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Archae

(46,338 posts)
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:00 PM Jan 2012

This is what 2,000 years of propaganda does.

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by gkhouston (a host of the General Discussion forum).

"Yew doesn't bu-leeve in are gawd, so yuse is BAD!"
(You don't believe in our God, so you are bad)

Atheists are one of the most disliked groups in America. Only 45 percent of Americans say they would vote for a qualified atheist presidential candidate, and atheists are rated as the least desirable group for a potential son-in-law or daughter-in-law to belong to. Will Gervais at the University of British Columbia recently published a set of studies looking at why atheists are so disliked. His conclusion: It comes down to trust.

Gervais and his colleagues presented participants with a story about a person who accidentally hits a parked car and then fails to leave behind valid insurance information for the other driver. Participants were asked to choose the probability that the person in question was a Christian, a Muslim, a rapist, or an atheist. They thought it equally probable the culprit was an atheist or a rapist, and unlikely the person was a Muslim or Christian. In a different study, Gervais looked at how atheism influences people’s hiring decisions. People were asked to choose between an atheist or a religious candidate for a job requiring either a high or low degree of trust. For the high-trust job of daycare worker, people were more likely to prefer the religious candidate. For the job of waitress, which requires less trust, the atheists fared much better.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=in-atheists-we-distrust

Can anyone blame me for being bitter and cynical about religion as a whole?

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This is what 2,000 years of propaganda does. (Original Post) Archae Jan 2012 OP
Honestly I don't like Atheists Drale Jan 2012 #1
I rest my case. Archae Jan 2012 #4
agreed. the ability of fairy tale believers forcing their quaint fictions on the rest of the world ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2012 #12
And before it gets started... Archae Jan 2012 #17
absolutely ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2012 #28
Honestly I don't like Cubs fans because every single one of them sinkingfeeling Jan 2012 #5
I'm sorry, but you just defined New York Yankee fans because every single one of them... madinmaryland Jan 2012 #29
Every single atheist you have met announces it to you? Quantess Jan 2012 #6
I hear you gratuitous Jan 2012 #8
LOL, I guess I am pig headed with the fact that no "God(s)" exist snooper2 Jan 2012 #13
So which is it? Iggo Jan 2012 #18
I just find them to be as loud and obnoxious as some Christians. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2012 #30
They are disliked because they smell. AngryAmish Jan 2012 #2
lol koolkake Jan 2012 #3
Why? ieoeja Jan 2012 #7
I've met atheists who are more "Christian" than most Christians KansDem Jan 2012 #9
And there is that handy-dandy excuse when a "good Christian" gets caught doing something rotten. Archae Jan 2012 #10
That's too interesting to not explain more. Quantess Jan 2012 #15
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #11
Wow! bongbong Jan 2012 #16
sorry to disappoint but many atheists have "some sort of belief structure" nt msongs Jan 2012 #19
Reality is exactly opposite bongbong Jan 2012 #14
+1 sinkingfeeling Jan 2012 #21
I tend to lump the Christian, Muslim, and Rapist together UNLESS TlalocW Jan 2012 #20
Arthur Keostler was right....Janus...he explains the role of EMOTION in our daily lives opihimoimoi Jan 2012 #22
Madness Mr Dixon Jan 2012 #23
It just goes to show you how far some peoples' opinions are from the nearest fact. GliderGuider Jan 2012 #24
A person who accidentally hits a parked car... hunter Jan 2012 #25
All anyone has to do is look at the worst of the worst. Archae Jan 2012 #26
When Christians are their nastiest. izquierdista Jan 2012 #27
This thread violates the SOP, why hasn't it been locked? bananas Jan 2012 #31
A key part of Religious belief is about being "right". JoePhilly Jan 2012 #32
People can't really insult others' intelligence, sanity Union Scribe Jan 2012 #33
I'm locking this as something better suited to Religion. n/t gkhouston Jan 2012 #34

Drale

(7,932 posts)
1. Honestly I don't like Atheists
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:03 PM
Jan 2012

Because every single one of them I have met are just as pig headed and arrogant in their beliefs as many religous fanatics. It may not be true of all Atheists but in my experience its at least a majority.

Archae

(46,338 posts)
4. I rest my case.
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:05 PM
Jan 2012

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
12. agreed. the ability of fairy tale believers forcing their quaint fictions on the rest of the world
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:19 PM
Jan 2012

can be amusing at times, but it creates dire troubles all too often.

Just think of all those grand things that christianity has given us:

The Spanish inquisition
The eradication of Maya civilization
the torture and murder of thousands of german women accused of witchcraft
Each and every crusade, causing untold death and destruction
Attacks on the educated for several centuries, what we call the Dark Ages
Attacks on scientists, astronomers, and thinkers
Attacks on modern science, to the extent that our African policies led to hundreds of thousands of additional cases of HIV.

The list is huge. But its ok and we agnostics and atheists are wrong, because they do everything in god's name, anyway.

Archae

(46,338 posts)
17. And before it gets started...
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:24 PM
Jan 2012

Stalin and Mao never did anything in the name of their atheism.
It was twisted nationalism and ideaology, and power grabs.

And Hitler bragged about how much of a "good Christian" he was, to get rid of the Jews.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
28. absolutely
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 05:50 PM
Jan 2012

good to nip that faux weed in the bud.

sinkingfeeling

(51,464 posts)
5. Honestly I don't like Cubs fans because every single one of them
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:06 PM
Jan 2012

I have met are just as pig headed and arrogant in their support as many religious fanatics. It may not be true of all Cubs fans but in my experience its (sic) at least a majority.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
29. I'm sorry, but you just defined New York Yankee fans because every single one of them...
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 06:05 PM
Jan 2012

I have met are just as pig headed and arrogant in their support as many religious fanatics. It may not be true of all Skankee fans but in my experience its (sic) at least a majority.


Quantess

(27,630 posts)
6. Every single atheist you have met announces it to you?
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:08 PM
Jan 2012

I seriously doubt that.

That is all.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
8. I hear you
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:09 PM
Jan 2012

But blanket statements about atheists seem to merit very different treatment than blanket statements about people of faith. I don't know if I'll get away with saying even that much, as per our faultless DU juries.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
13. LOL, I guess I am pig headed with the fact that no "God(s)" exist
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:20 PM
Jan 2012


Is Jesus made up of matter?

Is Allah able to create a supernova?

Can god survive the intense pressures and temperatures it takes to fuse hydrogen?




When you start to think about it Adam & Eve and the Sura of the Elephant seem like something kids would make up on the playground right?

Iggo

(47,561 posts)
18. So which is it?
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:28 PM
Jan 2012

Every single one? Or the majority?

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
30. I just find them to be as loud and obnoxious as some Christians.
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 06:48 PM
Jan 2012

Moreso, often.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
2. They are disliked because they smell.
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:04 PM
Jan 2012

oh, I'm sorry I meant vegans.

koolkake

(6 posts)
3. lol
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:05 PM
Jan 2012

i trust christians more than atheists- and i'm an atheist

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
7. Why?
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:09 PM
Jan 2012

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
9. I've met atheists who are more "Christian" than most Christians
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:10 PM
Jan 2012

I can't explain it...

Archae

(46,338 posts)
10. And there is that handy-dandy excuse when a "good Christian" gets caught doing something rotten.
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:13 PM
Jan 2012

"They arent *TRUE* Christians!"

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
15. That's too interesting to not explain more.
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:23 PM
Jan 2012

I am also curious why you feel that way.

Response to Archae (Original post)

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
16. Wow!
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:24 PM
Jan 2012

> I would probably prefer a person with some sort of belief structure to an atheist when voting for a person who has to engage in abstract thought.

I haven't seen "logic" that backwards in a long time!

"I'm a great abstract thinker. A magic fairy created the earth in 7 days!"

msongs

(67,421 posts)
19. sorry to disappoint but many atheists have "some sort of belief structure" nt
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:30 PM
Jan 2012
 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
14. Reality is exactly opposite
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:20 PM
Jan 2012

William Burroughs gave his reasons for not trusting religious people. It basically boiled down to their ability to do anything they wanted and either blame it on god or get "forgiveness" from god for their act by just saying some words to themselves.

Atheists have to live with their actions; religious types (frequently) do whatever they want to do and say the voices in their heads told them it was OK to do it. On top of that you have religious types (frequently) saying that atheists are "evil" for some reason and thus they can be mistreated or cheated.

sinkingfeeling

(51,464 posts)
21. +1
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:33 PM
Jan 2012

TlalocW

(15,386 posts)
20. I tend to lump the Christian, Muslim, and Rapist together UNLESS
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:31 PM
Jan 2012

say I'm looking to hire their services, and the Christian has one of those fish in his or her ad. I've found - and I'm sure it's just as bad an assumption as anything else - that people who do that aren't as good at their craft so they play the Christian card.

There's just one time that I find Atheists really annoying, and it's the same for Christians is that when they've just made the switch and are really in your face about their beliefs. The only thing that ties with that is when a high school kid first discovers Led Zeppelin (or Jim Morrison) and want to talk about nothing else.

TlalocW

opihimoimoi

(52,426 posts)
22. Arthur Keostler was right....Janus...he explains the role of EMOTION in our daily lives
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:33 PM
Jan 2012

Until rendered moot, it is a model of how to engage in confusion and division


for its a recipe for "HATE"..... = Division = us and them = less than whole =

weaker than shit = crappy lives = high misery levels = weak and unable to contend

with catastrophic events = die offs = large famines = choices = up or down =

this is where we are at....up or down?

Mr Dixon

(1,185 posts)
23. Madness
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:34 PM
Jan 2012
So just because I don't believe in fairy Tale? Because I don’t agree with blood lust religion I’m untrustworthy ? Bite Me
 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
24. It just goes to show you how far some peoples' opinions are from the nearest fact.
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:34 PM
Jan 2012
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/7189188/Atheists-just-as-ethical-as-churchgoers.html
But people who did not have a religious background still appeared to have intuitive judgments of right and wrong in common with believers, according to the findings, published in the journal Trends in Cognitive Sciences.

Dr Marc Hauser, from Harvard University, one of the co-authors of the research, said that he and his colleagues were interested in the roots of religion and morality. "For some, there is no morality without religion, while others see religion as merely one way of expressing one's moral intuitions," he said.

Dr Hauser added: "The research suggests that intuitive judgments of right and wrong seem to operate independently of explicit religious commitments. However, although it appears as if co-operation is made possible by mental mechanisms that are not specific to religion, religion can play a role in facilitating and stabilising co-operation between groups."

"Although, as we discuss in our paper, this link (GG: between religion and morality) is not a necessary one, many people have become so accustomed to using it, that criticism targeted at religion is experienced as a fundamental threat to our moral existence."

hunter

(38,321 posts)
25. A person who accidentally hits a parked car...
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:35 PM
Jan 2012

... and then fails to leave behind valid insurance information for the other driver...

... is, in my experience, proportionately more likely to have a little chrome fish on their tailgate than a little chrome fish with legs.


http://meangene.com/darwin/darwin.html

Businesses with a fish in their advertisements often seem less worthy of a customer's trust than one without.

Some Christians act as if their shortcomings are between them and their God, not between them and the people they harm.

That's the problem with having an ethical system supervised by God. You can shut Him out when when you do something wrong, and beg forgiveness later.

When your ethical system is entirely internal it's much harder to hide. There's no triangulation -- when you harm another it's entirely up to you to make it right with them.

Archae

(46,338 posts)
26. All anyone has to do is look at the worst of the worst.
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 03:38 PM
Jan 2012

A maximum-security prison.

What's the most common belief, by far? Christianity.

The smallest group in regards to religion? Atheists.

 

izquierdista

(11,689 posts)
27. When Christians are their nastiest.
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 04:21 PM
Jan 2012

That would be as they are exiting the parking lot after one of their Sunday sessions to compare clothing. A ruder bunch of drivers all trying to put distance between their bretheren and themselves you will never find.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
31. This thread violates the SOP, why hasn't it been locked?
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 06:53 PM
Jan 2012

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JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
32. A key part of Religious belief is about being "right".
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 06:59 PM
Jan 2012

My religious beliefs are BETTER than yours. If they were equal, we'd share the same religion. We don't ... so mine is clearly better than yours.

The Atheist has no religious beliefs. So not only are my beliefs BETTER ... so are the beliefs of all the other religions that my religion trumps ... I mean after all ... sure those folks are lame for not having MY beliefs, but they do have some overlap with my beliefs, which is better than the Atheist, who has no beliefs, and as a result, can't be trusted.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
33. People can't really insult others' intelligence, sanity
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 07:03 PM
Jan 2012

and education, and in the next breath wonder why they don't like you. Atheist PR kinda sucks.

gkhouston

(21,642 posts)
34. I'm locking this as something better suited to Religion. n/t
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 07:08 PM
Jan 2012
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