Stand your ground set the stage: How we let fascism creep in

[marmar]

Stand your ground set the stage: How we let fascism creep in
Stand your ground has been the principle of people who want to control other people forever

By SCOTT HULER
PUBLISHED MAY 22, 2023 5:37AM (EDT)


(Salon) "Who Killed Jordan Neely?"

Of course, everyone knows he was killed by the chokehold applied by an ex-marine who throttled him on a New York subway train; it's on video. The real question is what killed Neely, and I can answer that.

Stand your ground killed Jordan Neely.

The stand your ground principle, as written into law, means if you're doing something I don't like I get to kill you.

If you're trying to understand why the man in Texas killed his neighbors when they asked him to stop shooting his gun in his yard near midnight so their baby could sleep, the answer is stand your ground. If you want to understand why the man shot the Black child who came to the wrong house to pick up his young siblings, the answer is stand your ground. The girl who pulled into a driveway to turn around, the girls who approached the wrong car, the child whose basketball rolled into the wrong yard.

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This is stand your ground culture. And stand your ground is stupid on its best days; most days it's wicked. "Get off my lawn" is infantile, but at least it's based in reality: it is after all your lawn and you get to say who gets to stand on it, even if you're kind of a boob. And once the offending party gets off your lawn, tempers cool. But what if you decide the whole world is your lawn? Like Hitler did, like Stalin did, like Mussolini did, like George Zimmerman did?

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For a long time it was fun to note that the motto of conservatives and gun nuts was "Death before discomfort," because they're willing to engage in total political war over anything in any way less than exactly what they want. School library has a book you don't like? Don't tell your kid not to read it: demand that the entire school system remove the book from the library. Don't like birth control? It's not enough not to use it; you need to make sure nobody else can. Don't like gay marriage? It's not enough to not marry someone gay; you need to make sure nobody you don't approve of can get married. ..........(more)

https://www.salon.com/2023/05/22/stand-your-ground-set-the-stage-how-we-let-fascism-creep-in/

[AndyS]

1. Some will say it's only a symptom of ma larger disease.

I say the symptom is the disease.

[EmmaLee E]

2. It's okay to shoot if you FEEL you are threatened ...

Takes away any reasonableness from the law.
No matter how hateful, if someone FEELS threatened, they are not liable for violence.

Beware this standard in other instances, for example, rape.
If a man FEELS that the woman wants his advances (no matter that she says 'NO')
then he is not liable for acting on his feelings, no matter how unreasonable.

[SYFROYH]

3. There is no SYG law written as this author suggests

Most SYG laws refer to using lethal force when threatened and a reasonable person standard applies.

Yes there are gray areas and some SYG cases are horrendous, but it is not true that…

… The stand your ground principle, as written into law, means if you're doing something I don't like I get to kill you.