight risk can also be denied bail without committing violent crimes. MichMan Apr 2023 #32
Does he even need one to fly to one of his protectors like Russia or Saudi Arabia? NullTuples Apr 2023 #31

Walleye

(31,002 posts)
2. I don't think he needs a passport to fly his own jet to someplace say, Russia
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 04:38 PM
Apr 2023

Unless he has to stop and refuel I guess

bucolic_frolic

(43,122 posts)
4. No, he won't flee. He thinks he can beat the rap. He thinks he's innocent!
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 04:41 PM
Apr 2023

If he rabble rouses enough base, he thinks the judicial system will wither and he'll go free.

Irish_Dem

(46,860 posts)
6. Yes he figures he can raise a lot of money and votes with his indictment.
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 04:49 PM
Apr 2023

And probably assumes he is going to wiggle out of everything, like always.

Ms. Toad

(34,058 posts)
19. Hmm . . . let's think about that a minute.
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 06:53 PM
Apr 2023

Does that mean that as long as people who want to enter the US from Mexico take private transportation (jet or otherwise) that immigration laws don't apply to them (and many of them the right wants to deport are actually here legally)?

It isn't just returning to the US. Every country has immigration rules - and they apply to anyone entering the country regardless of the mode of transportation used to enter the country.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
21. You don't need a passport to visit a country that wants you there
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 06:57 PM
Apr 2023

If some country wants Trump there, he doesn’t need a passport to get in.

Ms. Toad

(34,058 posts)
24. The country's immigration laws apply,
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 07:14 PM
Apr 2023

regardless of the means of transportation.

The assertion (twice in this thread) implied that travel by private plane was an end run around the need for a passport. It isn't.

(There may be other exceptions in the immigration law, but those don't depend on whether you enter the country by private or public transportation.)

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
25. Lol, right
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 07:26 PM
Apr 2023

If Kim Jung Un allows Trump in, he’s in.

If Putin wants Trump in Russia, and Trump goes there, then some nitwit at the airport is not going to say “oh, wait, he doesn’t have a passport.”

I don’t think you understood what I said. If a country wants you there, they can let you in on any terms they want.

Ferdinand Marcos and the Shah of Iran didn’t apply for visa and spend time waiting in line at an immigration checkpoint to enter and live in the US.

Robert Vesco didn’t need a U.S. passport to move to Nicaragua or Cuba.

Snowden didn’t have a problem obtaining Russian citizenship after being stuck in an airport with no valid passport.

Ms. Toad

(34,058 posts)
26. I understood what you said.
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 08:02 PM
Apr 2023

You just didn't understand the post(s) I was responding to, which tied the lack of the need for a passport to traveling there by private plane.

If they want him there, and he wants to travel by public transportaion (commercial plane, train, bus, etc.), he would no more need a passport than he would if he traveled by private plane.

Again, it isn't the mode of transportation (the assertion to which I was responding) that determines whether he needs a passport.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
27. The mode of transportation does matter
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 08:15 PM
Apr 2023

A commercial airline will not fly you to another country without a passport. The reason why people think you need one to leave the country is because the airlines will be fined by the destination country and have to bring you back if they don’t check.

So, no, without a passport, one cannot take commercial air to another country.

If you have your own plane (and we are not talking about Mexico or Canada) then, yes, you can fly to any country that will let you in without your passport or a visa. A commercial airline will not do that.

I don’t think he’s going anywhere, but if he were nonetheless inclined to do so without a passport, then having one’s own plane makes a huge difference in how easy that will be to do.

Ms. Toad

(34,058 posts)
30. You've flipped the comment to which I was responding, and added a few more conditions.
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 09:00 PM
Apr 2023

The comment suggested that passports are not needed to travel to another country by a private plane. They are, as a general rule.

If he is allowed into another country without a passport, it isn't the mode of travel which exempts him from the need for a passport.

Frankly, if they really want him there without a passport, they have the means to make that happen even on a commercial airline.

And, if they don't want him there, arriving by private plane isn't going to make a whit of difference.

Response to JT45242 (Original post)

usonian

(9,744 posts)
11. People say no cuffs, not a flight risk.
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 05:36 PM
Apr 2023

Despite private jet and open arms.



WAIT! That would be the big win!
Save the U.S. government loads of money.

FLEE, DONNIE, FLEE!

WarGamer

(12,426 posts)
15. Russia would NOT be a pleasant destination.
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 05:44 PM
Apr 2023

Dubai would be MUCH better.

No extradition to the USA and if you're wealthy... it's a GREAT place to live.

Brother Buzz

(36,409 posts)
16. In my perfect world...
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 05:49 PM
Apr 2023

Judge Juan Marchan would place travel restrictions on the orange anus, "Do not leave the state of New York without written authorization".

Hell, even his Bedminster, New Jersey, golf course would be off limits.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
22. Damned Constitution
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 06:59 PM
Apr 2023

Eight amendment.

Of course if we want to get rid of it, we could just elect Trump again.

MichMan

(11,900 posts)
23. Yet, some people are occasionally still denied bail
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 07:06 PM
Apr 2023

Some January 6th defendants for example. Apparently still permitted under the Constitution

Most of the people arrested were allowed to go free while their cases worked their way through court. Judges decided a smaller group — often those facing the most serious charges or those who prosecutors worried might flee the country — should be locked up while they awaited trial.


The combination of a court backlogged with COVID-19-related delays, plus the lumbering nature of a massive federal criminal investigation, has stretched the "pretrial" period to as long as a year or more for some detainees.


https://www.npr.org/2022/04/14/1092580753/capitol-riot-january-6-insurrection-defendants
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
28. Trump will not be denied bail
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 08:23 PM
Apr 2023

Yes, persons charged with violent crimes are indeed denied bail based on a well established set of factors not relevant to what Trump is likely to be charged with.

Just being an asshole is insufficient.

Silent3

(15,184 posts)
29. For these NY indictments, you're completely right. But for 1/6?
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 08:32 PM
Apr 2023

We don't know the specifics yet of the indictments, but they certainly aren't for any sort of violent crimes, nothing that would classify Trump as a imminent risk.

But long ago the DoJ should have treated Trump as a violent criminal for the insurrection, and subject to denial of bail as such. Instead they've proceeded with all the speed and urgency that would be applied to tax evasion or a patent dispute.

MichMan

(11,900 posts)
32. People considered a flight risk can also be denied bail without committing violent crimes.
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 09:41 PM
Apr 2023

That was in the excerpt (and link) I posted regarding the Jan 6th defendants; some of whom have been jailed for over a year now pending trial.

Regardless, denial of bail is not prohibited by the constitution.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
31. Does he even need one to fly to one of his protectors like Russia or Saudi Arabia?
Sat Apr 1, 2023, 09:09 PM
Apr 2023

If they're going to refuse to extradite him, why would they worry about a formality like a passport? They can issue him anything they want, including full citizenship in their own countries (thinking of the Saudi Royal Family, not Putin. Who I think still needs to at least appear to follow Russian law? Maybe not...).

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