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malaise

(269,157 posts)
Sun Apr 9, 2023, 07:49 AM Apr 2023

Down Memory Lane with Bush ReTHUGs and the Terri Schiavo case

This shit did not start with the Slobfather.
I remember this big time because my youngest sister was dying in a hospital in Clearwater.
Then their pope died and those two things were all the priest wanted to talk about in the homily at my sister's funeral. After the service I told him that he disrespected our family with that crap.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo_case
The Terri Schiavo case was a series of court and legislative actions in the United States from 1998 to 2005, regarding the care of Theresa Marie Schiavo (born Schindler) (/ˈʃaɪvoʊ/; December 3, 1963 – March 31, 2005), a woman in an irreversible persistent vegetative state. Schiavo's husband and legal guardian argued that Schiavo would not have wanted prolonged artificial life support without the prospect of recovery, and in 1998 elected to remove her feeding tube. Schiavo's parents disputed her husband's assertions and challenged Schiavo's medical diagnosis, arguing in favor of continuing artificial nutrition and hydration.[1][2] The highly publicized and prolonged series of legal challenges presented by her parents, which ultimately involved state and federal politicians up to the level of President George W. Bush, caused a seven-year (1998 to 2005) delay before Schiavo's feeding tube was ultimately removed.

On February 25, 1990, at age 26, Schiavo went into cardiac arrest at her home in St. Petersburg, Florida. She was successfully resuscitated, but had massive brain damage due to lack of oxygen to her brain and was left comatose. After two and a half months without improvement, her diagnosis was changed to that of a persistent vegetative state. For the next two years, doctors attempted occupational therapy, speech therapy, physical therapy and other experimental therapy, hoping to return her to a state of awareness, without success. In 1998, Schiavo's husband Michael Schiavo petitioned the Sixth Circuit Court of Florida to remove her feeding tube pursuant to Florida law.[3] He was opposed by Terri's parents, Robert and Mary Schindler. The court determined that Schiavo would not have wished to continue life-prolonging measures,[4] and on April 24, 2001, her feeding tube was removed for the first time, only to be reinserted several days later. On February 25, 2005, a Pinellas County judge again ordered the removal of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube. Several appeals and federal government intervention followed, which included Bush returning to Washington, D.C., to sign legislation moving the case to the federal courts. After appeals through the federal court system that upheld the original decision to remove the feeding tube, staff at the Pinellas Park hospice facility disconnected the feeding tube on March 18, 2005, and Schiavo died on March 31, 2005.[5]

The Schiavo case involved 14 appeals and numerous legal motions, petitions, and hearings in the Florida courts; five suits in federal district court; extensive political intervention at the levels of the Florida state legislature, Governor Jeb Bush, the U.S. Congress, and President George W. Bush; and four denials of certiorari from the Supreme Court of the United States.[6] The case also spurred highly visible activism from the United States anti-abortion movement, the right-to-die movement, and disability rights groups.[7] Since Schiavo's death, both her husband and her family have written books on their sides of the case, and both have also been involved in activism over related issues.[8][9][10]

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Down Memory Lane with Bush ReTHUGs and the Terri Schiavo case (Original Post) malaise Apr 2023 OP
I'm sorry about your sister. Glad you called the priest out. GPV Apr 2023 #1
Thanks - I remember their madness as if it were yesterday malaise Apr 2023 #3
Had a narcissistic ex take over dad's. Regret not saying anything to her, but a lot GPV Apr 2023 #15
I usually say what I have to malaise Apr 2023 #39
I was there at hospice A head doctor at Morton Plant hospital stated that her exray looked like a 6' Oppaloopa Apr 2023 #35
I am so sorry for your loss. True Blue American Apr 2023 #8
Good effin grief malaise Apr 2023 #10
It was, along with listening to her go on True Blue American Apr 2023 #13
Lawyers and politicians proclaiming they are more important than doctors and know more anyway. nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2023 #2
Just like the fool in Texas malaise Apr 2023 #4
Congressman/Doctor Bill Frist diagnosed her as alert and aware by television footage. keithbvadu2 Apr 2023 #5
Effin' lunatics malaise Apr 2023 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Apr 2023 #7
By video. True Blue American Apr 2023 #9
When Rand Paul took over "house idiot doctor" job after AllyCat Apr 2023 #38
I remember it because that's where I learned the expression TurboDem Apr 2023 #11
That I will never forget malaise Apr 2023 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Apr 2023 #18
I remember that time nuxvomica Apr 2023 #12
I remember when Catkiller did that. Lasher Apr 2023 #19
As I recall the autopsy showed her brain had liquefied sarge43 Apr 2023 #31
Post removed Post removed Apr 2023 #36
Oh boy! pamdb Apr 2023 #14
Good luck plimsoll Apr 2023 #20
You'll be fine 😀 malaise Apr 2023 #23
Don't worry. You'll be fine. 97% success rate. sarge43 Apr 2023 #32
Let us not forget "Terry's Law." plimsoll Apr 2023 #16
They don't realize that these are difficult decisions malaise Apr 2023 #25
Thank you. plimsoll Apr 2023 #26
That was a right wing horror show. The Jungle 1 Apr 2023 #21
Schiavo Autopsy bpj62 Apr 2023 #22
Frist should have lost his license malaise Apr 2023 #24
You're forgetting her parents. plimsoll Apr 2023 #28
It always comes down to money malaise Apr 2023 #33
And let's not forget who would get to pay....have a living will JT45242 Apr 2023 #27
This! plimsoll Apr 2023 #29
I always tell people tnat malaise Apr 2023 #30
I'll never forget that....... Takket Apr 2023 #34
K; R CatWoman Apr 2023 #37

GPV

(72,381 posts)
15. Had a narcissistic ex take over dad's. Regret not saying anything to her, but a lot
Sun Apr 9, 2023, 09:02 AM
Apr 2023

of ppl mentioned it to me and gave her the cold shoulder at the reception.

Oppaloopa

(867 posts)
35. I was there at hospice A head doctor at Morton Plant hospital stated that her exray looked like a 6'
Sun Apr 9, 2023, 10:37 AM
Apr 2023

2 man kicked her in the back with army boots on. Being starved and dehydrated is not a painless way to go . He also remarried which was the plan after her death in a big white dress catholic church wedding.

True Blue American

(17,988 posts)
8. I am so sorry for your loss.
Sun Apr 9, 2023, 08:42 AM
Apr 2023

The Priest was dead wrong and I am glad you confronted him.

When my Husband passed suddenly 2 weeks after our Son graduated College the preachers wife handed me a pamphlet that said,” God chastises those he loves!” A very involved Church member, I never went back.

True Blue American

(17,988 posts)
13. It was, along with listening to her go on
Sun Apr 9, 2023, 08:56 AM
Apr 2023

Every Sunday about how good God was to her, knowing how many sitting in that Church had lost children and loved ones.

It is still painful.

keithbvadu2

(36,906 posts)
5. Congressman/Doctor Bill Frist diagnosed her as alert and aware by television footage.
Sun Apr 9, 2023, 08:36 AM
Apr 2023

Congressman/Doctor Bill Frist diagnosed her as alert and aware by television footage.

Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #5)

AllyCat

(16,222 posts)
38. When Rand Paul took over "house idiot doctor" job after
Sun Apr 9, 2023, 12:23 PM
Apr 2023

Frist left I knew we would never be free of these people using their doctor cred to influence people to believe unbelievable things.

TurboDem

(216 posts)
11. I remember it because that's where I learned the expression
Sun Apr 9, 2023, 08:52 AM
Apr 2023

"Jesus Christ on a trailer hitch!"


There was a man driving to the protest with a plastic jesus on a cross attached to the trailer hitch on his car.

Response to TurboDem (Reply #11)

nuxvomica

(12,442 posts)
12. I remember that time
Sun Apr 9, 2023, 08:53 AM
Apr 2023

IIRC, Republican Bill Frist, majority leader of the Senate at that time, "examined" Schiavo via video. Republicans appear incapable of respecting other people's boundaries, especially women's, as seen in the Schiavo case and all these demented abortion laws. That incapability is shared by sexual predators, which their party seems to have a lot of as well.

Kudos to you, malaise, for complaining to the priest.

sarge43

(28,945 posts)
31. As I recall the autopsy showed her brain had liquefied
Sun Apr 9, 2023, 10:07 AM
Apr 2023

My brother was in a vegetative state for three years. I had to go into court twice to get the plug pulled for my father who was in a vegetative state.

If anyone is so inclined, have a notarized living will and DNR. Do not put anyone you care for through this. I admire her husband for standing up for her and fighting the monsters who wanted both of them to suffer to make political points.

Response to sarge43 (Reply #31)

plimsoll

(1,670 posts)
20. Good luck
Sun Apr 9, 2023, 09:04 AM
Apr 2023

I'm sure you'll be fine. I get my clavicle bolted together tomorrow. The Schiavo scenario was not surgery initiated.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
23. You'll be fine 😀
Sun Apr 9, 2023, 09:17 AM
Apr 2023

I follow my mom who wrote her living will well before she died in New York in 1994.

sarge43

(28,945 posts)
32. Don't worry. You'll be fine. 97% success rate.
Sun Apr 9, 2023, 10:13 AM
Apr 2023

Had both hips done and damn glad I did. Do your post op therapy; that's the key to getting back to full recovery.

plimsoll

(1,670 posts)
16. Let us not forget "Terry's Law."
Sun Apr 9, 2023, 09:02 AM
Apr 2023

Floriduh passing a law giving the governor the power to decide on her life support.

The legal cases sanitize just how f*cked up that really was. Death threats to Michael, mobs surrounding the hospice facility, people trying to break in so they could give her a glass of water (that would actually have killed her).

I had a few years before been given the "privilege" of ending life support for my first wife. It was painful enough given that we all agreed, so I had a view into what Michael Schiavo had already had to live through. The Schiavo episode convinced me that the GOP had no actual moral compass, whatever would gin up votes would do.

I'm sorry about your sister and the experience you had. There's a quote from Roger Williams about how merging politics and religion brings the weeds of the world into the garden of the church. The priest in our parish was fantastic, but a couple years and a little bit of political chicanery can turn any marginal institution into a source of pain and suffering.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
25. They don't realize that these are difficult decisions
Sun Apr 9, 2023, 09:22 AM
Apr 2023

They should mind their own effin business.
Sorry about your first wife

plimsoll

(1,670 posts)
26. Thank you.
Sun Apr 9, 2023, 09:27 AM
Apr 2023

You're kinder than I am, I'm pretty sure they know how difficult and heart wrenching the decisions can be. They just don't care.

bpj62

(999 posts)
22. Schiavo Autopsy
Sun Apr 9, 2023, 09:11 AM
Apr 2023

When her autopsy was preformed it was determined that her brain had suffered irreplaceable damage and that she never had any chance of recovery. Nor did she have any ability to track objects like the balloon that was cited by Bill Frist as proof that she was aware. The religious right dragged her husband through the mud because he had started dating again. It was an awful spectacle and an awful abuse of governmental power over what was and should still be a family decision.

plimsoll

(1,670 posts)
28. You're forgetting her parents.
Sun Apr 9, 2023, 09:29 AM
Apr 2023

Yes he started dating again, but the dispute seems to have been over who got the money from the settlement. The religious aspects were just cudgels to get the cash.

JT45242

(2,290 posts)
27. And let's not forget who would get to pay....have a living will
Sun Apr 9, 2023, 09:28 AM
Apr 2023

This is why it is so important to have a living will and talk about this.

This sort of thing would double bankrupt most spouses (millions in legal fees and millions in health care costs).

The parents should never have had legal status in the first place. Once married, the parents are not the decision makers.

What her parents did was purely evil out of selfish motives.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
30. I always tell people tnat
Sun Apr 9, 2023, 09:30 AM
Apr 2023

my mother had a living will way back in 1994 - it is a very important document.

And you're right about her monster parents

Takket

(21,625 posts)
34. I'll never forget that.......
Sun Apr 9, 2023, 10:36 AM
Apr 2023

that entire debacle was all because her parents couldn't let go. Terry's body was abused, it was a tragic event. No one would ever even consider putting a beloved pet through such barbaric conditions, but Terry's parents did that to her because of their own selfish desire to not have to say goodbye.

The entire saga disgusted me. And you can bet my paperwork makes it clear that no one should EVER be allowed to abuse me like that.

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