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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWill judge make him forfeit passports as flight risk?
The accused criminal has a jet capable of flying to a non extradition location.
Would othere defendants faced with over 30 counts be forced to pay bail and surrender passport in NY for real?
I ask because I know what Jack McCoy would do! Dun dun
Turbineguy
(38,136 posts)That leaves his rubes holding the bag of betrayal.
Lovie777
(14,248 posts)everything he touches dies.
Walleye
(34,231 posts)Unless he has to stop and refuel I guess
Ms. Toad
(35,231 posts)bucolic_frolic
(46,125 posts)If he rabble rouses enough base, he thinks the judicial system will wither and he'll go free.
Irish_Dem
(55,824 posts)And probably assumes he is going to wiggle out of everything, like always.
Ahna KneeMoose
(302 posts)Mme. Defarge
(8,437 posts)Ahna KneeMoose
(302 posts)no_hypocrisy
(48,231 posts)Returning to the U.S. is another issue.
Ms. Toad
(35,231 posts)Does that mean that as long as people who want to enter the US from Mexico take private transportation (jet or otherwise) that immigration laws don't apply to them (and many of them the right wants to deport are actually here legally)?
It isn't just returning to the US. Every country has immigration rules - and they apply to anyone entering the country regardless of the mode of transportation used to enter the country.
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)If some country wants Trump there, he doesnt need a passport to get in.
Ms. Toad
(35,231 posts)regardless of the means of transportation.
The assertion (twice in this thread) implied that travel by private plane was an end run around the need for a passport. It isn't.
(There may be other exceptions in the immigration law, but those don't depend on whether you enter the country by private or public transportation.)
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)If Kim Jung Un allows Trump in, hes in.
If Putin wants Trump in Russia, and Trump goes there, then some nitwit at the airport is not going to say oh, wait, he doesnt have a passport.
I dont think you understood what I said. If a country wants you there, they can let you in on any terms they want.
Ferdinand Marcos and the Shah of Iran didnt apply for visa and spend time waiting in line at an immigration checkpoint to enter and live in the US.
Robert Vesco didnt need a U.S. passport to move to Nicaragua or Cuba.
Snowden didnt have a problem obtaining Russian citizenship after being stuck in an airport with no valid passport.
Ms. Toad
(35,231 posts)You just didn't understand the post(s) I was responding to, which tied the lack of the need for a passport to traveling there by private plane.
If they want him there, and he wants to travel by public transportaion (commercial plane, train, bus, etc.), he would no more need a passport than he would if he traveled by private plane.
Again, it isn't the mode of transportation (the assertion to which I was responding) that determines whether he needs a passport.
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)A commercial airline will not fly you to another country without a passport. The reason why people think you need one to leave the country is because the airlines will be fined by the destination country and have to bring you back if they dont check.
So, no, without a passport, one cannot take commercial air to another country.
If you have your own plane (and we are not talking about Mexico or Canada) then, yes, you can fly to any country that will let you in without your passport or a visa. A commercial airline will not do that.
I dont think hes going anywhere, but if he were nonetheless inclined to do so without a passport, then having ones own plane makes a huge difference in how easy that will be to do.
Ms. Toad
(35,231 posts)The comment suggested that passports are not needed to travel to another country by a private plane. They are, as a general rule.
If he is allowed into another country without a passport, it isn't the mode of travel which exempts him from the need for a passport.
Frankly, if they really want him there without a passport, they have the means to make that happen even on a commercial airline.
And, if they don't want him there, arriving by private plane isn't going to make a whit of difference.
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Response to JT45242 (Original post)
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Lettuce Be
(2,339 posts)usonian
(12,643 posts)Despite private jet and open arms.
WAIT! That would be the big win!
Save the U.S. government loads of money.
FLEE, DONNIE, FLEE!
WarGamer
(14,556 posts)Dubai would be MUCH better.
No extradition to the USA and if you're wealthy... it's a GREAT place to live.
WarGamer
(14,556 posts)Iggo
(48,136 posts)Brother Buzz
(37,266 posts)Judge Juan Marchan would place travel restrictions on the orange anus, "Do not leave the state of New York without written authorization".
Hell, even his Bedminster, New Jersey, golf course would be off limits.
MichMan
(12,825 posts)Keep him locked up until trial
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)Eight amendment.
Of course if we want to get rid of it, we could just elect Trump again.
MichMan
(12,825 posts)Some January 6th defendants for example. Apparently still permitted under the Constitution
https://www.npr.org/2022/04/14/1092580753/capitol-riot-january-6-insurrection-defendants
Effete Snob
(8,387 posts)Yes, persons charged with violent crimes are indeed denied bail based on a well established set of factors not relevant to what Trump is likely to be charged with.
Just being an asshole is insufficient.
Silent3
(15,909 posts)We don't know the specifics yet of the indictments, but they certainly aren't for any sort of violent crimes, nothing that would classify Trump as a imminent risk.
But long ago the DoJ should have treated Trump as a violent criminal for the insurrection, and subject to denial of bail as such. Instead they've proceeded with all the speed and urgency that would be applied to tax evasion or a patent dispute.
MichMan
(12,825 posts)That was in the excerpt (and link) I posted regarding the Jan 6th defendants; some of whom have been jailed for over a year now pending trial.
Regardless, denial of bail is not prohibited by the constitution.
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)If they're going to refuse to extradite him, why would they worry about a formality like a passport? They can issue him anything they want, including full citizenship in their own countries (thinking of the Saudi Royal Family, not Putin. Who I think still needs to at least appear to follow Russian law? Maybe not...).