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blm

(112,764 posts)
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 08:30 PM Jul 2023

Response to Aldean. What most EVERYONE still gets wrong about Floyd protests.

Last edited Fri Jul 21, 2023, 09:28 PM - Edit history (1)

The worst of the violence and destruction at the protests, and ALL the murders of law officers were committed by members of RightWing terrorist groups using the cover of the protests to add chaos. Their intent was to get BLM and antifa blamed, escalate the chaos and tension, and trigger the race war they’ve been working towards for many years.

These terrorists left their ‘small towns’ in Texas, Minnesota, and NC and traveled to Minneapolis to start a civil war with black protestors taking the blame - blamed as they were blamed in Aldean’s video.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2021/09/30/texas-man-24-admits-shooting-at-minneapolis-police-station-during-riot

A man who had been part of a far-right group that wants to foment a civil war admitted in federal court Thursday he traveled to Minneapolis from the San Antonio area to sow chaos after the police murder of George Floyd.
Ivan Harrison Hunter, 24, of Boerne, Texas, pleaded guilty to a single count of rioting. The charge carries a maximum prison term of five years.
………

Hunter admitted that he fired 13 rounds from an AK-47-style rifle into the 3rd precinct police station on May 28, 2020, as other rioters looted and set fire to the building after police evacuated. No one was struck by the gunfire.

After shooting at the building, Hunter was recorded on video high-fiving another person and yelling "Justice for Floyd!”….

Prosecutors say Hunter came to Minneapolis in the days following Floyd’s murder after corresponding on Facebook with Michael Solomon of New Brighton, Minn., and Benjamin Teeter of Hampstead, N.C. The men had been part of the “Boogaloo Bois,” a group that exploits tensions to further violence.


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Response to Aldean. What most EVERYONE still gets wrong about Floyd protests. (Original Post) blm Jul 2023 OP
Murders of officers during Floyd committed by 'small town' RW terrorists. blm Jul 2023 #1
This doesn't fit Aldean's narrative! LakeVermilion Jul 2023 #2
I saw the video of that account a few times. yonder Jul 2023 #17
Wasn't a St. Paul cop Mopar151 Jul 2023 #18
Aryan cowboys. Didn't they show up Jan6, too? blm Jul 2023 #26
Kick and Rec emulatorloo Jul 2023 #3
Far right accelerationists from 'small towns' hope to spark war blm Jul 2023 #4
RW terrorist from 'small town' trying to incite Floyd rioting blm Jul 2023 #5
agree with parts of what you wrote... WarGamer Jul 2023 #6
Wrong. Carrillo targeted officers who were nearby blm Jul 2023 #7
YOU said AT THE PROTESTS in your OP, lmfao... WarGamer Jul 2023 #8
I said the worst of the violence and destruction AT the protests, blm Jul 2023 #10
Tell me about David Dorn, if you can. WarGamer Jul 2023 #11
I can, but, he wasn't a TARGETED law enforcement officer. blm Jul 2023 #12
No, I was right. WarGamer Jul 2023 #13
The DURING is in the post about the murders. blm Jul 2023 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Jul 2023 #15
And further, why go to Snopes when the facts are available blm Jul 2023 #9
Don't forget vigilante Kyle Rittenhouse LymphocyteLover Jul 2023 #16
Good point. I was going for the 'small town' terrorist blm Jul 2023 #21
Yes, all true LymphocyteLover Jul 2023 #29
Does He Count? ProfessorGAC Jul 2023 #27
Yeah, I suppose. I wasn't thinking in terms of the small town aspect so much as LymphocyteLover Jul 2023 #28
And, boy, did they. Then they attacked the Capitol blm Jul 2023 #30
Ah! That Makes Sense ProfessorGAC Jul 2023 #32
My neighbor. I live in the next county further out from San Antonio. carpetbagger Jul 2023 #19
Of course. blm Jul 2023 #20
Protests backfire 90% of the time, sometimes catastrophically gulliver Jul 2023 #22
Members of these same RW groups attacked Capitol on Jan6 blm Jul 2023 #23
The whole thing was a nasty mess gulliver Jul 2023 #24
K&R BeckyDem Jul 2023 #25
Post removed Post removed Jul 2023 #31
Worded correctly by me. The WORST of the violence blm Jul 2023 #33
You've been adjusting it a lot Sympthsical Jul 2023 #34
Untrue. My edits were for brevity, not changing the facts. blm Jul 2023 #36
Well said, as usual. Ace Rothstein Jul 2023 #35
Spot-on, blm! Minnesota Umbrella Man helped burn down the Auto Zone. Kid Berwyn Jul 2023 #37
Looks like the MAGAts love their boy Aldean. Kingofalldems Jul 2023 #38
This type of response to Aldean certainly hit them blm Jul 2023 #39
Kind of like how ANTIFA was responsible for Jan. 6 senseandsensibility Jul 2023 #40

blm

(112,764 posts)
1. Murders of officers during Floyd committed by 'small town' RW terrorists.
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 08:42 PM
Jul 2023

Last edited Fri Jul 21, 2023, 09:26 PM - Edit history (1)

Copkiller Carrillo was from a ‘small town’ in California, Ben Lomond.

Far-right ‘boogaloo boys’ linked to killing of California law officers and other violence

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-17/far-right-boogaloo-boys-linked-to-killing-of-california-lawmen-other-violence

Far-right “Boogaloo boy” killed officer after using Black Lives Matter protest as cover: prosecutors

https://www.salon.com/2020/06/17/far-right-boogaloo-boy-killed-officer-after-using-black-lives-matter-protest-as-cover-prosecutors/

https://mediaproxy.salon.com/width/1200/

LakeVermilion

(992 posts)
2. This doesn't fit Aldean's narrative!
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 08:47 PM
Jul 2023

There was a St. Paul cop (not in uniform) who walked around an automotive store (near the protest) and used a baton to pop every window.

yonder

(9,610 posts)
17. I saw the video of that account a few times.
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 10:37 PM
Jul 2023

He was even shadowed by people trying to figure out who he was and why he was doing it.

I lost track of how he was discovered.

Mopar151

(9,927 posts)
18. Wasn't a St. Paul cop
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 11:18 PM
Jul 2023

But a full fledged HELLS ANGEL !! Hardcore jail bird, rolled with Aryan Cowboys inside.

blm

(112,764 posts)
5. RW terrorist from 'small town' trying to incite Floyd rioting
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 09:03 PM
Jul 2023

Minneapolis police say 'Umbrella Man' was a white supremacist trying to incite George Floyd rioting

“This was the first fire that set off a string of fires and looting throughout the precinct and the rest of the city," Sgt. Erika Christensen wrote in a search warrant affidavit filed in court this week. "Until the actions of the person your affiant has been calling 'Umbrella Man,' the protests had been relatively peaceful.

https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-police-say-umbrella-man-was-a-white-supremacist-trying-to-incite-george-floyd-rioting/571932272/

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WarGamer

(11,712 posts)
6. agree with parts of what you wrote...
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 09:38 PM
Jul 2023

But according to Snopes... NO police officers were killed AT Floyd protests...

With the sole exception of retired officer David Dorn who was killed by a garden variety criminal while responding to a Looting call, a 24 year old black man and far from a RW'er...

blm

(112,764 posts)
7. Wrong. Carrillo targeted officers who were nearby
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 09:50 PM
Jul 2023

the protests. The murders were committed DURING the protests and were directly related. Carrillo even used the BLM mark to associate his crime with them.

So, why would you need to change DURING the protests to AT, anyway? Just to be a contrarian? To find something you can call wrong? What an odd reply you offered.

“Carrillo posted messages and writings on social media sites during the weeks leading up to the shooting, describing the timing as favorable for the destruction of the government. Carrillo admitted that on May 29, 2020, he posted social media comments referring to the ongoing protests over the killing of George Floyd, and he made plans to travel to an area in Oakland where protests were expected that night. Carrillo admitted that he went to the protests with another individual, and Carrillo brought firearms and incendiary devices in a van driven by the other individual. After observing the protests, federal building and courthouse, and surrounding area, at approximately 9:44 p.m., while the other individual drove the van, Carrillo fired approximately 19 shots at the two security officers, killing Officer Underwood and wounding a second security officer with life-threatening and permanent injuries.”

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/steven-carrillo-sentenced-41-years-prison-murder-and-attempted-murder-role-drive

blm

(112,764 posts)
10. I said the worst of the violence and destruction AT the protests,
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 10:06 PM
Jul 2023

and ALL the murders of ….

In my post about the murders I said DURING. Grow up. You’re wrong. The murders of law enforcement were most certainly attached to a RightWinger who went to the protests to kill officers to blame BLM. Pretty odd that the official press release from DOJ is wrong in your view, while you believe Snopes is correct. Not to mention how strange that you’d even try to refute the facts and even the motivations of Carrillo that led to the murders.

WarGamer

(11,712 posts)
11. Tell me about David Dorn, if you can.
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 10:11 PM
Jul 2023

And you didn't say DURING... unless I missed one of your SEVERAL edits.

blm

(112,764 posts)
12. I can, but, he wasn't a TARGETED law enforcement officer.
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 10:16 PM
Jul 2023

He was older, retired and went to help protect a shop.

You need to hang your hat on that to make yourself feel better about using Snopes, I guess.

Even as you refuse to admit you were mistaken about my post once presented with the facts.

WarGamer

(11,712 posts)
13. No, I was right.
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 10:18 PM
Jul 2023

No cops killed at Floyd protests. Mostly peaceful. Closes thing was David Dorn, not killed by a RW'er.


That was my original and ONLY claim and I'm right. Good night.

blm

(112,764 posts)
14. The DURING is in the post about the murders.
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 10:21 PM
Jul 2023

You are really invested in trying to hijack this thread and dispute facts that are indisputable because…..Snopes? Really. What’s really going on with you? Why is this a battle you want to have when you’ve already been proven wrong?

Response to blm (Reply #14)

blm

(112,764 posts)
9. And further, why go to Snopes when the facts are available
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 10:01 PM
Jul 2023

from the charges filed and his guilty plea? Snopes is a pisspoor source.

blm

(112,764 posts)
21. Good point. I was going for the 'small town' terrorist
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 09:50 AM
Jul 2023

Last edited Sat Jul 22, 2023, 08:24 PM - Edit history (1)

angle on the violence and murders during that protest timeframe that received little coverage in the mainstream media and that many people are still completely unaware.

I think left made a big mistake not correcting the widespread narrative of the Republicans when the facts weigh against them and are indisputable.

Members of these same RightWing groups attacked the Capitol on Jan6.

ProfessorGAC

(63,845 posts)
27. Does He Count?
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 01:18 PM
Jul 2023

Antioch has 14,000+ people. And, it's still part of the Chicago megalopolis.
Yeah, he's a despicable punk, but in his case it's not a small town thing. He's a loser, jerk from the 'burbs.

LymphocyteLover

(5,563 posts)
28. Yeah, I suppose. I wasn't thinking in terms of the small town aspect so much as
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 02:13 PM
Jul 2023

white people coming from outside to make trouble at these protests

ProfessorGAC

(63,845 posts)
32. Ah! That Makes Sense
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 03:24 PM
Jul 2023

I live in a town of 6,000, but also in the greater metro area.
The stuff Aldean beats about wouldn't happen here either, without being an embarrassing, scandalous event.
So, I connected his stupid song to this whole thread.
But sure, Rittenhouse was an outside agitator looking to cause trouble.

carpetbagger

(4,366 posts)
19. My neighbor. I live in the next county further out from San Antonio.
Fri Jul 21, 2023, 11:20 PM
Jul 2023

On my "don't try that in a small town" is, among other things, advice to my Jewish family not to wear any religious symbols. I think about that advice whenever I find myself wanting to attend a service at a local Christian church.

gulliver

(13,129 posts)
22. Protests backfire 90% of the time, sometimes catastrophically
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 10:02 AM
Jul 2023

They stimulate all sorts of lost monsters (like in your OP), and they entice criminals, thugs, and opportunists to various levels of payday.

blm

(112,764 posts)
23. Members of these same RW groups attacked Capitol on Jan6
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 10:07 AM
Jul 2023

and THAT is something the left fails to inform the public who still blame blm for the violence around the protests.

gulliver

(13,129 posts)
24. The whole thing was a nasty mess
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 10:32 AM
Jul 2023

True, the protesters were blamed. It's completely predictable. That's what happens with protests. And forming an organization (BLM) around a slogan created a lightning rod for easy attacks from the right. Again, predictable. The whole thing was major lossage for civil rights, equality, unity, and liberal politics.

There was a lot of thinking that the Floyd murder created a breakthrough. Not so, imo. It created a lip service storm, followed by an ongoing backlash and institutional damage almost beyond reckoning.

Let's look at your case, the Jan 6th rioter groups being the source of trouble following the Floyd murder. That could be read as, "The rightwing nutsos are the problem!" Well, sort of. But say you piss off your neighbor by playing loud music. Their dog later growls at you as you walk on the sidewalk in front of their apartment. They say, "Oh, wow! I'm so sorry!" Then they give the dog a biscuit after you leave.

Response to blm (Original post)

blm

(112,764 posts)
33. Worded correctly by me. The WORST of the violence
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 03:44 PM
Jul 2023

and ALL the murders of law enforcement were committed by RW terrorists.

No one said the RW terrorists committed ALL of the destruction. They committed the worst of it.

You have no problem with general public believing the RightWing narrative that BLM and antifa protesters were the ones responsible for all the violence and destruction that occurred. You only have a problem when the lesser known facts are submitted.

Interesting to see how facts, accurately presented, trigger these kooky responses from you.

https://theintercept.com/2020/07/15/george-floyd-protests-police-far-right-antifa/

LEAKED DOCUMENTS SHOW POLICE KNEW FAR-RIGHT EXTREMISTS WERE THE REAL THREAT AT PROTESTS, NOT “ANTIFA”
An analysis of leaked law enforcement documents reveals an obsession with “antifa” despite evidence of threats of violence to police and protesters.

Sympthsical

(8,661 posts)
34. You've been adjusting it a lot
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 03:48 PM
Jul 2023

And throwing in edits and zigging and zagging to recalibrate when called out.

But the general thrust is the same - to ensure that conspiracy narrative that has been floating around for the past two or three years.

I don't debate conspiracy stuff on the Internet. Personal policy. Just wanted to point it out.

blm

(112,764 posts)
36. Untrue. My edits were for brevity, not changing the facts.
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 03:59 PM
Jul 2023

I add or subtract without changing the facts - and did NOT edit any of the facts after WarGamer’s incorrect call-out. I proved him wrong.

There is nothing ‘conspiracy theory’ in my posts. Those men are all in jail for what they did during the Floyd protests. The Dept of Justice did not prosecute and jail them based on ‘conspiracy theory’.

You claiming the posts are ‘conspiracy theory’ illustrates your willingness to promote the narratives of the Republican media machine when it suits you, over the facts AS THEY HAPPENED and as described in their guilty pleas.

Kid Berwyn

(14,334 posts)
37. Spot-on, blm! Minnesota Umbrella Man helped burn down the Auto Zone.
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 04:02 PM
Jul 2023

Since my car turned 10, it's been a favorite place to shop.



Umbrella Man: Minneapolis police link suspect to white supremacists

BBC, Published 29 July 2020

Police in Minneapolis say a man known as "Umbrella Man", seen damaging property in the city during the Black Lives Matter protests, has links to white supremacy groups.

People took to the city's streets following the death there in May of George Floyd, an unarmed black man.

Police say Umbrella Man helped turn the largely peaceful protests violent.

Footage of the man wearing a mask and carrying an umbrella while smashing shop windows went viral online.

In the video, taken on 27 May, Umbrella Man can be seen breaking the windows with a hammer as people approach him trying to get him to stop. He then walks away from the scene.

Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53579099

PS: Thanks, blm! This guy is an Agent Provocateur in the lowest sense of words, a fascist.

What's weird is how the dumbfuck got so many friends on the Internet.

blm

(112,764 posts)
39. This type of response to Aldean certainly hit them
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 04:28 PM
Jul 2023

hard enough to trigger their absurd replies and accusations.

I don’t play. I stick to facts. Fvck the trolls and their feelings. 😏

senseandsensibility

(16,314 posts)
40. Kind of like how ANTIFA was responsible for Jan. 6
Sat Jul 22, 2023, 06:14 PM
Jul 2023

in their minds. The media lets them get away with being this ignorant.

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