Looks like the cops lied about the Nashville shooter having a "manifesto"

[Nevilledog]

https://www.newschannel5.com/news/tbi-director-shares-new-details-on-the-covenant-school-shooters-manifesto

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (WTVF) — There are exclusive new details about the so-called manifesto left by The Covenant School shooter.

Authorities have yet to release what was written publicly. But TBI director David Rausch did talk candidly about the contents of the manifesto at a Tennessee Sheriffs' Association meeting. Rausch said what police found isn't so much a manifesto spelling out a target but a series of rambling writings indicating no clear motive.

Investigators searched the Nashville home of the Covenant School shooter leaving with among other things — a number or handwritten journals, some videos and computer hard drives. Rausch told sheriffs that the review so far of the material finds that the killer did not write about specific political, religious or social issues. In fact, a primary focus in the journals is on idolizing those who committed prior school shootings.

She appears to have followed their lead planning for months and acted alone.

Scott Augenbaum — a former FBI agent — says federal agents, the TBI and police will be thorough.

"We have teams scouring the internet, social media, talking to friends, seeing what the motivation is for this. Who was behind this, what kind of clues we can learn from this?"

*snip*

[jimfields33]

1. I mean if he's writing about prior acts, isn't that motive?

[BlackSkimmer]

4. Yes, I think that's what all these shooters have, some gobbledegook filled with rage and they

call it a "manifesto."

Apparently, that particular shooter did express pre-meditation from what I'm reading.

[Effete Snob]

2. In what way did they "lie"?

"a series of rambling writings"... "idolizing those who committed prior school shootings".

Pretty sure cops aren't literary critics who are going to make some kind of fine distinction between that and a "manifesto."

[BlackSkimmer]

5. Thank you.

They always call whatever nonsense these shooters assemble as some sort of "manifesto".

Hardly a lie.

[stopdiggin]

8. agree.

This person wrote extensively, and over a period of time, expressing a fascination with, and a desire to kill people. Frankly I don't care that this body of work might have been mistakenly 'labeled' as a manifesto - and I can't imagine why it would to anyone else either.

[Raine]

9. Agree nt

[FreeState]

10. Well manifesto has an actual meaning

“a written statement declaring publicly the intentions, motives, or views of its issuer” is how dictionary.com defines it.

His writings don’t fit the definition of what is commonly known as a manifesto. Primarily:

It was not a public declaration but journals.

[Igel]

16. Which is a tangent.

If you read most of the so-"manifestoes" that we often refer to, they're rambling and disjointed.

The RW assailant of Pelosi's spouse was a (former?) Green who saw fairies (the winged supernatural kind, not people that would be slurred by the use of the term). The Ets Hayim synagogue shooter was both RW and viewed Trump as a betrayer.

If you look for coherence and consistency, you're going to be out of luck.

These things, from the well worked and consistent to the ramblingly incoherent, have been termed "manifestoes" for years. If not by definition, it's certainly established usus (cut me some slack, that's usually reserved for grammar, but can be extended to word collocations or individual words).

[Nevilledog]

11. Maybe I'm too online..RW have been arguing this mass killing was transgender related

The RW hasv been saying the manifesto wasn't being released because it would show that the killings were somehow, some way caused by the transgender agenda.

I don't see scattered writings as a "manifesto", I see them as parts of a forensic undertaking to try and figure out a motive. When most people hear "manifesto" I think they're looking at something along the lines of the Christchurch killer or the Buffalo killer.

Just an example of RW media

https://nypost.com/2023/03/29/nashville-shooter-audrey-hales-manifesto-will-be-released/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11942059/Why-never-read-transgender-Nashville-shooter-Audrey-Hales-murderous-manifesto.html

[Effete Snob]

12. Honestly who gives a shit?

I don't care if it was a violent murderous nazi or a violent murderous vegan. There is no demographic which has a monopoly on being violent and murderous.

What we can try to do is keep violent murderous people from getting their hands on guns. I don't give a fuck who they are.

[Nevilledog]

13. Transgender people and their allies care.

They are under existential threat across the country. Allowing the RW to shift reality to blame the transgender population for mass killings is dangerous to them. It also attempts to shift the debate away from the real culprit...THE GUNS.

[Effete Snob]

14. Oh, you want to "win an argument with crazy people"

spoiler alert - you won't.

You want to engage a "debate" on the terms of people who aren't interested in debate or reality.

[Nevilledog]

15. Not about winning an argument. You asked why people would care.

[Igel]

17. Not only.

There's a leitmotif that Haley was driven to it because of transphobia or trans-related abuse and hate in the past--the killer was also a victim.

Why attack the school? Because of the hate and abuse experienced there.

Not just because it was a soft target.

(Now, reports were that a mall was also considered and rejected because of security issues, but who knows? Perhaps that was also the site of transphobic interactions.)

I've read one or two of the incoherent things called "manifestoes". You cite a few adjacent sentences and they seem coherent, logical. You cite a few dozen sentences and you see a jumble of jangling, jarring nonsense. Then you realize the "few adjacent sentences" were picked *because* they seemed coherent and logical.

[grantcart]

3. Identifying journals as a manifesto hardly qualifies as a "lie".

I hope that whatever the writings are that they are never published, wish that they didn't have to publish the unibomber manifesto to catch him.

[viva la]

6. "What did we learn from this?"

""We have teams scouring the internet, social media, talking to friends, seeing what the motivation is for this. Who was behind this, what kind of clues we can learn from this?"

Hmm. We learned that AR-15s kill people fast, and that "killing people fast" is at least one of the motives of all these killers.
There is no motive that will ever make sense. There's no way even if we knew the motive to somehow use that knowledge to stop the next disturbed angry malcontent with yet another irrational motive from following suit.

But we know they each have only been emboldened and enabled to do this because they have military-level guns that kill fast.
There's some solution that I think we really ought to try AGAIN.

[yardwork]

7. THIS. So simple and rational.