an alternative to the debt ceiling besides the 14th

[moonshinegnomie]

just shut off ALL payments to red states. not one dollar. not SS checks,no federal aid,not a single dollar.

that should allow the rest of the country to continue on as normal while the red states suffer. and when the red states start crying offer them the choice. either a clean debt ceilin increase (or better a repeal) or else they can continue to suffer.

i excpect it would take no more than a day or 2 for them to see the light

[former9thward]

1. Included in that will be the complete cut off of money/pay to the military bases in red states.

And that includes all of our nuclear bases with silos in red states. Not a dime!

[TexasTowelie]

2. Thanks for having no regard as to whether I eat or receive any medical care.

I'm on SSI, Medicaid and SNAP. I didn't do anything to you so why do you want to hurt me?

[moonshinegnomie]

4. if a court says the 14th cant be used to prevent default you dont get paid anyways

use of the 14th would be the ideal situation to get rid of the debt ceiling once and for all but if that fails and the choice is either a full default that screws everyone or just hitting the red states the choice is clear. and i live in a red state and my wife is on SS and medicare

[TexasTowelie]

7. At least it appears that your family is receiving some income and will have a roof over your heads.

The same isn't true in my situation.

Besides, it will take months before a court would have a hearing about the constitutionality of invoking the 14th amendment, which will then be sent to an appellate court and finally the Supreme Court. Thus, one of two outcomes will occur:

1) It is constitutional to invoke the 14th amendment and I'll continue collecting the benefits rather than experiencing the draconian cuts you are proposing.
2) It is unconstitutional, and everyone is screwed but at least during the time a decision is awaited I will be collecting the benefits rather than experiencing the draconian cuts you are proposing.

So now matter what the outcome is regarding the constitutionality of invoking the 14th amendment at least for some period of time I will be receiving some benefits. It would be nice not to ever have to worry about the debt ceiling impacting those benefits ever again, but in the meantime something is better nothing.

Finally, we really need to stop with this red state/blue state crap. This is the United States so everyone is both part of the problem and part of the solution. If the ship sinks, there are no other boats to get into. Any proposal of this nature is only going to result in retaliation so why even suggest going down that rabbit hole?

[moonshinegnomie]

8. it wouldnt take months for a hearing

it would be only a matter of days for a court to either approve or deny a restraining order.


as for it being the united states and retaliation teh GOP has already destroyed that concept.

[TexasTowelie]

9. The initial hearing would occur quickly, but the appellate process will take some time.

I agree that the GOP is despicable, but I don't see any positive benefit for the country if Democrats behave like Republicans.

[Karadeniz]

3. Perhaps that's what it would take to make the constituents realize that politics isn't a game and

they shouldn't vote for grandstanding radicals. Oops, the above reply shows why it wouldn't work!

[TheRealNorth]

5. Trump did this to blue states during Covid....

He held back masks and medical equipment from blue states until the governor supplicated.

So I see no issue with the Executive Branch "priortizing" whatever funding there is to carry out the budget priorities approved by Congress.

[raging moderate]

11. Yes, Blue State governors had to really step up to sneak in needed equipment!

I remember the Democratic governor of Illinois arranging for a plane to bring in some medical equipment in the middle of the night, right? And other unusual maneuvers by other governors. Even the moderate Republican governor of Maryland was said to have pulled some good little needed subterfuges.

[usonian]

6. I was wondering about moving military/government facilities

Biden administration may halt plans to move Space Command to Alabama over state's abortion law, officials say
Administration officials have signaled to the Pentagon and lawmakers that they want to reverse the decision to move the headquarters from Colorado to Alabama.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/biden-admin-may-halt-move-space-command-alabama-abortion-law-rcna84336

Why put people in harm's way?
Space Centers?

[Hortensis]

10. Yet another wishing ill on decent people, many of whom voted

against their representatives.

Please, next time imagine it's YOUR income cut off indefinitely, your stores closing, your neighborhood full of empty homes and crashing equity as former neighbors leave to find jobs, plus all the rest.

Not thinking or caring about what the consequences of what they want, even wishing!, is not an excuse for the MAGAs, so why should it be for anyone else?

[raging moderate]

12. Maybe Democrats could help you guys on the sly.

Maybe they could somehow just expose the pretenses of the right-wingers in the government, who are not really helping their lower-income constituents, and then help these people get some truly good benefits and resources.

[MiniMe]

13. You forgot, no pay for congress until they solve this problem