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cash__whatiwant

(396 posts)
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:56 PM Nov 2012

Insiders Explain How Mitt Romney's Campaign Completely Fell Apart On Election Day

Last edited Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:59 PM - Edit history (1)


As conservatives search for an explanation for Mitt Romney's loss, much of the blame has been directed at the collapse of his campaign's Election Day get out the vote efforts, a massive organizational failure that resulted in lower Republican turnout than even John McCain got in 2008.

A major source of Romney's GOTV problems appears to have been the disastrous Project ORCA, an expensive technological undertaking that was supposed to provide the campaign with real-time poll monitoring that would allow Republicans to target GOTV efforts on Election Day.

In the week leading up to the election, Romney campaign spokesperson Andrea Saul told Business Insider that ORCA was "the Republican Party’s newest, most technologically advanced plan to win the 2012 election," touting it as the game-changer that would blow even the Obama campaign's sophisticated GOTV system out of the water.

But on almost all counts, ORCA failed miserably. In a fascinating piece for Ace of Spades, Romney poll-watcher John Ekdahl describes a perfect storm of technology problems that made the ORCA app unusable and left scores of Republican volunteers " wandering around confused and frustrated" on Election Day.

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Insiders Explain How Mitt Romney's Campaign Completely Fell Apart On Election Day (Original Post) cash__whatiwant Nov 2012 OP
If you can't run a campaign, how can you run a country, Mr. Bigshot CEO? Arugula Latte Nov 2012 #1
Exactly....That's the way I felt with his attempted Benghazi "gotcha" in the debate too Lucinda Nov 2012 #17
Bingo. Exactly. n/t ProfessionalLeftist Nov 2012 #46
Not surprised. Reps want small ineffective government ffr Nov 2012 #2
Dodged? MynameisBlarney Nov 2012 #49
Just like the way the intelligence community tends to overemphasize tblue37 Nov 2012 #3
Rmoney crushed in the primaries with huge ad buys. Old and In the Way Nov 2012 #4
EXACTLY!!! WCGreen Nov 2012 #5
that is how he's always won Johonny Nov 2012 #32
Ultimate crony capitalism! BlueToTheBone Nov 2012 #6
Oh, I just thought his platform just sucked and he was out of touch. joeunderdog Nov 2012 #7
In other words, Willard and his people could not hifiguy Nov 2012 #8
they were playing Super Nintendo while Obama's people had PS3." malaise Nov 2012 #9
Way Romney campaign was - those were old Atari 65 LynneSin Nov 2012 #18
Even older than that. MynameisBlarney Nov 2012 #51
The really hilarious part is they thought this ORCA shit was so hot malaise Nov 2012 #54
How dare they compare the great Super Nintendo to Mitt Romney? Borgnine Nov 2012 #61
You may want to pare this post down Oilwellian Nov 2012 #10
done nt cash__whatiwant Nov 2012 #13
So Romney's not a people person. cui bono Nov 2012 #11
This is Romney's REAL business experience on display... JHB Nov 2012 #12
the latter part of the article highlights his managerial failures BainsBane Nov 2012 #38
So that 3 am phone call would have been...unanswered? dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #58
seems like Romney wasn't really interested in winning the election Whisp Nov 2012 #14
The reaction to this on Redstate.com was astounding Patiod Nov 2012 #15
332 Redstate folks gave it a thumbs up? Ironic LynneSin Nov 2012 #19
I spent a half hour Sunday night wallowing in the shaudenfreude. Patiod Nov 2012 #26
I tell you. Reading the comments from that crowd was like looking at the toilet paper after use. nt bluestate10 Nov 2012 #68
I am completely addicted to Romney Fail reports K8-EEE Nov 2012 #16
Me too lol! BelleCarolinaPeridot Nov 2012 #20
Forget shooting it up. Just hook me up the IV drip :) - n/t coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #23
LOL! Wind Dancer Nov 2012 #35
LOL! Me too! That's why I'm annoyed with all the Petraeus talk ecstatic Nov 2012 #69
ORCA, the Great White Fail eShirl Nov 2012 #21
Even the ferret living on Donald Trump's head is angry aint_no_life_nowhere Nov 2012 #22
How Liberalagogo Nov 2012 #40
Like I wrote - the trail of diarrhea aint_no_life_nowhere Nov 2012 #44
A trail of diarrhea flowing down Trump's head Liberalagogo Nov 2012 #57
Source article from Business Insider ("Ace of Spades"?) is also coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #24
"Smaller smarter goverment" crowd runs bigger dumber campaign. nt K8-EEE Nov 2012 #25
Romney as CEO in Chief, super FAIL ffr Nov 2012 #28
Sounds like they knew they were going to lose WolverineDG Nov 2012 #76
Ha! Rob H. Nov 2012 #36
Romney's failures are very instructive. Kalidurga Nov 2012 #27
He couldn't connect with people because when it comes right down to it, Rob H. Nov 2012 #41
Well after the dog story I knew Romney was a horrible person. Kalidurga Nov 2012 #73
I'm a baaaad person... abolugi Nov 2012 #29
Romney never ran any companies BlueStreak Nov 2012 #30
ironic that it was the consultants who fleeced him Patiod Nov 2012 #74
I hadn't thought of that. It is ironic. BlueStreak Nov 2012 #79
Hmm... leftlibdem420 Nov 2012 #31
I LOL'd! :D /nt workinclasszero Nov 2012 #78
He really should have committed to customer satisfaction quality. nt SDjack Nov 2012 #33
The campaign fell apart from day one... Spazito Nov 2012 #34
This had NOTHING to do with GOTV WeekendWarrior Nov 2012 #37
Correct Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2012 #60
They were at my polling place with paper checklists of voters quaker bill Nov 2012 #63
They're trying to find any excuse... BeliQueen Nov 2012 #39
I think this one was legit Jim Lane Nov 2012 #66
Every day, it's a new excuse or a new scapegoat ... BattyDem Nov 2012 #42
The think if they had a good ground game they would have one. Interesting even southernyankeebelle Nov 2012 #43
Name a Republican strategy after a beautiful creature Voice for Peace Nov 2012 #45
Of course, there's no possible way it could be because . . . Richard D Nov 2012 #47
Oh, balderdash. His policies sucked. He kept secrets, closeupready Nov 2012 #48
Balderdash! And complete bunkum. I love it. MissMarple Nov 2012 #53
Do they think that people didn't notice ... Ganja Ninja Nov 2012 #50
As a Mormon bishop, he served a flock in a secretive religion closeupready Nov 2012 #55
" they were playing Super Nintendo while Obama's people had PS3." " DollarBillHines Nov 2012 #52
This followup article really explains it thesquanderer Nov 2012 #56
Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #59
So...ORCA ended up beached? Ken Burch Nov 2012 #62
One of the Republicans beat you to it. Jim Lane Nov 2012 #67
So, the Idiotic Cons aren't blaming Sandy anymore? It's their own ineptitude for Cha Nov 2012 #64
cute photo nt cash__whatiwant Nov 2012 #65
Obama whipped his ASS upi402 Nov 2012 #70
This coverage is delicious. Change has come Nov 2012 #71
In the vernacular of my teenage kids, Nye Bevan Nov 2012 #72
Killer whale circles back, attacks handlers. tanyev Nov 2012 #75
Romney bought his own lies Blue4Texas Nov 2012 #77

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
17. Exactly....That's the way I felt with his attempted Benghazi "gotcha" in the debate too
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:13 PM
Nov 2012

If they couldn't even get that right, how could he possibly govern.

ffr

(22,674 posts)
2. Not surprised. Reps want small ineffective government
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:06 PM
Nov 2012

This is the disorganization one can expect from someone who begins with the premise that government is not the solution and goes about proving that to be the case in his own organizational structure.

Phew! Dodged the bullet on that one, didn't we!

tblue37

(65,502 posts)
3. Just like the way the intelligence community tends to overemphasize
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:10 PM
Nov 2012

technology and underemphasize humintel.

One edit--Don't they realize that GOTV is a form of community organizing?

They do love to mock Obama's expertise in that area, LOL!

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
4. Rmoney crushed in the primaries with huge ad buys.
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:21 PM
Nov 2012

They thought ad dollars would win the general election, too. I really think between the huge financial advantages and the 'unskewed' polling, they really believed it would be a cakewalk and GOTV would somehow just materialize.

Johonny

(20,913 posts)
32. that is how he's always won
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:49 PM
Nov 2012

crush the guy your running against with $$. It is probably the only reason he could run in 2016. Who in the field can outspend Mitt Romney or survive his primary assault if he chose to buy it again?

joeunderdog

(2,563 posts)
7. Oh, I just thought his platform just sucked and he was out of touch.
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:30 PM
Nov 2012

Not enough lipstick for that pig.

Time to cut the bullshit about the campaign and talk about the issues.

Time to stop talking about the loser and start talking about our President.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
8. In other words, Willard and his people could not
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:32 PM
Nov 2012

organize a two-car funeral on a one-way street even if you spotted them the hearse.

No surprise there.

malaise

(269,220 posts)
54. The really hilarious part is they thought this ORCA shit was so hot
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:04 PM
Nov 2012

and so secret that they kept it to themselves until election day.

Isn't that like wearing brand new running shoes for a marathon you plan to win?


cui bono

(19,926 posts)
11. So Romney's not a people person.
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:54 PM
Nov 2012

He tries to be by saying that corporations are people but we all know that's not true.

JHB

(37,163 posts)
12. This is Romney's REAL business experience on display...
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:00 PM
Nov 2012

Screw details, outsource all that crap, I have more important things to do, like making A Better Amercia.

First he saved the Olympics, now he's saved BilkFest 2012. Your vendors thank you Mitt. At least the ones who made sure they were paid up front.

BainsBane

(53,093 posts)
38. the latter part of the article highlights his managerial failures
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:12 PM
Nov 2012

volunteers and poll watchers had no idea what to do, and the campaign wouldn't return phone calls for the entire month before the election. What did they expect would happen? He claimed to be such a great manager. He's obviously a disaster at that.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
14. seems like Romney wasn't really interested in winning the election
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:01 PM
Nov 2012

the signs are all there.

he was interested in ad money that Bain would get pieced off with and whatever loopsholes PACs have with jamming the dollars in their jeans.

Patiod

(11,816 posts)
15. The reaction to this on Redstate.com was astounding
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:10 PM
Nov 2012

A LOT of unhappy Republicans

Here's my favorite:
"If you're concerned about your money going to line the pockets of wealthy charlatans then you should be glad that Romney didn't get elected.
(and 332 Redstate folks gave this a thumbs up!!!)

http://www.redstate.com/2012/11/09/campaign-sources-the-romney-campaign-was-a-consultant-con-job/

Patiod

(11,816 posts)
26. I spent a half hour Sunday night wallowing in the shaudenfreude.
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:37 PM
Nov 2012

I had never been there before, and was surprised to discover some conservatives on line who can spell and write coherently.

Now if they could just THINK clearly....

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
68. I tell you. Reading the comments from that crowd was like looking at the toilet paper after use. nt
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:59 PM
Nov 2012

K8-EEE

(15,667 posts)
16. I am completely addicted to Romney Fail reports
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:12 PM
Nov 2012

I swear stories like this, if I was a drug addict I'd be cooking this up in a spoon and shooting it up.

ecstatic

(32,749 posts)
69. LOL! Me too! That's why I'm annoyed with all the Petraeus talk
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:01 AM
Nov 2012

I want to see more fail reports and more coverage of the teaparty vs moderate repub bickering!

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
22. Even the ferret living on Donald Trump's head is angry
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:19 PM
Nov 2012

and expressed it to him by engaging in a diarrhea spree this morning.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
44. Like I wrote - the trail of diarrhea
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:26 PM
Nov 2012

Kind of like Seamus only Trump's ferret is strapped down with toupee tape.

ffr

(22,674 posts)
28. Romney as CEO in Chief, super FAIL
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:40 PM
Nov 2012
In an interview last week, the attorney, one of the "Lawyers for Romney" who volunteered to help the campaign's legal team by watching the polls on Election Day, described how the Romney campaign sent its legal volunteers the wrong training information, failed to provide volunteers with information about where they were supposed to be on Election Day, and stopped responding to phone calls and emails in the final two weeks of the campaign.
<snip>
While we may never know what really happened inside the Romney campaign's Election Day collapse, the Ohio attorney's story, taken with the accounts from Ekdahl and people close to the Romney campaign, paint a picture of a campaign in disarray.

LOSER!

WolverineDG

(22,298 posts)
76. Sounds like they knew they were going to lose
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:08 AM
Nov 2012

& just gave up. The whole campaign became a false-front.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
27. Romney's failures are very instructive.
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:38 PM
Nov 2012

Romney showed us how our society still needs people who care. That it is important to be able to connect with people on an emotional level as well as an intellectual level. I have to admit I am not good at connecting on an emotional level. I would rather talk about ideas. Romney seems to be unable to connect on any level at all. But, if he could have connected with his base on an emotional level and moderates on an emotional level, we might be saying President Romney today. But, as it was he was so out of touch that he thought his horror stories were amusing and a way to get to people. They weren't and they aren't. Like the one about how he toured a slave factory in China then bought it. He thought that was a real knee slapper.

Rob H.

(5,352 posts)
41. He couldn't connect with people because when it comes right down to it,
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:21 PM
Nov 2012

he didn't really stand for anything. He'd say something one day, and then say the exact opposite the next if he thought it might help him win. He always struck me as a breathtakingly dishonest man with no real principles other than, "I'll tell people what they want to hear when I'm in front of them, then walk away from what I said later if doing so benefits me or my party in some way." Hell, there was one occasion where he said something non-right-wingnut about a woman's right to choose (iirc) and his people were in front of the press trying to retract it two hours later because it wasn't the GOP party line.

There were a lot of people who voted for Romney, no question, but I'm just glad Romney himself never seemed to realize that most people, if they're honest with themselves, don't want a lying snake oil salesman/bully running things. (Did the GOP really believe we all forgot about what a disaster Dubya's presidency was? Seriously?)

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
73. Well after the dog story I knew Romney was a horrible person.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:39 AM
Nov 2012

But, when I heard stories of his flip flopping and lying, I thought they have to be exaggerating. This was years and years ago. But, it turns out his lying and flip-flopping can't be exaggerated.

abolugi

(417 posts)
29. I'm a baaaad person...
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:42 PM
Nov 2012

I can't get enough of these articles! Romney and his crew were so arrogant I am extremely glad they fell hard!!!


Best quote in the article..

"They were playing Super Nintendo while Obama's people had PS3."


 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
30. Romney never ran any companies
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:43 PM
Nov 2012

He TOOK OVER companies. He didn't manage them. If he did anything other than shutting them down, it was all about cost cutting. He never built anything of value.

He is the ultimate "Taker".

It is always easier to demolish than to build.

Patiod

(11,816 posts)
74. ironic that it was the consultants who fleeced him
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:15 AM
Nov 2012

Other campaigns, we hear about problems with staff. With Romney, it was his high paid Bainlike consultants who blew it.

Spazito

(50,514 posts)
34. The campaign fell apart from day one...
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:55 PM
Nov 2012

etch-a-sketch, 47%, "you people", "the trees are the right height", "corporations are people my friend", etc, etc, etc.

It was the absolute worst campaign I have EVER seen and I'm old!

quaker bill

(8,225 posts)
63. They were at my polling place with paper checklists of voters
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:14 PM
Nov 2012

but they did not seem to know what to do with them. Paper checklists seem a bit old fashioned and my precinct seems an unlikely place to need them as we are white, middle class, reliable voters. Geography was the biggest challenge for (R) GOTV. Their voters tend to be rural so it takes alot of volunteers for a small number of votes. Ours are urban (look at the map), so it does not take many people or much gas to find alot of voters.

BeliQueen

(504 posts)
39. They're trying to find any excuse...
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:13 PM
Nov 2012

...other than that they're policies are unappealing to the majority of the public.

Urban voters; failed technology; etc.

Also, ORCA sounds more like a voter suppression tool than a GOTV tool since it relies on getting their poll watchers strike lists not contact lists of people who need help getting to the polls.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
66. I think this one was legit
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:35 PM
Nov 2012

The grousing on redstate came from people in the field (or who'd wanted to be in the field), not from the campaign honchos.

Also, ORCA really was a GOTV tool. Their "strike lists" weren't lists of voters to be challenged. They were using an old GOTV technique. Back in the day, you'd prepare a list (on paper) of the people you expect to vote for you in that precinct. Your poll watcher strikes names off the list as they vote. At some point, the lists get taken to your phone-bankers, who phone the people who haven't voted yet. ORCA was an attempt to digitize this process. The Democrats had the same thing except that ours worked. I was calling Elizabeth Warren supporters who hadn't voted yet.

BattyDem

(11,075 posts)
42. Every day, it's a new excuse or a new scapegoat ...
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:24 PM
Nov 2012

ANY reason tho deny the truth: Americans don't like the GOP agenda! It's hateful, discriminatory, misogynistic and it favors the rich.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
43. The think if they had a good ground game they would have one. Interesting even
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:25 PM
Nov 2012

if they had one that was equal to Obamas game plan they still would have lost. They don't get it still. They lost because they don't care about the middle class. Everyone saw it.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
45. Name a Republican strategy after a beautiful creature
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:29 PM
Nov 2012

and do not expect success.
Higgs-Boson Themself* will introduce chaos.

*(They are anonymous, they are legion, they do not forget
and they are on our side.)




 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
48. Oh, balderdash. His policies sucked. He kept secrets,
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:41 PM
Nov 2012

like his taxes, from voters. Evidence abounded of his innate cruelty to animals, gay people, etc.

It was HIM - HE is why they lost.

MissMarple

(9,656 posts)
53. Balderdash! And complete bunkum. I love it.
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:01 PM
Nov 2012


I do agree, it was of his own doing. His anal, control freak approach does not work in a cooperative culture that a campaign must develop and that democratic government demands. He is better suited to an authoritarian dictatorship. The thought that he was as close as he was makes me queasy.

Ganja Ninja

(15,953 posts)
50. Do they think that people didn't notice ...
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 03:48 PM
Nov 2012

the endless attempts to paint this president as foreign born, or (as if there were something wrong with it) a Muslim? They not only questioned his place of birth but his parentage as well. Did they think people would just brush that off?

Do they think people didn't notice the constant stream of insults and disrespect shown to America's first black president?

Do they think that people have such a short memory that they forgot what a disaster George W. Bush was?

Did they really think they could pass the blame for 8 years of failure and all the deficit spending that was rubber stamped by a GOP congress on to this president?

Did they really believe they could blame Obama for a stagnant recovery while the Teabag congress obstructed any attempt to fix the mess their party created and instead voted over 30 times to repeal Obamacare?

Did they think people were going to forget the hate and racism directed at people of color, women, gays and just about everyone that wasn't a white evangelical?

Did they think we would forget the divisive meanness and spite?

Do they really think that all of this had nothing to do with why they lost the election?

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
55. As a Mormon bishop, he served a flock in a secretive religion
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 04:31 PM
Nov 2012

which seems to discourage meaningful examination of dogma for 'truthiness'.

If as a group there is little diversity and little tolerance for dissent, how on Earth did they think he was fit to run the American government? Or to relate to foreign powers?

Groupthink is seductive because it's comforting; the downside is that it weakens character and leadership ability.

Response to cash__whatiwant (Original post)

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
67. One of the Republicans beat you to it.
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:53 PM
Nov 2012

One of the commenters on the original piece recounted his own totally frustrating experience with trying to volunteer for Romney and concluded: "Felt used. Burned. Project ORCA ended up with a harpoon in its side and washed up on shore, lifeless."

Blue4Texas

(437 posts)
77. Romney bought his own lies
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:17 AM
Nov 2012

Beginning with, he was conservative, he was a businessman, he was for the 100%, he had nothing to do with the ads his super pacs ran, he knew what was in the Ryan Plan. He did this to win the GOP nomination. It never occurred to him, he would not win. To be honest, he would have been better off to change parties in college. He might not have been a part of cutting that kids hair or done anything else that followed.

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