Joe has said over and over that we will not default on debt

[Beachnutt]

I trust our President Biden as a seasoned legislator and think he is not showing his hand to the republicans.
I think he will use the 14th amendment as a last resort but is not going to forewarn his adversaries.

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	He should use it as last resort
	23 (64%)
	He should not use it at all
	1 (3%)
	He should use the threat of it now
	12 (33%)
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[Rebl2]

1. He is a

seasoned senator, but he’s never had to deal with so many house members that belong to the cult of trump magats

[tritsofme]

2. How could he "use it now" when the debt ceiling has not been breached?

I feel like most discussion of the 14th amendment has really jumped the shark.

[Beachnutt]

3. It doesn't say use it now

it says use the THREAT of it now.

[lame54]

12. Gives them more time to prepare their appeal...

Which is the thing holding Joe back

[Marthe48]

4. I think he should threaten and then use

Also, get somebody to arrest the traitors in Congress who abetted, supported and still defend trump's soldiers. They might not have guns, but as sure as I'm typing this, they are enemies of our democracy.

[marble falls]

5. Joe keeps his promises. But if he wanted to tax all that TFG giveaway back, I'd support it ...

... I'm not worried. Joe Biden has got this. McCarthy will back off once the GOP realizes Joe will not blink and McCarthy is as cluelessly hell bound and as ignorant as he looks.

What he paid for the speaker-ship has to have gone down as one of the most boneheaded self-screwing deals of all time: just to hold the gavel for two years.

[doc03]

6. It is too late now, we will defaut if he doesn't

come to an agreement with the Rethugs or he uses the 14th.

[kelly1mm]

9. Using the 14th is not a silver bullet. Litigation will ensue and borrowing costs will explode

due to uncertainty. Basically bringing on most of the economic damage of default anyway. The R's will trumpet the economic damage saying 'see this is what happens when Biden goes it alone' and the media will lap it up. Some Judge will issue a restraining order and throw some more wrenches in the system and ultimately, we get the USSC to decide if the 14th makes the debt ceiling unconstitutional. Are we really going to ultimately put our trust in this USSC? Because that's what using the 14th means.

[doc03]

16. The alternative is agree to all of the Republican's demands and even if he does

they will move the goal posts. The Coup Caucus wants to bring our government down. I
don't think he will have a choice.

[kelly1mm]

17. That looks like what it is coming down to. The question for the President is does he capitulate

and save the US (and by extension world) economy but slash the already skimpy US safety net and embolden R's future demands or put the US into default, or default-lite by evoking the 14th Amendment, watching some/most of the economic fallout of true default occur anyway and put his trust in this USSC to back him up. Not any kind of good options as far as I can see.

[gibraltar72]

7. I think he has softened that not gonna do it.

Might have been part of the plan. Recently said he has the right to. Maybe "look what the Republicans made me do to save your Social Security" etc.

[kelly1mm]

10. Using the 14th is not a silver bullet. Litigation will ensue and borrowing costs will explode

due to uncertainty. Basically bringing on most of the economic damage of default anyway. The R's will trumpet the economic damage saying 'see this is what happens when Biden goes it alone' and the media will lap it up. Some Judge will issue a restraining order and throw some more wrenches in the system and ultimately, we get the USSC to decide if the 14th makes the debt ceiling unconstitutional. Are we really going to ultimately put our trust in this USSC? Because that's what using the 14th means .....

[Elessar Zappa]

13. Biden could ignore an unfavorable Supreme Court ruling.

Of course that would set a very dangerous precedent but it’s something he could do.

[kelly1mm]

14. He could also declare martial law, launch a nuclear strike against Canada and arrest all sitting

Republican members of Congress (and Sen. Manchin just for giggles). Somehow I doubt those are in the realm of possibility along with ignoring an order of the USSC.

[Chainfire]

8. He clearly said he would not let it happen and I believe him.

[David__77]

11. He should say there's no chance of default under any circumstance.

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[Beachnutt]

15. Exactly, It is written in the constitution so if Joe let's America default

he has broken the law....correct ?

[CTyankee]

18. That's exactly the way I see it. He MUST use it. The pukes fool nobody.