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WhiskeyGrinder

(22,453 posts)
Mon May 8, 2023, 01:39 PM May 2023

The Problem with Planned Parenthood

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/05/15/the-problem-with-planned-parenthood

Long before Roe was overturned, providers’ desire to avoid risk—from professional ostracization to picketing to shootings—shadowed abortion care. This is why medical schools often refrained from offering training in terminating pregnancies, and why abortion procedures were not regularly performed in the vast majority of public hospitals. Since Dobbs, some medical institutions have gone further, hesitating to provide care to women such as Christina Zielke, who was rushed to a hospital in Painesville, Ohio, last September after experiencing heavy bleeding from a miscarriage. Instead of performing a dilation-and-curettage procedure to remove the pregnancy tissue from her uterus, the hospital staff discharged Zielke, apparently in response to a six-week abortion ban that had been passed by the Ohio state legislature. Zielke was soon lying in a bathtub in a pool of blood, wondering if she would die. After she lost consciousness, her family called 911, and paramedics eventually took her back to the hospital, where a doctor performed the procedure.

Such horror stories are a predictable consequence of the fear that criminalizing abortion has spread through the medical community. For fifty years, Roe protected providers from legal risks like the ones taken on by the Jane Collective, an underground network of women in Chicago. Collective members arranged more than eleven thousand illegal abortions in the late nineteen-sixties and early seventies, until a team of detectives raided their makeshift clinic and charged them with multiple counts of “conspiracy to commit abortion.” (Just before their cases went to trial, the Supreme Court legalized abortion.) Arguably, providers face greater legal dangers now than they did before Roe. Carole Joffe, a sociologist who has written about the history of abortion, told me that doctors who performed illegal procedures in the past “typically received sentences of a few years,” whereas physicians today face “an aggressive anti-abortion movement that, in some states, is calling for life imprisonment.” Abortion opponents have also targeted organizations such as Planned Parenthood with spurious lawsuits and violent attacks, in an effort to shut them down.

Planned Parenthood’s motto is “Care. No matter what.” These words suggest an uncompromising commitment to serving patients. Yet some pro-choice advocates feel that the group, along with other large organizations that have shaped the modern abortion-rights movement, has lately seemed more focussed on self-preservation than on taking bold risks. Tracy Weitz, a reproductive-rights scholar who directs the Center on Health, Risk, and Society, at American University, told me she is worried that these groups are being guided too strongly by attorneys whose priority is to shield them from lawsuits. The mission of Planned Parenthood is not “institutional survival,” Weitz said. “Their entire goal, their mission, is to serve patients.” If caution supersedes this goal, she warns, not only will patients suffer but the pro-choice movement will fall into a familiar trap. “One of the critiques of the abortion-rights movement is that we put too much faith in the law, believing that it would protect the right to abortion,” she said. “I think it’s ironic that all of a sudden we have turned over this movement to a whole new group of lawyers—not constitutional lawyers but risk managers.”
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The Problem with Planned Parenthood (Original Post) WhiskeyGrinder May 2023 OP
"The mission of Planned Parenthood is not 'institutional survival'" Effete Snob May 2023 #1
It'd be nice if it stopped busting unions, too. WhiskeyGrinder May 2023 #3
Given the laws in some states they have to be careful too...they have a target on their back. Demsrule86 May 2023 #13
But if PP goes, their care of women goes with it. As a practical matter, PP was historically modeled CTyankee May 2023 #2
The majority of abortions in the U.S. are provided by independent clinics. WhiskeyGrinder May 2023 #4
I Think RobinA May 2023 #6
Independent clinics also provide health care other than abortions to varying degrees, similar to PP WhiskeyGrinder May 2023 #8
No they don't...I know of not independent clinic that is not PPP near me. I suggest you send Demsrule86 May 2023 #20
Oh, maybe my terminology is confusing. In the movement, an "independent clinic" is one that WhiskeyGrinder May 2023 #22
PP does much work for poor women too. It disgust me that some who are allies would Demsrule86 May 2023 #9
Who's calling for getting rid of Planned Parenthood? WhiskeyGrinder May 2023 #17
The author of this article...he damn well knows that Roe is gone and what he suggests would Demsrule86 May 2023 #23
Calling the only place many poor women can get health care "part of the establishment" betsuni May 2023 #36
I have no idea if you are a man or woman. I lean towards a man...because women know planned Demsrule86 May 2023 #15
Yes, Me Too RobinA May 2023 #29
Thank you. PP was a lifesaver in college and in the lean years just after. nt crickets May 2023 #45
The problem is not Planned Parenthood, and let's not marybourg May 2023 #5
Holding an organization accountable is not "destroying." WhiskeyGrinder May 2023 #7
That is ridiculous...this a attempt to destroy a fine organaization. You should delete this. Demsrule86 May 2023 #11
Exactly how did they do that?nt Phoenix61 May 2023 #34
The article highlights the ways PP is ceding ground -- sometimes before it's required by law -- and WhiskeyGrinder May 2023 #39
If middle class women used PP, this wouldn't be happening leftstreet May 2023 #26
Planned Parenthood forever Easterncedar May 2023 #10
They helped me too. As a young woman, I could not afford my catastrophic health care. Demsrule86 May 2023 #12
I'm a male they were the only multigraincracker May 2023 #25
This is disgusting & inaccurate Hekate May 2023 #14
Exactly, and I don't buy the 'independent abortion clinics' either. Demsrule86 May 2023 #16
What don't you "buy" about it? WhiskeyGrinder May 2023 #18
Clinics have to be funded...so where does the money come from? I can tell you. I know of no Demsrule86 May 2023 #21
You can learn more about independent clinics here: WhiskeyGrinder May 2023 #24
Inaccurate how? WhiskeyGrinder May 2023 #19
DURec leftstreet May 2023 #27
Kick nt XanaDUer2 May 2023 #28
I read the entire article. Solly Mack May 2023 #30
Thanks for reading it. It was hard to excerpt. WhiskeyGrinder May 2023 #31
K n r nt XanaDUer2 May 2023 #32
Evening kick. WhiskeyGrinder May 2023 #33
If it doesn't survive it doesn't provide care to anyone. Phoenix61 May 2023 #35
+1 betsuni May 2023 #37
PP is very much a political organization and donates to candidates through its PAC. WhiskeyGrinder May 2023 #38
Oh please, give me a break. They donated a whopping Phoenix61 May 2023 #40
Yeah, I should have been clearer. The number you cite is direct donationst to candidates; the WhiskeyGrinder May 2023 #41
This is from open secrets. Phoenix61 May 2023 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Phoenix61 May 2023 #43
Nope, they may have been planning to but they didn't Phoenix61 May 2023 #44
Kick nt XanaDUer2 May 2023 #46
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
1. "The mission of Planned Parenthood is not 'institutional survival'"
Mon May 8, 2023, 01:43 PM
May 2023

...until the members sue the Board for crashing the institution.

Demsrule86

(68,703 posts)
13. Given the laws in some states they have to be careful too...they have a target on their back.
Mon May 8, 2023, 02:10 PM
May 2023

Fuck the New Yorker for not calling out SCOTUS and Republicans for causing all of this. This is a terrible thread. It should be deleted. It is an attack on planned parenthood and has no place here.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
2. But if PP goes, their care of women goes with it. As a practical matter, PP was historically modeled
Mon May 8, 2023, 01:44 PM
May 2023

to serve women in their communities. Health care for women is what they do. And women have relied on their care. Where else will they go? Who else will serve their needs?

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,453 posts)
8. Independent clinics also provide health care other than abortions to varying degrees, similar to PP
Mon May 8, 2023, 02:04 PM
May 2023

clinics.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,453 posts)
22. Oh, maybe my terminology is confusing. In the movement, an "independent clinic" is one that
Mon May 8, 2023, 02:35 PM
May 2023

provides abortion and other reproductive care services and is not affiliated with Planned Parenthood. Some of the ones in Minnesota include:

We Health Clinic

Red River Clinic

Whole Women's Health

Demsrule86

(68,703 posts)
9. PP does much work for poor women too. It disgust me that some who are allies would
Mon May 8, 2023, 02:04 PM
May 2023

want to get rid of planned parenthood...no way. This reeks of a GOP plot used for deception

Demsrule86

(68,703 posts)
23. The author of this article...he damn well knows that Roe is gone and what he suggests would
Mon May 8, 2023, 02:38 PM
May 2023

kill Planned Parenthood because it would undoubtedly break state laws...he is likely one of those misguided folks who think Planned Parenthood is an establishment organization.

betsuni

(25,663 posts)
36. Calling the only place many poor women can get health care "part of the establishment"
Tue May 9, 2023, 05:06 AM
May 2023

and therefore ignore the working class because corrupt. The mind reels.

Demsrule86

(68,703 posts)
15. I have no idea if you are a man or woman. I lean towards a man...because women know planned
Mon May 8, 2023, 02:11 PM
May 2023

Parenthood does much more than abortions...well care, sick care contraceptives at little to no cost. We know because we used such care. I did and so did many other women. And I would like to see where the New Yorker got their information too...I don't believe any of it. It sounds completely right-wing.

RobinA

(9,896 posts)
29. Yes, Me Too
Mon May 8, 2023, 03:29 PM
May 2023

when I was in college in the '70's that was where you got birth control and other female healthcare should you need it. That's where everybody went. Back then you didn't, at least most people didn't, discuss this kind of thing with their mothers. The girl network said Planned Parenthood was where to go. It was less intimidating than going to a GYN practice. At least in my area.

marybourg

(12,639 posts)
5. The problem is not Planned Parenthood, and let's not
Mon May 8, 2023, 01:56 PM
May 2023

destroy one of the few institutions that support low income women.

The root of the problem is the enormous investment every physician has made in their own professional education, making them ultra- cautious and -conservative in protecting themselves.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,453 posts)
7. Holding an organization accountable is not "destroying."
Mon May 8, 2023, 02:02 PM
May 2023

The work Planned Parenthood did in undermining the work other organizations were doing in Minnesota to roll back restrictions on abortion has little to do with physicians protecting themselves and was an active decision by the organization.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,453 posts)
39. The article highlights the ways PP is ceding ground -- sometimes before it's required by law -- and
Tue May 9, 2023, 08:31 AM
May 2023

what that does to the movement as a whole.

leftstreet

(36,116 posts)
26. If middle class women used PP, this wouldn't be happening
Mon May 8, 2023, 02:48 PM
May 2023

This is an issue of class, and yes PP risks tossing the healthcare of low income women overboard to save their own asses legally.

Easterncedar

(2,337 posts)
10. Planned Parenthood forever
Mon May 8, 2023, 02:05 PM
May 2023

They helped me when I was young and needed basic gynecological care and had no insurance nor access to a GP or Ob/Gyn. They have been on the front lines of some very very dangerous ideological battles and have managed to survive. I hate that they have to fight to provide healthcare. That’s the problem, and it’s one we all should be stepping up to solve.

Demsrule86

(68,703 posts)
12. They helped me too. As a young woman, I could not afford my catastrophic health care.
Mon May 8, 2023, 02:07 PM
May 2023

I would have done without care without them. And I resent this effort to destroy a group that has helped millions and millions of women

multigraincracker

(32,729 posts)
25. I'm a male they were the only
Mon May 8, 2023, 02:44 PM
May 2023

one that would provide service to me. As a 50 year old male with no children, they provided me with a low cost vasectomy. I was turned down every where else.

Demsrule86

(68,703 posts)
21. Clinics have to be funded...so where does the money come from? I can tell you. I know of no
Mon May 8, 2023, 02:32 PM
May 2023

such clinics...and I would like to see a link about this. The only ones I know are one by Evangelicals which is basically a baby-stealing operation...babies are worth money in expensive private adoptions.

Phoenix61

(17,019 posts)
35. If it doesn't survive it doesn't provide care to anyone.
Tue May 9, 2023, 04:49 AM
May 2023

Not one single man or woman. That’s what they do, provide medical care and education. They are not a political organization. Might as well get pissed the DNC doesn’t provide abortions. Makes every bit as much sense.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,453 posts)
38. PP is very much a political organization and donates to candidates through its PAC.
Tue May 9, 2023, 08:30 AM
May 2023

It's the biggest player on the block when it comes to reproductive advocacy. When it plays it safe, it takes away momentum from the movement as a whole and cedes ground that independent clinics argue should be held.

Phoenix61

(17,019 posts)
40. Oh please, give me a break. They donated a whopping
Tue May 9, 2023, 12:21 PM
May 2023

$676,765 in total to candidates in the 2022 election cycle. None of those donations were over $10,000. It’s not their job, nor their responsibility to spear head abortion rights activities. Those independent clinics want a champion? They are free to form their own PAC and donate to whoever that want.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,453 posts)
41. Yeah, I should have been clearer. The number you cite is direct donationst to candidates; the
Tue May 9, 2023, 12:57 PM
May 2023

organization spent a total of $50 million -- its most every -- on elections in 2022. They are definitely a political player and to pretend otherwise makes little sense to me.

Phoenix61

(17,019 posts)
42. This is from open secrets.
Tue May 9, 2023, 01:00 PM
May 2023

PAC Summary Data, 2021-2022
Total Raised $1,152,094
Total Spent $999,914
Begin Cash on Hand $91,117
End Cash on Hand Receipts $243,297
Debts $0
Date of Last Report December 31, 2022

Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #41)

Phoenix61

(17,019 posts)
44. Nope, they may have been planning to but they didn't
Tue May 9, 2023, 01:10 PM
May 2023

unless there’s a PAC I haven’t found
Planned Parenthood Votes
PAC Summary Data, 2021-2022
Total Raised $26,509,091
Total Spent $24,563,911
Begin Cash on Hand $1,241,390
End Cash on Hand Receipts $3,186,570
Debts $653,582
Independent Expenditures $8,167,016

All of which doesn’t change my point that if independent clinics are unhappy they are free to form their own PAC.

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