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Botany

(70,724 posts)
Tue May 23, 2023, 08:49 AM May 2023

Yesterday was one of if not the worst day of Trump's life and it will just get worse.

* Neal Katyal: Trump DOJ spied electronically on Congressional enemies

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017830399

What laws didn't he break?
Cattle Rustling or maybe illegal gill net fishing for salmon?

And was he trying to cover up his work for and with Russia/Putin?

Did Bill Barr know about this? And who did this work for him? Where are the warrants for the alleged wire tapping?



If Garland and the DoJ have proof of this illegal spying by TFG on people like Adam Schiff Trump, needs
to brought in for questioning ASAP.

* E. Jean Carroll moves to amend defamation lawsuit to include Trump's statements to CNN
E. Jean Carrol is going to sue Trump for another $10 million for the shit he said on his CNN Townhall

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217935690

* Did Trump start selling out America and America's secrets from the moment he got into the White House?
"Prosecutors Sought Records on Trump's Foreign Business Deals Since 2017"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143077645

"The subpoena — drafted by the office of the special counsel, Jack Smith — sought details on the Trump Organization’s real estate licensing and development dealings in seven countries: China, France, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates and Oman, according to the people familiar with the matter. The subpoena sought the records for deals reached since 2017, when Mr. Trump was sworn in as president."

********

I will take mid July in the pool as to when TFG flees America.

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Yesterday was one of if not the worst day of Trump's life and it will just get worse. (Original Post) Botany May 2023 OP
Remember right after he took office viva la May 2023 #1
Yup Botany May 2023 #2
I remember the day he closed the door and had only Russians inside. GreenWave May 2023 #4
Even sending the US translator out, as I recall. JohnnyRingo May 2023 #26
He did the same with closed door meetings with Putler. KS Toronado May 2023 #53
That was the day of complete confirmation. He is and always has been a russian boston bean May 2023 #11
From day one Larissa May 2023 #57
It's all about the "Russia hoax" Freddie May 2023 #3
The only news agency allowed in that meeting was Tass Alice Kramden May 2023 #5
The criminal motherfuckers are laughing about Comey's ouster Ponietz May 2023 #24
"Did Trump start selling out America and America's secrets from the moment he got into the Escurumbele May 2023 #6
"Did Trump start selling out America and America's secrets from the moment he got into the ... Botany May 2023 #10
Jared Kushner read the Daily Briefing probably every day. Delmette2.0 May 2023 #19
Jerod who was denied a Top Secret clearance but Traitor Tot OMGWTF May 2023 #28
Someone who can't comprehend what they read. Delmette2.0 May 2023 #32
Like I wrote in a post yesterday, it will take Russian paratroopers dropping out of the skies into LaMouffette May 2023 #7
+1 llmart May 2023 #34
Like I have said for many years on DU DENVERPOPS May 2023 #37
I would title it: "While America Watched TV." LaMouffette May 2023 #64
I agree. LoisB May 2023 #39
Trump is the complete crooked politician. Day 1 and he is setting up NCjack May 2023 #8
THIS malaise May 2023 #17
Must be tough livingim his ivory tower Alpeduez21 May 2023 #9
It wasn't that bad, he's still walking free. nt Hotler May 2023 #12
And grifting & running for president again. CrispyQ May 2023 #25
There are interpretor notes edhopper May 2023 #13
As I recall DENVERPOPS May 2023 #40
That alone edhopper May 2023 #44
Trump has gotten away with DENVERPOPS May 2023 #48
Interpreters write something called a MEM CON... Grasswire2 May 2023 #61
Counterpoint: quakerboy May 2023 #14
I'm almost certain that Moscow Mitch and Paul Ryan knew what Chump was doing FakeNoose May 2023 #15
Even the gold toilet has lost its luster Blue Owl May 2023 #16
Oh yes, it definitely will get worse for him PatSeg May 2023 #18
+1 nt brer cat May 2023 #21
Moscow Cherokee100 May 2023 #20
Remember when Mueller was appointed Walleye May 2023 #22
Mueller's investigation was hamstrung from the get go. Botany May 2023 #29
☝️ Good summary Walleye May 2023 #31
THIS!!☝️ onetexan May 2023 #35
Every day should be the worst day of Trump's life Orrex May 2023 #23
Didn't Jared try to set up deRien May 2023 #27
No that was Gen. Flynn and Blackwater's Erik Prince...although I have no doubt Jared would have ... Botany May 2023 #30
The worst day of his life? He hasn't been arrested and incarcerated yet. msfiddlestix May 2023 #33
As much as I'd like to see his sorry ass in an actual prison COL Mustard May 2023 #62
I agree. But I guarantee ya he'll have his cell phone at hand..burners if needs must. msfiddlestix May 2023 #63
I wish I shared your optimism. maxsolomon May 2023 #36
N.Y.'s A.G. Trish James is going after the Trump Organization for 1/4 of a billion this fall .... Botany May 2023 #41
Trump has never paid the price DENVERPOPS May 2023 #42
The JCOT has been reviewing his 77 million dollar tax refund maxsolomon May 2023 #47
Exactly DENVERPOPS May 2023 #49
Carroll gets a 9% interest accumulation for as long as Trump delays payment. Eyeball_Kid May 2023 #43
He is doing a great job ruining the repub party... rubbersole May 2023 #38
And DENVERPOPS May 2023 #45
Teamwork... rubbersole May 2023 #46
I look forward to his downfall. In exile, in jail, or in Hell. calimary May 2023 #50
Cattle rustling or salmon netting are too physical... lame54 May 2023 #51
Didn't he sell steaks? leftyladyfrommo May 2023 #55
Nice catch - where did the cattle come from? lame54 May 2023 #56
If his name was mentioned on TV, Mr.Bill May 2023 #52
May every single day of the rest of his life be his worst. ancianita May 2023 #54
When action is taken orangecrush May 2023 #58
May he never have a better one! eom lastlib May 2023 #59
K and R...Thanks for posting.. Stuart G May 2023 #60

viva la

(3,392 posts)
1. Remember right after he took office
Tue May 23, 2023, 08:52 AM
May 2023

He was yucking it up with Putin's ambassador in the Oval Office. So yeah, he was already selling us out.

And yet none if this matters to the GOP.

Botany

(70,724 posts)
2. Yup
Tue May 23, 2023, 09:00 AM
May 2023


At that meeting Trump "burned" an Israeli agent who was inside ISIS in Syria too by telling the Russians about
that agent. BTW Ambassador Kislyak was right in the middle of Russia's rat fucking the 2016 elections.

GreenWave

(6,903 posts)
4. I remember the day he closed the door and had only Russians inside.
Tue May 23, 2023, 09:07 AM
May 2023

That would have been a great sound bite if Phil Collins would permit,

"You walked out! You left us behind!"

KS Toronado

(17,602 posts)
53. He did the same with closed door meetings with Putler.
Tue May 23, 2023, 05:24 PM
May 2023

Nobody needs to know what my friend & I talk about.

boston bean

(36,229 posts)
11. That was the day of complete confirmation. He is and always has been a russian
Tue May 23, 2023, 10:04 AM
May 2023

ASSet.

I got for real shit scared for our country and our democracy. Yeah it was scary already but that day will forever live in my memory like 9/11. It was that jolting.

Larissa

(792 posts)
57. From day one
Tue May 23, 2023, 05:49 PM
May 2023

Putin has always had Trump on a choke collar. In public with Putin, Trump even tries to diminish his own height so he won't seem to tower over Pooty-Poot-Putin. Trump doesn't even pretend to hide his disloyalty to this country when it comes to polishing Pooty's knob every chance he gets. What prize from Putin could Trump possibly be jockeying for? Putin's own cronies often wind up falling out of windows, drinking "bad" tea, or getting contaminated by military grade toxins smeared on doorknobs and such.

Freddie

(9,299 posts)
3. It's all about the "Russia hoax"
Tue May 23, 2023, 09:02 AM
May 2023

I check out RCP sometimes to see what the other side is “thinking.” One of the featured articles proclaimed that the “Russia hoax” is worse than Watergate. I swear we live on 2 different planets.

Escurumbele

(3,430 posts)
6. "Did Trump start selling out America and America's secrets from the moment he got into the
Tue May 23, 2023, 09:47 AM
May 2023

White House?"

YES, and this time I hope the truth comes out.

Botany

(70,724 posts)
10. "Did Trump start selling out America and America's secrets from the moment he got into the ...
Tue May 23, 2023, 09:58 AM
May 2023

... White House?"

No it even before that. See the change in the 2016 GOP platform where Trump/Manafort made it
more Putin/Russia friendly and pulled in support of Zelenskyy/Ukraine's war with Russia & both
Gen. Flynn and Erik Prince were having secret "back channel" contacts with pro Putin Russian agents.

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/04/568310790/2016-rnc-delegate-trump-directed-change-to-party-platform-on-ukraine-support

Delmette2.0

(4,183 posts)
19. Jared Kushner read the Daily Briefing probably every day.
Tue May 23, 2023, 10:32 AM
May 2023

I bet he knew just what to keep to himself and what to tell Donald.

OMGWTF

(4,020 posts)
28. Jerod who was denied a Top Secret clearance but Traitor Tot
Tue May 23, 2023, 11:16 AM
May 2023

gave it to him anyway. Who dafuq does that?

Delmette2.0

(4,183 posts)
32. Someone who can't comprehend what they read.
Tue May 23, 2023, 11:27 AM
May 2023

So someone else has to read everything and explain in simple terms so that he understands a basic outline.



LaMouffette

(2,044 posts)
7. Like I wrote in a post yesterday, it will take Russian paratroopers dropping out of the skies into
Tue May 23, 2023, 09:53 AM
May 2023

America's heartland AND into all red states across the country and for these paratroopers to start shooting everyone in sight, like at the beginning of the movie Red Dawn, for the Trump humpers to finally remember, "Oh, yeah! That's right! The Russian government hates us and wants to destroy our country!"

DENVERPOPS

(9,004 posts)
37. Like I have said for many years on DU
Tue May 23, 2023, 11:44 AM
May 2023

The perfect title of a book written about the past 40+ years would be:

WHILE AMERICA SLEPT.......................

LaMouffette

(2,044 posts)
64. I would title it: "While America Watched TV."
Wed May 24, 2023, 08:54 AM
May 2023

Karl Marx once said that religion is the opiate of the masses.

But today, it's not religion, but addictive TV programming that is keeping Americans so distracted they are kept unaware of the destruction of our democracy that is occurring at this very moment.

I'm guilty of this myself, watching way more TV than I should. But I wonder how much more politically aware the majority of Americans would be if we still had just the four channels: ABC, NBC, CBS, and PBS.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
8. Trump is the complete crooked politician. Day 1 and he is setting up
Tue May 23, 2023, 09:57 AM
May 2023

supply, delivery, and money flow.

Alpeduez21

(1,762 posts)
9. Must be tough livingim his ivory tower
Tue May 23, 2023, 09:57 AM
May 2023

Having the press kiss his ass. Having repuke lackeys fawning all over him. Knowing the DOJ will walk on eggshells around him. I’m sure he’s just terrified of all the terrible things that are waiting for h at some point in the future. His ass should be in a ducking cell yester-fucking-day. The goddamn pentagon leaker is being held for doing less than the lazy lying steaming pile Hump does before fucking breakfast every fucking day. This is bullshit. He could be president again for ducks sake!

edhopper

(33,747 posts)
13. There are interpretor notes
Tue May 23, 2023, 10:06 AM
May 2023

that might show treason. Why are they being kept hidden. Even if classified, somebody in authority should know what was said.

DENVERPOPS

(9,004 posts)
40. As I recall
Tue May 23, 2023, 11:49 AM
May 2023

there were many times he didn't even let the secretary, who recorded what was said, into the meeting. And several times that the Secretary was there and Trump personally asked for the notes after the meeting, and tore them up..........

DENVERPOPS

(9,004 posts)
48. Trump has gotten away with
Tue May 23, 2023, 12:13 PM
May 2023

Corruption and Illegal shit his entire life, why would he stop now.??????????

He didn't actually think he would win the election in 2016, but once it happened, by hook or by crook, it opened a whole new universe of possibilities for massive grifting, corruption and criminal activity. I doubt anyone will ever know the un-fathomable amount of money Trump, Ivanka, and Jared made off grifting during the Covid Pandemic alone....................

Grasswire2

(13,580 posts)
61. Interpreters write something called a MEM CON...
Tue May 23, 2023, 08:21 PM
May 2023

..."memo of conversation" -- which is filed in State Department files forever.

Here is an article I posted earlier on DU about the ability of a president to declassify such a memo of conversation:

[link:https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217731339|

FakeNoose

(33,047 posts)
15. I'm almost certain that Moscow Mitch and Paul Ryan knew what Chump was doing
Tue May 23, 2023, 10:17 AM
May 2023

Whether Jeff Sessions or Bill Barr knew and failed to stop it, well that remains to be seen.

How did Chump get the snooping information turned over to Putin? Well let's ask Jared Kushner, I'm sure he has an idea.

I'm rooting for special counsel Jack Smith to get to the bottom of this, and much more!

PatSeg

(47,876 posts)
18. Oh yes, it definitely will get worse for him
Tue May 23, 2023, 10:22 AM
May 2023

His reckless arrogance will be his undoing. He really thought he could do pretty much anything and not suffer any real consequences. He has had enablers his entire life and they are every bit as guilty as he is.

The problem is he used to live in a "Trump bubble" where he had control over everything. Then he tried to turn the whole world into a Trump bubble and he lacked the intelligence, competence, and temperament to oversee it.

Walleye

(31,244 posts)
22. Remember when Mueller was appointed
Tue May 23, 2023, 10:48 AM
May 2023

Trump said, “special counsel?, I’m fucked!” He knew damn well how many laws he was breaking. Unfortunately the scope of Mueller’s investigation never took him into these things, and he was afraid to arrest a president

Botany

(70,724 posts)
29. Mueller's investigation was hamstrung from the get go.
Tue May 23, 2023, 11:19 AM
May 2023

Dept. A.G. Rod Rosenstein limited the investigation to Trump and Russia connections but
when Mueller showed real criminal connections between Trump and Russia he was shut down
by Barr's rule (it was not a law) that you are not allowed to indict a sitting President.

America needs to see the whole unredacted Mueller report now.

Muller left behind 10 solid cases of obstruction against Trump as per Russia but Garland chose
not to pursue those cases but he indicted lots of Russians but Barr dropped all those indictments
including the one on Russia oligarch, Oleg Deripaska who was paying FBI Agent McGonigal in 2016
to rat fuck Hillary's campaign and in 2022 he funded Tony DeVolder's campaign for the U.S. House
from N.Y. State.

Walleye

(31,244 posts)
31. ☝️ Good summary
Tue May 23, 2023, 11:27 AM
May 2023

It seems to Jack Smith might be going after some of the crooked foreign real estate dealings. That’s going to make trump nervous. I hope

Orrex

(63,334 posts)
23. Every day should be the worst day of Trump's life
Tue May 23, 2023, 10:53 AM
May 2023

Every day that isn’t the worst day of Trump’s life is a day wasted.

Botany

(70,724 posts)
30. No that was Gen. Flynn and Blackwater's Erik Prince...although I have no doubt Jared would have ...
Tue May 23, 2023, 11:23 AM
May 2023

.... used those back channel networks. BTW the Trump administration did not fire Flynn for lying
to V.P. Pence and his staff he was fired for being caught being "chatty" with the Russian even before
Trump took office.

msfiddlestix

(7,290 posts)
33. The worst day of his life? He hasn't been arrested and incarcerated yet.
Tue May 23, 2023, 11:29 AM
May 2023

The day when his ASS is locked up for the rest of his life, will be one of the worst days of his life.

Right now, he is free as a bird, raising millions of dollars for his presidential campaign which will serve as a protective tool to prevent justice.

until then. it's only one of the worst days of our lives.

COL Mustard

(6,031 posts)
62. As much as I'd like to see his sorry ass in an actual prison
Wed May 24, 2023, 06:40 AM
May 2023

It'll never happen. The worst he will get is probably home detention, which will be severe. He'd be too much of a target if he was in an actual prison, and the Secret Service couldn't protect him in there. It's just logistics, not justice but home confinement with limited visitors and no travel or means of communication would drive him mad. I hope.

msfiddlestix

(7,290 posts)
63. I agree. But I guarantee ya he'll have his cell phone at hand..burners if needs must.
Wed May 24, 2023, 08:47 AM
May 2023

we;ll never be spared his lunacy until the day he drops dead. But psychopaths like him seem to have longer lives than most.

maxsolomon

(33,516 posts)
36. I wish I shared your optimism.
Tue May 23, 2023, 11:44 AM
May 2023

So far, there is no accountability, only the vague promise of accountability at some unspecified future date.

His father's right-hand man went to Rikers rather than turn on him.

Has he paid Carroll a penny?

Botany

(70,724 posts)
41. N.Y.'s A.G. Trish James is going after the Trump Organization for 1/4 of a billion this fall ....
Tue May 23, 2023, 11:56 AM
May 2023

... along with her office having the needed receipts and documents she plans to shut down all
businesses in N.Y. State that operated under the Trump name. She will also be referring charges
to the IRS and the U.S. Attorney's Office of the Southern District of N.Y..


"Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Ivanka Trump, and Eric Trump Used Fraudulent Statements of Financial Condition to Obtain Millions in Economic Benefits

Lawsuit Seeks to Remove Trump and His Children from Their Roles at the Trump Organization; Ban Them from Future Leadership Roles in New York; Repay $250 Million They Illegally Obtained."

https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2022/attorney-general-james-sues-donald-trump-years-financial-fraud

DENVERPOPS

(9,004 posts)
42. Trump has never paid the price
Tue May 23, 2023, 11:58 AM
May 2023

for any of his corruption and criminal deeds his entire life.....Never.........

And honestly? I don't think he will, for the rest of his putrid life.............

The Republican Senators and House members won't let that happen because if "he goes, we go" mentality.

And even if any thing gets past the Republican members of the house and senate, it will end up at the USSC and we all know exactly how that will end, don't we????????????

DENVERPOPS

(9,004 posts)
49. Exactly
Tue May 23, 2023, 12:18 PM
May 2023

and that is just one of the countless things the IRS could have gone after him for, regarding the falsifying of his returns......

Eyeball_Kid

(7,450 posts)
43. Carroll gets a 9% interest accumulation for as long as Trump delays payment.
Tue May 23, 2023, 11:58 AM
May 2023

Assuming that the interest is compounded annually, that's over 400k per year. Carroll could live very comfortably on the interest alone. But there's more coming in Carroll's latest lawsuits. She's living rent-free in Donnie's head. AND Donnie is paying her for the residency.

DENVERPOPS

(9,004 posts)
45. And
Tue May 23, 2023, 12:04 PM
May 2023

back in the so called Reagan presidency, Reagan wasn't running things, HWBush was running everything.......

back in the so called "W" presidency, WBush wasn't running things, Cheney and Rumsfeld were running everything.......

back in the so called Trump presidency, Trump wasn't running things, Putin was running everything.........
Not only the presidency, but the entire Republican Party, from top to bottom..........

And, Putin still is running things, make no mistake about it..........With help from N.Korea, the Saudis, China, Iran, India, etc etc

orangecrush

(19,713 posts)
58. When action is taken
Tue May 23, 2023, 07:08 PM
May 2023


Then I'll celebrate.

Till I know he will be prevented from assuming office I fear for my nation.
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