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In It to Win It

(8,254 posts)
Mon May 22, 2023, 05:22 PM May 2023

Biden Is the Centrist President Everyone Says They Want

https://thetriad.thebulwark.com/p/biden-is-the-centrist-president-everyone


1. Biden Stans

One of the criticisms I often hear about Joe Biden is that he’s a tool of the progressive left who has given them full run of the store.

This doesn’t make a ton of sense! It seems to me that many (most?) lefty progressives are frequently frustrated by Biden because of his tendency to compromise with Republicans and conservative Democrats—as well as his reluctance to wade into the kind of big, structural fights that liberals believe are necessary.1

From where I sit, it looks like Biden is the centrist president everyone always says they want.2

Biden passed the American Rescue Plan that included a lot of spending, but it was short on progressive give-aways and long on help for working families. The Inflation Reduction Act was passed on party line, but was full of spending for rural states. He passed a bipartisan gun reform law that was modest enough to leave gun-reform advocates wanting a lot more. He accomplished a big infrastructure spending law with large-scale Republican support.3 He passed the CHIPS Act to jump-start domestic semiconductor manufacturing with lots of Republican votes. He passed the Respect for Marriage Act with loads of Republican votes, too.
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Biden Is the Centrist President Everyone Says They Want (Original Post) In It to Win It May 2023 OP
Agreed Mad_Machine76 May 2023 #1
'refer to him mockingly as a 1980's era Republican' emulatorloo May 2023 #9
I know right?! Mad_Machine76 May 2023 #11
1980s moderate Republican, you say? Earth-shine May 2023 #16
He sounds more like he would be a 1950's era Republican Mad_Machine76 May 2023 #20
But who's feeding the "Mockers".. Cha May 2023 #17
Oh I agree Mad_Machine76 May 2023 #18
I know you don't think like that, Mad.. Cha May 2023 #19
I actually think Biden is more liberal than he gets credit for. FalloutShelter May 2023 #2
+1 EmmaLee E May 2023 #4
++++ emulatorloo May 2023 #8
Biden will take off his aviators, slap a platinum trilly on the table,& yell "How about that, Jack?" Hekate May 2023 #3
Is "moderate left" even recognized as a thing on Fox News? Shermann May 2023 #5
Biden's a left liberal. emulatorloo May 2023 #6
Yes. According to the American Conservative Union ratings, his score was 12.56. betsuni May 2023 #13
Biden ran as centrist but since he took office he doc03 May 2023 #7
He's been more liberal than I expected, mzmolly May 2023 #10
I think Biden is outperforming FDR Kennah May 2023 #12
Probably why he'll win re-election fairly easily ColinC May 2023 #14
I am happy with President Biden be a centrist LetMyPeopleVote May 2023 #15

Mad_Machine76

(24,414 posts)
1. Agreed
Mon May 22, 2023, 05:35 PM
May 2023

I don't have Trumpers on my social media feeds but I have lots of left-wing friends there who are constantly angry and frustrated with him (and Democrats in general) and often refer to him mockingly as a 1980's era Republican, which makes me chuckle every time I hear people on the right call him some kind of a left-wing radical. I think it's fair to say that he has been a bit better than some people thought he might be in terms of trying to advance progressive causes, but he is no radical. He is a centrist/moderate liberal.

emulatorloo

(44,131 posts)
9. 'refer to him mockingly as a 1980's era Republican'
Mon May 22, 2023, 06:20 PM
May 2023

No doubt people who weren’t alive in the 80’s or actually know anything about the Reagan years. Makes me chuckle too when I read that stuff on reddit or twitter.

Mad_Machine76

(24,414 posts)
11. I know right?!
Mon May 22, 2023, 07:09 PM
May 2023

It drives me crazy. From what I can remember, Republicans were less sh**ty in the 1980’s but they were still shi**ty but almost none of them were pro-choice, pro-same-sex marriage, pro-LGBTQ, etc. Their description of Biden as a “Republican” is………illogical.

Mad_Machine76

(24,414 posts)
20. He sounds more like he would be a 1950's era Republican
Mon May 22, 2023, 10:55 PM
May 2023

more than a 1980’s one. But socially he was still so much more progressive than Republicans of almost any era.

Cha

(297,311 posts)
17. But who's feeding the "Mockers"..
Mon May 22, 2023, 09:04 PM
May 2023

Susan Sarandon, Krystal Ball, MW fans, ..? I say consider the source.

I think Pres Biden is a practical Progressive.. with all the Forces against him he Strives to Get Things Done to Better Our Lives and the Life of our Country and Planet.

He's the one who WON.. nobody else did.. he got us where we are today.

I absolutely hate those who mouth off but don't know what they're talking about.

This is our Democracy we're Fighting to SAVE.

Mad_Machine76

(24,414 posts)
18. Oh I agree
Mon May 22, 2023, 10:52 PM
May 2023

That opinion is certainly not my own. As somebody much older than some of my 20-something or 30-something friends, I have to explain to some of them how government actually works and why some things can’t or won’t be done the way they think it is.

FalloutShelter

(11,869 posts)
2. I actually think Biden is more liberal than he gets credit for.
Mon May 22, 2023, 05:48 PM
May 2023

It is somewhat unfair to criticize him for not pushing liberal priorities that I JOE knows he cannot get passed. Given a second term and possibly the votes in Congress… then we will see.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
3. Biden will take off his aviators, slap a platinum trilly on the table,& yell "How about that, Jack?"
Mon May 22, 2023, 05:53 PM
May 2023

I like that image Whoever this guy is, he makes some good points.

Look: I don’t know what’s going to happen with the debt ceiling. Maybe there will be no resolution and America will default. Maybe McCarthy’s demands will be so outlandish that they will be designed to trigger a default. Or maybe Biden will refuse to compromise on a reasonable Republican proposal.

Maybe, when he meets with My Kevin today, Biden will take of his aviators, slap a platinum trilly on the table, and yell, “How about that, Jack!” At which point liberals across the land will cheer.

But what if, instead, Biden gets to a compromise with Republicans? Again?

Shermann

(7,423 posts)
5. Is "moderate left" even recognized as a thing on Fox News?
Mon May 22, 2023, 05:59 PM
May 2023

It's seemingly all just one big "radical left" bucket over there.

My impression of Fox News:

Them them they blah blah they the left blah blah woke blah radical left blah blah open borders blah blah cancel culture blah blah

betsuni

(25,537 posts)
13. Yes. According to the American Conservative Union ratings, his score was 12.56.
Mon May 22, 2023, 08:26 PM
May 2023

Joe Manchin's score is 26.10, getting into actual centrist territory.

Krysten Sinema 14.19
Hillary Clinton 7.89
Barack Obama 7.56
Bernie Sanders 6.05
Amy Klobuchar 5.01
Kamala Harris 4.45
Elizabeth Warren 3.36
Al Franken 1.50

"Centrist" -- one of those insult words that when you get down to it really means "yer a capitalist."

Kennah

(14,273 posts)
12. I think Biden is outperforming FDR
Mon May 22, 2023, 07:16 PM
May 2023

He's had to contend with Manchild and Cinnabon and now Speaker Kevin McAllister.

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