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Obama advisor Dem Axelrod said trump did ok on CNN Town Hall (Original Post) Laura PourMeADrink May 2023 OP
Because... he didn't take a shit on the stage? Grown2Hate May 2023 #1
LOL. I didn't see much of the townhall, but did watch some of CNN summary. Silent Type May 2023 #6
+1, uponit7771 May 2023 #19
He wants to keep his job. Nt helpisontheway May 2023 #2
He was well roasted on the CNN panel tonight so what does that mean? nt GuppyGal May 2023 #7
Trump was positively scorched by the CNN panels. Just A Box Of Rain May 2023 #13
well, from the point of view of the Trump campaign he did well. drray23 May 2023 #3
What the F is wrong with Axe? Big Blue Marble May 2023 #4
Truth is what we need. tRump will give us lies if we want them. Hortensis May 2023 #9
Yup. Why he said before that he was being given a Laura PourMeADrink May 2023 #26
"Our country is being destroyed by stupid people -- by very stupid people." Hortensis May 2023 #27
More than stupidity. Feel Laura PourMeADrink May 2023 #28
Interactive. They created him too and were really alarming Hortensis May 2023 #30
New one - all fact checkers are dishonest and have been hacked. nt Laura PourMeADrink May 2023 #32
Lol, great. Heard he said something else today of Hortensis May 2023 #36
There are so many facets to this event. The effect on Laura PourMeADrink May 2023 #37
Yes. To me the "women" facet suggests special promise. Hortensis May 2023 #38
Yes! Altho they knew that ugly before - all you said + Laura PourMeADrink May 2023 #39
Anxious here too. Hortensis May 2023 #40
Smart people may be smart in a few certain spheres ExWhoDoesntCare May 2023 #43
Yes :). Laura PourMeADrink May 2023 #44
Please watch. Axe laid on a bunch of trump criticism. Did not hear him Silent Type May 2023 #10
Axelrod is a professional communicator NJCher May 2023 #11
Translated... He legitimized trump, the devil incarnate Laura PourMeADrink May 2023 #12
Axelrod did nothing of the sort. Just A Box Of Rain May 2023 #14
? NJCher May 2023 #21
He did do well. From his strategic perspetive. tman May 2023 #5
He already has the nomination Johnny2X2X May 2023 #25
He did well at licking his base's asshole. That is all. nt GuppyGal May 2023 #8
But he cannot win by only appealing to his "base" TexasBushwhacker May 2023 #15
Yes, he can. Because he just needs his base to be successful in their insurrection this time around. W_HAMILTON May 2023 #20
Stoddard said same thing. We have to take this Laura PourMeADrink May 2023 #33
The thing is... Even if a handful of people like Cornyn Laura PourMeADrink May 2023 #22
Can hardly wait for what van Jones has to say. UTUSN May 2023 #16
He was on CNN panel afterwards. Said nothing remotely positive about trump and Silent Type May 2023 #17
Wow UTUSN May 2023 #18
Forgot... Why are we supposed to not like him? :) Laura PourMeADrink May 2023 #23
Trump has been saving the same old bullshit lies for years. Emile May 2023 #24
Yes. But here he had this eerie calm. He is now 100% Laura PourMeADrink May 2023 #31
Axelrod Said Trump Has Proved There's Some Advantage To Being A Sociopath And A Politician MayReasonRule May 2023 #29
Should we give up? Kingofalldems May 2023 #34
Why do people react to edhopper May 2023 #41
Got any video on your assertion? Kingofalldems May 2023 #35
Must be because President Biden poll numbers went up Emile May 2023 #42

Grown2Hate

(2,010 posts)
1. Because... he didn't take a shit on the stage?
Wed May 10, 2023, 11:06 PM
May 2023

If you ask me, he did. The bar is SO fucking low for that piece of shit (TFG, not Axelrod).

Silent Type

(2,900 posts)
6. LOL. I didn't see much of the townhall, but did watch some of CNN summary.
Wed May 10, 2023, 11:12 PM
May 2023

What I heard from Axlerod and others — except for the Republican Congressman— was a bunch of criticism of trump. But, he might have said that meaning trump didn’t hurt himself with his rube base.

Don’t think trump helped himself.

drray23

(7,627 posts)
3. well, from the point of view of the Trump campaign he did well.
Wed May 10, 2023, 11:08 PM
May 2023

he steamrolled the moderator, had a friendly audience applauding and laughing at his jokes. From a campaign point of view on the Trump side, it's success. He got a free prime time slot to basically have a Trump rally.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. Truth is what we need. tRump will give us lies if we want them.
Wed May 10, 2023, 11:16 PM
May 2023

From what I saw, tRump did just fine, and the audience's appreciation, clapping at his most despicable lies, and even cheering, told people what to think. Told them treason was fine. Giving him another try to pull it off is not just respectable but a good thing. This is what CNN did for him and to the nation.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
26. Yup. Why he said before that he was being given a
Thu May 11, 2023, 09:12 AM
May 2023

golden opportunity he could not refuse... He knew he could talk over moderator. He knew the audience would be all Rs.

It allowed him to solidify and bolster his crazy brainwashing ideas. Truly scary

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
27. "Our country is being destroyed by stupid people -- by very stupid people."
Thu May 11, 2023, 10:39 AM
May 2023

As honest, realistic, and high-minded as he will ever get.

Those people are scary, all right. Their authoritarian strongman's never given even one sign of humanitarian constraint or principle, and they apparently love him for it. Also that the monster he became with even limited presidential power had giant fangs and claws, and they want him back, unchained.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
28. More than stupidity. Feel
Thu May 11, 2023, 12:37 PM
May 2023

It's some sort of scary brainwashing and rallying of people who aren't stupid too. But for whatever reason, are caught in his spell.

Sure do wish mental health experts would offer opinions and help to people who have loved ones like this.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
30. Interactive. They created him too and were really alarming
Thu May 11, 2023, 01:00 PM
May 2023

last night. Right about not "stupid," but that's his term for almost anyone who bothers him in some way. They bother me big time.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
36. Lol, great. Heard he said something else today of
Thu May 11, 2023, 10:06 PM
May 2023

note to DoJ investigators, who are of course monitoring every public appearance.

CNN leadership under fire after ‘disastrous’ Trump town hall

Journalists at CNN and others outside the organization called the town hall a “debacle,” a “disaster” and “CNN’s lowest moment.”
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
37. There are so many facets to this event. The effect on
Fri May 12, 2023, 06:48 AM
May 2023

CNN itself, on Kaitlin Collins, on trump, on Republicans, on Democrats, on basic truth, on politics in 2023.

And with each facet, there seems to be good and bad outcomes. For instance, one could make the argument that airing trump's pathological lies can help our side - motivating us by reminding us how dangerously crazy the man is. Hence the bump in Joe Biden's approvals? Hence Katzenberg's funding offer?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
38. Yes. To me the "women" facet suggests special promise.
Fri May 12, 2023, 10:46 AM
May 2023

He used this first presidential campaign (!) event to display open contempt and hostility toward at least 3 named women, including the "nasty" moderator, plus inferred toward women in general.

Bragging about overturning Roe while knowing it strips rights most women value and all need. Refusing repeatedly to say he wouldn't ban abortion nationally, instead alarmingly lying that women are having abortions at "nine months." Smearing Carroll and more Access Hollywood bragging, instead of segueing to fake concern for victims. Unspeakable cruelty against children was wonderfully successful, to be resumed.

Quintessential tRump just from that show. Hopefully, the cheers from an audience apparently scraped up from one of his rallies will encourage him to continue exposing himself. The MORE female interviewers to inspire him, the better.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
39. Yes! Altho they knew that ugly before - all you said +
Fri May 12, 2023, 01:10 PM
May 2023

+ Access Hollywood tape. OMG you made me think of the horrible way he treated Carly Fiorino.

*Think he knew he almost won in 2020. If he can keep that constituency + concentrate more on close states... Boom. Why he has no desire to moderate & expand
He dug his heels in.

Anxious to see his polling post-town hall.



Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
40. Anxious here too.
Fri May 12, 2023, 04:40 PM
May 2023

I suspect by now most of the more rational ones are avoiding the truth of what they've been part of. So still dangerous. Far, far better to be in our position heading into 2024, tho -- the majority and the good guys.

Off to make comfort food for dinner.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
43. Smart people may be smart in a few certain spheres
Fri May 12, 2023, 09:59 PM
May 2023

But can be profoundly stupid in others.

Linus Pauling is a great example of someone brilliant who became a complete idiot over vitamin C.

Silent Type

(2,900 posts)
10. Please watch. Axe laid on a bunch of trump criticism. Did not hear him
Wed May 10, 2023, 11:16 PM
May 2023

say above because didn’t watch whole show, but he might have said it in context of trump satisfied his rube base.

NJCher

(35,662 posts)
11. Axelrod is a professional communicator
Wed May 10, 2023, 11:32 PM
May 2023

and professional communicators often speak and think in terms of how the situation comes off to the target audience.

I didn't see it, but if I had to guess, that would be my guess.

Context.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
12. Translated... He legitimized trump, the devil incarnate
Wed May 10, 2023, 11:51 PM
May 2023

Not a matter of our guy v their guy - like some kind of normalcy.

NJCher

(35,662 posts)
21. ?
Thu May 11, 2023, 03:17 AM
May 2023

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying, but if you think I am saying Axelrod legitimized trump, that would not be correct.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,185 posts)
15. But he cannot win by only appealing to his "base"
Thu May 11, 2023, 12:08 AM
May 2023

He has to appeal enough to the more centrist Republicans and Independents in order to win. His support is dwindling. When someone like John Cornyn says he's unelectable, it means something.

W_HAMILTON

(7,864 posts)
20. Yes, he can. Because he just needs his base to be successful in their insurrection this time around.
Thu May 11, 2023, 03:13 AM
May 2023

Maybe start to look at it from that perspective instead of the naive viewpoint that a man that already fomented January 6th and just praised those insurrectionists is trying to win via the democratic way and you will realize how dangerous this all is.

His goal isn't to win over voters -- his goal is to radicalize his supporters into successfully overthrowing democracy and installing him as president this time around.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
33. Stoddard said same thing. We have to take this
Thu May 11, 2023, 09:04 PM
May 2023

super seriously. She said Biden only won EC because of 44,000 votes in 2020

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
22. The thing is... Even if a handful of people like Cornyn
Thu May 11, 2023, 09:04 AM
May 2023

Spurn trump... Where can they go? They may support Hutchinson or DeSantis... But they are not likely to beat TFG in primary.

So just brainstorming here... Where do they go in general? Hold nose and vote for trump, vote for JB, or not vote. That's a huge duh, huh lol

Good news, like you say, his base doesn't grow.

Silent Type

(2,900 posts)
17. He was on CNN panel afterwards. Said nothing remotely positive about trump and
Thu May 11, 2023, 01:02 AM
May 2023

even jumped all over the GOPer Congressman on the panel.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
31. Yes. But here he had this eerie calm. He is now 100%
Thu May 11, 2023, 02:16 PM
May 2023

emersed in these boldface lies and theories like never before. I m h o
They matter of fact - ly just roll off his tongue now like gospel. And whenever moderator tried to insert truth it just bounced right off him.

Would love to hear debate/communication experts talk about who/how ANYONE could combat this. It was easier before because he acted so wild and rude too.

MayReasonRule

(1,461 posts)
29. Axelrod Said Trump Has Proved There's Some Advantage To Being A Sociopath And A Politician
Thu May 11, 2023, 12:50 PM
May 2023

Machiavelli and Darwin always apply.

edhopper

(33,575 posts)
41. Why do people react to
Fri May 12, 2023, 04:46 PM
May 2023

saying Trump will be formidable as if it is admitting defeat. It's just realistic.

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