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ck4829

(35,077 posts)
Fri May 5, 2023, 09:06 AM May 2023

The Fed, the Supreme Court, and Their Legitimacy

On Friday, the Federal Reserve released a thorough report documenting how, ahead of the crash of Silicon Valley Bank, its bank supervisors failed to notice obvious warning signs, and were prevented by their bosses from acting on what they did spot. As the Prospect’s David Dayen wrote, the Fed effectively publicized to the world its incompetence and disinterest in the basic work of regulation.

“As the head of the government agency responsible for supervising SVB, (Federal Reserve Chair Jerome) Powell bears responsibility for the oversight failures that precipitated its collapse,” Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz wrote at Project Syndicate last week.

Meanwhile, ProPublica’s three reports on Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas’s extravagant gifts from right-wing billionaire Harlan Crow have inspired other reporting on ethics failures from the other Court conservatives, including Chief Justice John Roberts. Senate Judiciary Committee Chair Dick Durbin called for Roberts to testify about the Court’s ethics regime, an invitation that Roberts point-blank refused, thumbing his nose at a co-equal branch of government. The Court destroyed Americans’ right to reproductive autonomy last year under nonsensical pretenses, and now has its sights trained on student debt relief under self-refuting arguments.

The Fed and the Court are the two least democratic, and arguably most powerful, branches of the federal government today. In both, we see demonstrations of one of America’s founding principles: Unchecked power wielded by unelected rulers breeds corruption, and ultimately, tyranny. The Fed is not there yet, but the Court certainly is. It is past time for our actually elected leaders, including President Biden, to say so.

https://prospect.org/power/2023-05-05-fed-supreme-court-legitimacy/

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The Fed, the Supreme Court, and Their Legitimacy (Original Post) ck4829 May 2023 OP
Greenspan and Bernanke diluted Fed influence with every trillion they created bucolic_frolic May 2023 #1
The Christofascist SCOTUS is corrupted along with the entire repug party. lark2 May 2023 #2
The Fed is finally being honest Johnny2X2X May 2023 #3
I agree on the interest rates ITAL May 2023 #4
At work Johnny2X2X May 2023 #6
That argument about your first homes in the '80s & '90s had a high interest rate is BS. intheflow May 2023 #8
agree also. mopinko May 2023 #5
For this thread LetMyPeopleVote May 2023 #7

bucolic_frolic

(43,206 posts)
1. Greenspan and Bernanke diluted Fed influence with every trillion they created
Fri May 5, 2023, 09:16 AM
May 2023

Interest rates control very little today. Only people and businesses operating at their maximum debt, marginal extremes have any reason to curtail their spending or borrowing based on the Fed's antiquated tinkering with interest rates. Growth trumps interest rates, digital communications trumps interest rates, side gigs and remote work trump interest rates. The Fed has lost control of interest rates for half the population, can't support banks because the banks are being crushed by a mountain of Fed-created T-Bills they already own, and has no credible plan that I've heard to curtail money creation through crypto. It will take the mother of all recessions to clawback this monetary monster, and I doubt Jerome Powell studies crypto very hard.

lark2

(119 posts)
2. The Christofascist SCOTUS is corrupted along with the entire repug party.
Fri May 5, 2023, 09:21 AM
May 2023

They have totally committed to the serf/baron model of the world and have to have forced birth and control of women's bodies or this will never work. Once they control us and our contraception (next step in the war), public education will be the next to go along with any public healthcare assistance. They want us working for pennies, get sick and die quickly to be replaced by the next drone to service the ultra rich.

Johnny2X2X

(19,074 posts)
3. The Fed is finally being honest
Fri May 5, 2023, 09:21 AM
May 2023

They're basically admitting their goal right now is to destroy the jobs market. 10 years ago it would have been unthinkable for them to be so open with their desire to harm the working class.

All that being said, the rate of inflation is falling, the jobs market has never been stronger, wages are up, and if we do have a recession it will be very shallow. And no one wants to say it, but interest rates are baasically back to normal right now after 15 years of cheap money propping up the economy.

ITAL

(641 posts)
4. I agree on the interest rates
Fri May 5, 2023, 09:54 AM
May 2023

This is really about where they should be. After 2008 they went super low to try and save the economy, and it worked. But then the financial sector got addicted to them being so low and it was like a drug they couldn't get off of. Maybe now they finally have.

Johnny2X2X

(19,074 posts)
6. At work
Fri May 5, 2023, 10:21 AM
May 2023

THe younger people I work with were complaining about interest rates. I'm in my 50s and I tell them about how great it was that I got a 6.8% interest rate buying my first house in the 90s. A coworker said he was proud of getting 10% in the 80s.

This is normal, right now people can get mortgages for 6.5%.

I find it odd that the same pundits who have spent the last 15 years complaining about "cheap money" being the driver of the economy and how it was all a house of cards are the same pundits who are now lamenting the fact we no longer have "cheap money" to drive the economy.

intheflow

(28,481 posts)
8. That argument about your first homes in the '80s & '90s had a high interest rate is BS.
Fri May 5, 2023, 06:58 PM
May 2023

Not that I doubt you had a higher interest rate than we’ve enjoyed these past 15 years, but you’re probably talking about a mortgage on a house that cost under $50k making about the same yearly income as your young coworkers are making now trying to buy crappy homes for 3, 4, 5 times that! The interest they’ll pay compared to what you paid is a WIDE divide. And it’s cruel for you to equate the two.

I’m 59 and bought a huge fixer-upper being foreclosed on for $50k in 1997. Made some modest repairs and improvements and sold it 3 years later for $85k. 25+ years later, I’m making about $20k more than I made in 1997 (now with two Masters! and accompanying loans) and cannot even consider buying in that same town because all the houses are now $350-400k. Could a single woman my age even get a mortgage at that rate? So I guess I’m renting for the rest of my life now.

mopinko

(70,144 posts)
5. agree also.
Fri May 5, 2023, 10:14 AM
May 2023

you can actually get a decent rate on a cd right now.
i just sold some property and at this point need safe, income producing investments. talked to my broker yesterday and she tells me there’s lots of good bonds out there now.
i remember a friend telling me in the late 70’s that he was never selling the house he was in cuz he had an 8.5% mortgage. “we’re never gonna see that again.” 6-7% is about right, i think.
low rates pushed up housing prices to cray levels in a lot of places.

seniors esp need safe investments.

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