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applegrove

(118,696 posts)
Sun May 14, 2023, 05:32 PM May 2023

CNN expert says the first thing that will happen in a debt default is interest

rate will go up. Someone tell that to the GOP base. They hate inflation. They hate intest rates ballooning. Do they hate that more that the rich not having to face IRS oversight like regular people do? I don't think so.

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CNN expert says the first thing that will happen in a debt default is interest (Original Post) applegrove May 2023 OP
So I should lock in my home improvement loan now then NickB79 May 2023 #1
I can't give you that advice. The default may not happen. I'm no expert. applegrove May 2023 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author GuppyGal May 2023 #3
When right Rebl2 May 2023 #4
But the rich love economic disasters orthoclad May 2023 #5
CNN Credibility Now Negative usonian May 2023 #6
Did he explain WHICH interest rate? And by what mechanism? A HERETIC I AM May 2023 #7
I think it was in the context of foreigners needing higher interest applegrove May 2023 #8
Fuck QNN and their expert miss-nasty May 2023 #9
The GOP wants inflation. The want ballooning interest rates. They want economic catastrophe. Silent3 May 2023 #10

NickB79

(19,253 posts)
1. So I should lock in my home improvement loan now then
Sun May 14, 2023, 05:34 PM
May 2023

Before I'm looking at double digit interest rates.

Response to applegrove (Original post)

Rebl2

(13,523 posts)
4. When right
Sun May 14, 2023, 05:43 PM
May 2023

wing middle class people that depend on their social security and Medicare see it disappear, they will be very angry, along with the rest of us.

orthoclad

(2,910 posts)
5. But the rich love economic disasters
Sun May 14, 2023, 05:46 PM
May 2023

They treat them as buying opportunities, where they use their hoarded stolen wealth to snap up everything they can at fire sale prices.

Then the corporate media tells everyone it's somebody else's fault.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,370 posts)
7. Did he explain WHICH interest rate? And by what mechanism?
Sun May 14, 2023, 06:09 PM
May 2023

It's important to remember that although related, the interest rate paid to holders of US Treasury Bonds and the rate that your bank charges you for a new mortgage, car loan or credit card are two completely different things. This entire fiasco regarding the debt ceiling has to do with Treasury bonds, NOT bank interest rates.

The first thing that will happen is a massive international selloff of US Treasury bonds of all maturities, from 30 day paper to 30 year bonds. Why would the holders want to sell? Because even if they don't, the next auction of Treasuries, when it finally comes, will see the primary dealers bid the price of the bonds DOWN through the floor. Since interest yield moves to the inverse of price with bonds, that will see a massive spike in yields, meaning buyers will demand a higher rate of return for the newer perceived risk. If you're a central bank or a sovereign wealth fund or whatever and hold a large amount of US Treasury bonds on your books, and you haven't sold the bonds you own before that happens, your balance sheet will be bleeding more red than the elevator scene in "The Shining".

It bears mentioning that the interest rates the Treasury has had to pay on their longer maturity paper over the last 15 or so years has been at a historic low. After the Great Recession started to wane and the market bottomed out in March of 2009, the rate on the 10 year (the benchmark "Risk Free Security" ) Treasury was and has stayed mostly in a range between 3 and 4%, briefly dipping down to 1% and below in 2020.

The 30 year was about a percentage point higher, for the most part.

This is exceptionally cheap money. During a portion of Reagan's term we were issuing 30 year bonds with a coupon of 10%! With yields at times spiking to 15%. We have been able to fund the absurd deficit spending the US Government has done (because they refuse to raise tax rates on the people with all the money) at very low interest rates for the last 15 years because demand for our bonds has been high. If they don't raise the ceiling that demand will evaporate.

If the Treasury is prohibited from auctioning off new debt to cover a coupon payment or to fully redeem a maturing series of notes, the news will spread worldwide in seconds and the bid prices of bonds will plummet.

It will be a financial catastrophe that will make late 2008 look like a walk in the park.


applegrove

(118,696 posts)
8. I think it was in the context of foreigners needing higher interest
Sun May 14, 2023, 06:28 PM
May 2023

rates in the USA to want to have anything to do with the US. Does that help?

Silent3

(15,234 posts)
10. The GOP wants inflation. The want ballooning interest rates. They want economic catastrophe.
Sun May 14, 2023, 07:10 PM
May 2023

They don't care how much misery they cause, so long as voters take out their anger on Biden and all Democrats.

The American public is quite stupid enough wrongly place the blame for a Republican-created mess, just the way Republicans hope they will.

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