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flamingdem

(39,320 posts)
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:33 AM Nov 2012

Jill Kelley asks for 'diplomatic protection' from police (Updated w/Photo!)

So she thought she was immune, apparently the Generals helped her get some position at the Korean Consulate? Something like that..

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http://www2.tbo.com/news/breaking-news/2012/nov/13/2/jill-kelley-asks-for-diplomatic-protection-from-co-ar-563651/

TAMPA --

Jill Kelley so treasured her association with military leaders that the special Florida license plate on her silver Mercedes-Benz reads, "Honorary Consul 1JK."

When she called police about news crews camped out in front of her waterfront mansion, she described herself as an "honorary consul general" and asked for "diplomatic protection."

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Kelley has not spoken with reporters this week about her relationships that are at the center of the scandal. But she made her status known to Tampa police when she summoned them four times in two days to get camera crews and reporters away from her property.

"I am an honorary consul general," Kelley said in one call Sunday to a police nonemergency number. "I have inviolability. They should not be on my property. I don't know if you want to get diplomatic, uh, protection involved as well. It's against the law to cross my property. It's inviolable."

Though she has the special license plate, it remained unclear Tuesday how she qualified for it.

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Jill Kelley asks for 'diplomatic protection' from police (Updated w/Photo!) (Original Post) flamingdem Nov 2012 OP
Wtf? abelenkpe Nov 2012 #1
She's kind of like a groupie flamingdem Nov 2012 #2
Nothing but a military starfucker... as is Broadwell. They're ALL idiots, and... kysrsoze Nov 2012 #61
In this case we want them to fawn flamingdem Nov 2012 #64
"Though she has the special license plate, it remained unclear Tuesday how she qualified for it." calimary Nov 2012 #104
A guess or two Aerows Nov 2012 #120
Wow she feels entitled... haikugal Nov 2012 #3
Most people who live in mansions do! 2naSalit Nov 2012 #107
Part of the group that "wants stuff" Mr. Mojo Risen Nov 2012 #148
Get the big net for this one jberryhill Nov 2012 #4
Who the hell has the power to give her titles of ambassador and consul Horse with no Name Nov 2012 #5
Someone needs to talk to the Ambassador from Lebanon. nt MADem Nov 2012 #101
It's not for Lebanon Aerows Nov 2012 #122
Yeah--I found that out later! But this explains the "State Department" confusion about her at the MADem Nov 2012 #144
I bet she's getting a ton of anonymous email now :) aletier_v Nov 2012 #6
Sans shirt and trousers! flamingdem Nov 2012 #9
Black Adder Ditty HangOnKids Nov 2012 #23
Great stuff, but blogslut Nov 2012 #7
Well those are mostly single sentences flamingdem Nov 2012 #12
"it remained unclear Tuesday how she qualified for it..." BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #8
You sir are flamingdem Nov 2012 #10
yeah, I also liked the comment that Patreaus' staff was "puzzled by her presence" aletier_v Nov 2012 #11
The State Department referred questions to Korea? This is crazy. DURHAM D Nov 2012 #16
Yes, I though she was sort of a voluntary liason btw LEBANESE nationals and the military. JimDandy Nov 2012 #36
NOTE: We're talking about Florida here flamingdem Nov 2012 #38
True, true. JimDandy Nov 2012 #45
This accounts for the initial confusion about a STATE DEPARTMENT connection, though. nt MADem Nov 2012 #100
Exactly What Makes Her Inviolable? HangOnKids Nov 2012 #13
I bet the loansharks don't see her as flamingdem Nov 2012 #15
Sharks Are Born Swimming HangOnKids Nov 2012 #22
She better make up a conspiracy and quick flamingdem Nov 2012 #26
And the CIA let someone with that kind of debt JimDandy Nov 2012 #49
He must have enjoyed the desperation or be naive flamingdem Nov 2012 #51
But was she just a groupie? She cavorted with two Generals, appears to have sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #73
It is not really bi-partisan. DURHAM D Nov 2012 #87
So she isn't really bi-partisan - she just experimented a bit when she was younger? n/t whopis01 Nov 2012 #119
Sophomore year. Everyone in her dorm was doing it. Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #137
I'm with you, it is mighty strange. At first I thought maybe her sister dmr Nov 2012 #92
Are these women illegal 2naSalit Nov 2012 #109
Oh I Get This Is No Ordinary Groupie HangOnKids Nov 2012 #118
Fascination with TWINS entice Men of Mystery.... DearAbby Nov 2012 #150
May she was on the pill? lutefisk Nov 2012 #128
God, it's a circus of morons. Marr Nov 2012 #14
Succinct, exact, perfect alcibiades_mystery Nov 2012 #115
I want to frame this and hang it on my wall. yardwork Nov 2012 #121
Falling Down aletier_v Nov 2012 #17
Apparently she is authorized in some way to conduct business for the South Korean government stevenleser Nov 2012 #18
"business" flamingdem Nov 2012 #21
Given that she was born in Lebanon DURHAM D Nov 2012 #27
If she's authorized to conduct business for S. Korea, what was a U.S General doing sending her tons aint_no_life_nowhere Nov 2012 #53
It wouldnt make a difference either way. She is still a US citizen. stevenleser Nov 2012 #59
Maybe it's a way of getting around the Agent of a Foreign flamingdem Nov 2012 #88
Ooops, someone took her ID card away. LOL. Guess they finally TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #19
Why did it take so long for them to do so? The investigation has been going on since MAY! JimDandy Nov 2012 #54
Current MacDill commander must not be under her special magic spell. TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #55
Aaah, a change in base commanders btw now and then. JimDandy Nov 2012 #84
This is almost incestuous. Blue_In_AK Nov 2012 #20
Yes. It is creepy. DURHAM D Nov 2012 #24
Wait a damn minute. nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #25
Is this a fake plate? flamingdem Nov 2012 #28
No DURHAM D Nov 2012 #30
Here nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #31
But factor in the eyelash batting and name dropping flamingdem Nov 2012 #35
That is another story nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #39
Read the article. DURHAM D Nov 2012 #29
Exactly, I can buy that she has some connection flamingdem Nov 2012 #32
haha. It's a "personalized plate" aletier_v Nov 2012 #33
WELL 2naSalit Nov 2012 #110
I read it nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #34
One more time - Broadwell's lost driver's license means something. :) aletier_v Nov 2012 #42
Yup nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #44
I have to admit this one really bugs me flamingdem Nov 2012 #46
Rock Creek Park is where Chandra Levy's body was found. DURHAM D Nov 2012 #47
Has Broadwell had anyrhing to say about her DL pnwest Nov 2012 #68
convenient way to riverwalker Nov 2012 #113
"That is not a diplomatic plate, unless Florida is a nation state" aletier_v Nov 2012 #37
They did while we were at the movies nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #40
Jill Kelley is Secretary of flamingdem Nov 2012 #41
I am going to call tomorrow and see if my state issues that type of tag. DURHAM D Nov 2012 #43
I want one too flamingdem Nov 2012 #48
Heartily agreed. nt Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #70
according to the article, Florida does issue those pnwest Nov 2012 #66
It appears to be legit, according to this: bayareamike Nov 2012 #82
I will be damned nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #125
CA does it as well WinniSkipper Nov 2012 #145
I heard.... ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2012 #50
Key West royalty huh? flamingdem Nov 2012 #52
As I posted earlier, apparently this is legit stevenleser Nov 2012 #56
I wonder how many states issue that sort of tag. DURHAM D Nov 2012 #57
I'm guessing all states would/can issue consular tags. Diplomatic tags I think are a different story stevenleser Nov 2012 #63
In some related article it indicated that the Generals helped her get this post flamingdem Nov 2012 #60
Better than cheap, they're often free. It all depends on the arrangement. stevenleser Nov 2012 #67
I am finding this interesting also. DURHAM D Nov 2012 #72
Think of it this way, a country can open up a consulate in virtually any town or city stevenleser Nov 2012 #76
I currently live in NC. DURHAM D Nov 2012 #80
Here are pictures of honorary consul license plates in most states stevenleser Nov 2012 #86
Thanks - I see most states are pretty subtle. DURHAM D Nov 2012 #93
"there is usually a good reason a particular person is selected." davepc Nov 2012 #79
Or procuring Koreans for said same jberryhill Nov 2012 #129
Apparently bangin' them Gangnam-style. JBoy Nov 2012 #132
the "sesy lady" line was written for Jill I hear! flamingdem Nov 2012 #143
Plenty of "good reasons" to select Jill! flamingdem Nov 2012 #90
So ludicrous - must K & R for all the rest. JimDandy Nov 2012 #58
I'm addicted to this story flamingdem Nov 2012 #62
Does this mean she has Diplomatic Quimmunity? Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #65
FYI all, this request by her for police protection seems to be an abuse of her position. An honorary stevenleser Nov 2012 #69
I hope the Koreans send over a motorcade and demand flamingdem Nov 2012 #71
And you know they never said JimDandy Nov 2012 #74
Of course! This is not your garden variety conspiracy, not at all! flamingdem Nov 2012 #81
Hope they get the national anthem right when she enters the room. DURHAM D Nov 2012 #85
He he he. We're getting pretty punchy. JimDandy Nov 2012 #89
ROTFLMAO (altho I think ninjas are Japanese, technically coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #108
She did it before Oilwellian Nov 2012 #94
No harm in asking Corgigal Nov 2012 #154
For what it's worth here is a story of another random honorary consul in FL bayareamike Nov 2012 #75
I AM TOTALLY ALL OVER THAT SHIT NOW- I want to collect those titles like Pokemon. Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #77
Oh, geez laughed so much I had to run for bathroom. JimDandy Nov 2012 #96
I just talked to a dude in Windhoek who said if I send him $300 it's a done deal! Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #102
Nigeria....That's the ticket!!!! dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #134
I'm honorary Queen of England BainsBane Nov 2012 #78
The abuse of power. nt Hutzpa Nov 2012 #83
"Honorary" means just that. Fake. Lint Head Nov 2012 #91
You'd think that- but actually it's a "Real Deal". See here: Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #97
Thats not correct in this case. An honorary consul can perform various official consular functions. stevenleser Nov 2012 #98
What a DimWinger! intaglio Nov 2012 #95
There are quite a few of these Lebanese "honorary consuls" around the world. MADem Nov 2012 #99
Twice as many Israeli "honorary consuls"! What does it mean? Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #103
It's a bifurcated effort, I think. MADem Nov 2012 #147
Or maybe it's not about "Lebanese" or "Israeli" at all, just individuals. nt Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #149
I meant "bifurcated" from the perspective of the issuing nation--in this case, the South Koreans. n MADem Nov 2012 #152
''I have inviolability.'' DeSwiss Nov 2012 #105
Give us a break, Jill. BlueMTexpat Nov 2012 #106
Awww 2naSalit Nov 2012 #112
Gee, an airhead socialite who can afford a 100K Mercedes but can't figure out how to use Wikipedia Azathoth Nov 2012 #111
Well, the immunities they have only come into play when they are performing consular duties. stevenleser Nov 2012 #123
kick! Segami Nov 2012 #114
She sounds like an epic narcissist. Odin2005 Nov 2012 #116
kardashians with generals spanone Nov 2012 #117
Check this from 2007: "Florida man with no Austrian ties becomes country’s honorary consul" Chiyo-chichi Nov 2012 #124
This is great. DURHAM D Nov 2012 #130
If the tea-baggers EVER had a case for "gov't. is too big", this MIGHT be bullwinkle428 Nov 2012 #135
You could not make this stuff up RogerM Nov 2012 #126
I got an e-mail once from Nigeria saying I had been made a diplomat for that country. Kaleva Nov 2012 #127
go for it, then you'll have flamingdem Nov 2012 #133
Whack. Job. And wowser is she ignorant too boot. nt truebluegreen Nov 2012 #131
This story gets more bizarre by the day Marrah_G Nov 2012 #136
I still think they are republican hookers lalalu Nov 2012 #138
If the truth ever comes out, it'll read like some schlocky supermarket paperback political thriller Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #151
"Though she has the special license plate, it remained unclear Tuesday how she qualified for it." rocktivity Nov 2012 #139
the rest of her plate says: 'I joking'. Whisp Nov 2012 #140
All Republican women are crazy...every freaking one of them...nt joeybee12 Nov 2012 #141
I smell a lot of people headed for the Big House hifiguy Nov 2012 #142
I can only imagine what she was like at the DMV trying to assert her need for special plates. Sheepshank Nov 2012 #146
Not uncommon, a friend and I did that in Italy. HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #153
Kick again for a fun, must read thread! JimDandy Nov 2012 #155
We had our fun but now it looks like things will be flamingdem Nov 2012 #156

kysrsoze

(6,023 posts)
61. Nothing but a military starfucker... as is Broadwell. They're ALL idiots, and...
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:42 AM
Nov 2012

this whole thing is like a middle-aged 90210 episode. It's embarrassing how the media have been fawning over this whole sideshow... but what's new?

flamingdem

(39,320 posts)
64. In this case we want them to fawn
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:45 AM
Nov 2012

because Republicans are being outed as the usual mix of sleazy and dishonest!

calimary

(81,447 posts)
104. "Though she has the special license plate, it remained unclear Tuesday how she qualified for it."
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:01 AM
Nov 2012

No kidding. I think we can all venture a guess or two.



This is nuts. Getting nuttier and nuttier. Where did I hear the phrase "Real Housewives of CentCom"? I think this qualifies. America sure loves a reality show. They're the most surreal shows out there. Out there indeed!

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
5. Who the hell has the power to give her titles of ambassador and consul
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:43 AM
Nov 2012

Complete with license plate and all....


Where exactly is Cheney's bunker?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
122. It's not for Lebanon
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:09 AM
Nov 2012

That *almost* might somehow make sense. She's "honorary consul" for South Korea.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
144. Yeah--I found that out later! But this explains the "State Department" confusion about her at the
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:17 PM
Nov 2012

outset.

Lebanon does have a large number of honorary consuls, in US, Canada, and elsewhere. Given her heritage, that's the leap I made!

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
23. Black Adder Ditty
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:08 AM
Nov 2012

Row row row your boat gently down the stream
Belts off trousers down
Isn't Life a scream

flamingdem

(39,320 posts)
12. Well those are mostly single sentences
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:50 AM
Nov 2012

the rule is paragraphs so it's not really much more, it's the way they write this stuff now

aletier_v

(1,773 posts)
11. yeah, I also liked the comment that Patreaus' staff was "puzzled by her presence"
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:50 AM
Nov 2012

To quote Kyle Reese....

"WHO IS IN CHARGE HERE?"

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
16. The State Department referred questions to Korea? This is crazy.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:59 AM
Nov 2012
Though she has the special license plate, it remained unclear Tuesday how she qualified for it.

Applicants must show proof they are members of the Honorary Consular Corps, which appears from the U.S. Department of State website to consist of representatives from foreign countries. Florida verifies that with the State Department, said Courtney Heidelberg, who is with the Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles.

Florida has issued 107 such license plates.

Mark Toner, deputy spokesman with the State Department, said Kelley "does not work for State, has no affiliation with State."

His office referred all questions about Kelley to the Republic of Korea in an email received after hours
.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
36. Yes, I though she was sort of a voluntary liason btw LEBANESE nationals and the military.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:17 AM
Nov 2012

KOREA? What the....

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
13. Exactly What Makes Her Inviolable?
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:54 AM
Nov 2012

1. Secure from violation or profanation: an inviolable reliquary deep beneath the altar.
2. Impregnable to assault or trespass; invincible: fortifications that made the frontier inviolable.


Being a groupie at the O Club now has that kind of power? INCONCEIVABLE!

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
22. Sharks Are Born Swimming
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:06 AM
Nov 2012

They will eat her ass alive. Will Petraus and Allen be their to protect their friend" then?

flamingdem

(39,320 posts)
26. She better make up a conspiracy and quick
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:11 AM
Nov 2012

to get into the witness protection program! Maybe they'd set her up in the Caymans!

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
49. And the CIA let someone with that kind of debt
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:29 AM
Nov 2012

be that close to a general who has top secret clearance for that long a time.

flamingdem

(39,320 posts)
51. He must have enjoyed the desperation or be naive
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:33 AM
Nov 2012


A General has got to have some issues. Perhaps he dresses in a tutu in his time off. I only fear we won't get the true story!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
73. But was she just a groupie? She cavorted with two Generals, appears to have
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:56 AM
Nov 2012

had a relatively close relationship with them. Enough that both of them intervened in her twin sister's custody case. Now it has been reported that a top Democratic Fundraiser lent her over $300,000 and that she knew Sen. John Kerry and Sen. Whitehouse who her twin sister also used in her custody case, referring to her meeting them with her young son.

So, to put it mildly, these two twin sisters appear to have had relationships with top members of both political parties.

So who are they? On the surface she is just an ordinary person, married to a doctor. Not an elected official, not part of any Government entity. Her sister was married for one year to what appears to have been a Military Contractor. They had a child and according to court records, she lost custody of her child despite recommendations from both Gen. Petraeus and Gen. Allen and references to Sen. Kerry and Sen. Whitehouse.

What 'groupie' has this kind of support from such powerful people? And what groupie has the money to become the kind of Hostess to the powerful that she appears to have had. And despite all these connections she appears to be in millions of dollars worth of debt. Yet was able to get a personal loan of hundreds of thousands of dollars from a top Democratic Fundraiser?

I don't think this was just an ordinary groupie. I have no idea who they are, but there is something really strange about all of this and it appears to be bi-partisan.

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
87. It is not really bi-partisan.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:14 AM
Nov 2012

She had a relationship with one Democrat who raised money for John Kerry. All other relationships, and there appear to be thousands, were with Republicans.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
137. Sophomore year. Everyone in her dorm was doing it.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:49 PM
Nov 2012

Just to experience all the fuss over what being a Democrat was all about.

dmr

(28,349 posts)
92. I'm with you, it is mighty strange. At first I thought maybe her sister
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:20 AM
Nov 2012

was a name dropper; and was dropping major names to the family court judge.

But I don't know, it all smells. Were these women collecting information (domestic or political intel)? Seeing that Petraus was the CIA Director, was he using Kelly? Was she gathering info on Allen for Petraus or for someone else? Which might explain the 20,000 emails. Are there other women, or other leaders who have been compromised?

Earlier today, I was telling this story to my adult son, and I found myself, without realizing it, saying repeatedly to him, "Remember, they're all Neo-cons. They're not the same as your run of the mill Republican." I don't even know if that statement is true, or why I kept repeating it. I believe Petraus is a Neo-con, though.

I'm babbling. Time for bed.

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
118. Oh I Get This Is No Ordinary Groupie
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:56 AM
Nov 2012

I was being facetious. These twins are much more than that, how much more is the BIG QUESTION.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
115. Succinct, exact, perfect
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 09:09 AM
Nov 2012

You summarized my thoughts on reading this story. Indeed, you taught them to me better than I knew them!



aletier_v

(1,773 posts)
17. Falling Down
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:00 AM
Nov 2012

A summer sun that blows my mind
is falling down on all that I've ever known

Time will kiss the world goodbye
Falling down on all that I've ever known


 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
18. Apparently she is authorized in some way to conduct business for the South Korean government
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:03 AM
Nov 2012
http://consularchamber.blogspot.com/2009/05/what-is-honorary-consul.html

HONORARY CONSULS

Like their counterparts the standard consuls and consuls general (often referred to as “career consuls”), the honorary consul is an official of the sending country. Unlike regular consuls however, the honorary consul is not a government employee of the sending state, and therefore does not change posts based on changes of administration in the sending country.

Honorary consuls are generally dignitaries or persons of position in business and society in the receiving state, while having some connection to the sending state. Honorary consuls are not necessarily citizens of the sending states; rather, they are recognized by the sending states as persons of influence, capable of furthering the objectives of the sending state in the receiving state.

Honorary consuls may represent large and densely populated counties, or, as is often the case, small countries in the developing world which seek to promote business diplomacy. As big business often seeks to establish itself in the developing world, honorary consuls are often chosen for their acumen in such environs.

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Interesting. I had no idea such diplomatic positions exist but apparently they are not uncommon and most countries hire citizens in other countries to be such folks.

flamingdem

(39,320 posts)
21. "business"
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:06 AM
Nov 2012

now what might that be ... there are two equally compromising angles: military business and um social coordinator work

I hope Paula's dad is right and there's a big story underneath. We need to tie up the loose ends and move on to the next Republican meltdown

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
27. Given that she was born in Lebanon
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:11 AM
Nov 2012

it would make more sense if she had a diplomatic position granted by, ya know, Lebanon.

However, in this drama I realize that is way to rational.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
53. If she's authorized to conduct business for S. Korea, what was a U.S General doing sending her tons
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:34 AM
Nov 2012

of e-mails? I don't care if they were discussing baseball, it doesn't seem right for a top general to deal with someone engaged in conducting business on behalf of a foreign state without the authorization of the state department.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
59. It wouldnt make a difference either way. She is still a US citizen.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:41 AM
Nov 2012

Lets say I knew a lot about port business here in NYC and the new pacific island nation called "Republic of NewBeach" couldnt afford to have a person sent here full time. They could name me an honorary consul and I could work to set up business contacts on their behalf, even though I am not a citizen of NewBeach and dont have any other ties to them.

I would still be a US citizen and there is no reason to think I would pass any kind of security information to the Republic of NewBeach.

I'm just learning about this in real time, but have now done a bit of research and think I have a pretty good handle on it.

flamingdem

(39,320 posts)
88. Maybe it's a way of getting around the Agent of a Foreign
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:15 AM
Nov 2012

Country idea that is kind of serious and meant for those pushing political interests

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
19. Ooops, someone took her ID card away. LOL. Guess they finally
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:04 AM
Nov 2012

starting wondering why this woman was allowed to be on a military base, "planning parties".

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
54. Why did it take so long for them to do so? The investigation has been going on since MAY!
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:34 AM
Nov 2012

"She did have base access but does not currently because of her involvement in an ongoing investigation," a military official told the Tribune.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
25. Wait a damn minute.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:10 AM
Nov 2012



That is not a diplomatic plate, unless Florida is a nation state.

No, I am serious as a heart attack. Diplomatic plates are issued by State and are property of the FEDERAL government.

flamingdem

(39,320 posts)
28. Is this a fake plate?
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:12 AM
Nov 2012

That could land her in trouble, probably used with unsuspecting cops to avoid speeding and parking tickets!

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
31. Here
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:15 AM
Nov 2012
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ficheiro:US_Diplomatic_Plate.jpg

And cops should know what a diplomatic plate looks like.

I had a momemt of wtf since I see them often at the Federal Building downtown.

flamingdem

(39,320 posts)
35. But factor in the eyelash batting and name dropping
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:17 AM
Nov 2012

and they might overlook the fake-o plate! Something tells me she's had experience along those lines.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
39. That is another story
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:19 AM
Nov 2012

But if I am at a scene and somebody pulls that shit...my camera goes on burst.

flamingdem

(39,320 posts)
32. Exactly, I can buy that she has some connection
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:15 AM
Nov 2012

consular something, but the plates are meaningless apparently if not issued by the state, or .. something.

2naSalit

(86,775 posts)
110. WELL
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:55 AM
Nov 2012

Now who in their right mind (I know this is obviously not the case here) would have the vanity plate say "honorary" on it?

I think she's just bling-crazy and tries to use it to try and look hot. Aside from the fact that the other photos in the media show her in pret-ty short skirts for a gal in her 30's. Just sayin'...

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
34. I read it
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:17 AM
Nov 2012

The plate is not a diplomatic plate.

And her position, that alone should have prevented any access to any us base, or limited it with military police. NoFor used to mean something.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
44. Yup
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:24 AM
Nov 2012

At this point a runner going out for a run losing their dl a a well known running path is no coincidence. I know.

flamingdem

(39,320 posts)
46. I have to admit this one really bugs me
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:25 AM
Nov 2012

Seems like it was jettisoned by someone but meant to be found.

aletier_v

(1,773 posts)
37. "That is not a diplomatic plate, unless Florida is a nation state"
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:19 AM
Nov 2012

are you trying to tie this scandal back to the secession threads?

bravo!

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
40. They did while we were at the movies
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:22 AM
Nov 2012

Apparently a James Bond flick connects me to a parallel universe.



It almost feels that way.

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
43. I am going to call tomorrow and see if my state issues that type of tag.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:24 AM
Nov 2012

If they do then I will call a friend in Estonia who works for the government and see if I can get a letter and get one of those. Unfortunately I don't have a Mercedes to put it on.

This tag thing is the craziest bit yet.

pnwest

(3,266 posts)
66. according to the article, Florida does issue those
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:47 AM
Nov 2012

plates on behalf of State, once the qualification has been verified. But, the article also quotes someone stating adamently, that Kelley has no affiliation with, and does not work for State.

Unless I read that wrong, but that's what I got out if it.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
125. I will be damned
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:49 AM
Nov 2012

Florida has taken over a function of the Federal Government.

So how limited is the actual immunity? That cannot be a rolling embassy.

flamingdem

(39,320 posts)
52. Key West royalty huh?
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:34 AM
Nov 2012

She seems a bit too elite for that but in the end she'll be wasting away in Margaritaville

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
56. As I posted earlier, apparently this is legit
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:37 AM
Nov 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consul_(representative)#Honorary_consul

Any country can appoint any citizen of any other country to be an honorary consul and they essentially have some diplomatic rights, privileges, etc.

Of course, there is usually a good reason a particular person is selected. They may have good business contacts in an area, etc.
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
63. I'm guessing all states would/can issue consular tags. Diplomatic tags I think are a different story
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:45 AM
Nov 2012

I think the federal govt has to issue diplomatic tags.

flamingdem

(39,320 posts)
60. In some related article it indicated that the Generals helped her get this post
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:42 AM
Nov 2012

So the poor clueless Koreans don't have any idea who they're dealing with -- and she may have thought it was a good thing but it's probably more social coordination and not much pay-off (they're cheap?).

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
67. Better than cheap, they're often free. It all depends on the arrangement.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:48 AM
Nov 2012

I'm fascinated by this now. I'm only sad I wouldnt be useful as one to any country because I live in NYC and most countries have a consulate here staffed by permanent folks. Honorary Consuls are generally named who live in cities and regions where those countries have no consular representation.

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
72. I am finding this interesting also.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:53 AM
Nov 2012

I really don't think most states issue those tags btw. Something to keep in mind, her sister Natalie dated Charlie Crist so maybe he helped arrange the S. Korean relationship and tag.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
76. Think of it this way, a country can open up a consulate in virtually any town or city
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:59 AM
Nov 2012

it has to be approved by the host country, but these requests are almost always approved. England could open a consulate in Atlanta (assuming they dont already have one there) or Raleigh, or Provo, or Las Vegas. Those states would have to have tags for the consular staff. Its possible that to this point there are no consulates and no honorary consuls in states like Wyoming and because of that Wyoming may not have tags created for this, but it would seem each state would accomodate this when it occurs.

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
80. I currently live in NC.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:06 AM
Nov 2012

I have lived in the Midwest, the Southwest, the West, and the Pacific NW - car cultures all. I have never seen a state issued tag of that type.

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
93. Thanks - I see most states are pretty subtle.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:21 AM
Nov 2012

Florida has the best, they look important. But then that state is bat crap crazy.

davepc

(3,936 posts)
79. "there is usually a good reason a particular person is selected."
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:04 AM
Nov 2012

Banging half the top commanders at CENTCOM might qualify....

flamingdem

(39,320 posts)
143. the "sesy lady" line was written for Jill I hear!
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:11 PM
Nov 2012

part of the Korean conspiracy scandal just beginning to break

flamingdem

(39,320 posts)
62. I'm addicted to this story
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:44 AM
Nov 2012

because I sense a boiling cauldron of Republican evil at the center of it all. We can only hope. It would be a nice extra gift to Obama and clear out some of the cobwebs.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
69. FYI all, this request by her for police protection seems to be an abuse of her position. An honorary
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:51 AM
Nov 2012

consul CAN request this kind of assistance and also is entitled to limited forms of diplomatic immunity ONLY IF AND WHEN THEY ARE CONDUCTING CONSULAR BUSINESS ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTRY FOR WHOM THEY ARE WORKING.

An honorary consul cannot sic the police on people for the heck of it, as this person seems to have done.

flamingdem

(39,320 posts)
71. I hope the Koreans send over a motorcade and demand
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:53 AM
Nov 2012

that she be treated in accordance with Korean law!

Throw in a few ninjas for effect.

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
85. Hope they get the national anthem right when she enters the room.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:10 AM
Nov 2012

I recall a little problem at the Olympics. Apparently it is easy to get confused.

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
154. No harm in asking
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:42 PM
Nov 2012

however I'm sure when Tampa Police dept showed up they laughed their asses off. They probably just asked the press to stay on a sidewalk or something. I'm sure no one was arrested.

bayareamike

(602 posts)
75. For what it's worth here is a story of another random honorary consul in FL
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:59 AM
Nov 2012

Some guy became an honorary consul for Austria just by applying and they "took him up on the offer":

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/national/BO42595/

Seems like this might just be a kooky thing going on in Florida? Of all places, this would be going on in Florida

Bizarre, bizarre, bizarre.

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
77. I AM TOTALLY ALL OVER THAT SHIT NOW- I want to collect those titles like Pokemon.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:03 AM
Nov 2012

But fuck that shit with France or some country that's going to check with my parole officer.

Namibia. Namibia's not going to check up on me. They would totally make me an Honorary Council. I just fucking got a haircut, too.

PB

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
102. I just talked to a dude in Windhoek who said if I send him $300 it's a done deal!
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:54 AM
Nov 2012

I already put in a suggestion for more fitting accommodations.

PB

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
91. "Honorary" means just that. Fake.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:20 AM
Nov 2012

Defined as; held or given only as an honour, without the normal "privileges" or "duties". Emphasis on without the normal "privileges".

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
98. Thats not correct in this case. An honorary consul can perform various official consular functions.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:24 AM
Nov 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consul_(representative)#Honorary_consul

Some consuls are not career officials of the represented state at all; some are locally-engaged staff with the nationality of the sending country,and in smaller cities, or in cities that are very distant from full-time diplomatic missions, a foreign government which feels that some form of representation is nevertheless desirable may appoint a person who has not hitherto been part of their diplomatic service to fulfill this role. Such a consul may well combine the job with his or her own (often commercial) private activities, and in some instances may not even be a citizen of the sending country. Such consular appointments are usually given the title of honorary consul. Graham Greene used this position as the title of his 1973 novel The Honorary Consul.

Notwithstanding their other roles, Honorary Consular Officers (in the widest use of the term) also have responsibility for the welfare of citizens of the appointing country within their bailiwick. Thus, particularly within a port town, an Honorary Consul may be called out (at any time, day or night) to attend to the well-being of a citizen of the appointing country who has been arrested. Their role in this situation is to ensure that the arrested persons are treated in a like manner as would be the citizen of the country in which this person was arrested, and understand their rights & obligations.

intaglio

(8,170 posts)
95. What a DimWinger!
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:22 AM
Nov 2012

Honorary Consuls are not entitled to "Diplomatic Protection" even in the foreign country where they are working because they do not have accreditation. Sure, the country for which they are working could raise hell with a host country that harassed them but they would not provide protection. No Consul, accredited or not, has any right to diplomatic protection in the country for which they are acting.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
99. There are quite a few of these Lebanese "honorary consuls" around the world.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:50 AM
Nov 2012

They are usually wealthy people who are well connected. Really--do the google, you will be surprised.

I don't know if the "honorary" title entitles them to diplomatic immunity or protection, though, any more than being an honorary fireman entitles someone to a fireman's outfit, a paycheck and a pension...!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
147. It's a bifurcated effort, I think.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:46 PM
Nov 2012

It extends the reach of the embassy for very little outlay, and it provides customer service to citizens of these foreign nations.

And, who knows, there may be a Pollard or two in those ranks as well...but if there are, they're hiding in very plain sight.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
152. I meant "bifurcated" from the perspective of the issuing nation--in this case, the South Koreans. n
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:33 PM
Nov 2012
 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
105. ''I have inviolability.''
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:17 AM
Nov 2012
- This is Florida, right? StandYourGroundsville? I suppose those reporters are lucky she didn't come out shooting.....


K&R

''Jus, run em over. That's
what I always do......''

BlueMTexpat

(15,373 posts)
106. Give us a break, Jill.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:26 AM
Nov 2012

But, if this is indeed true, here is some information about "honorary consuls."

http://consularchamber.blogspot.ch/2009/05/what-is-honorary-consul.html

Here is more information about this, and specifically about Kelley:

...
The position of honorary consul is symbolic and has no official responsibilities, the official said.

"She does not work as a real consul. They play a role to improve the relationship between the ROK and the U.S.," the official said. "Jill Kelley helped to get support for [the Korea-U.S. Free Trade Agreement] and she arranged meetings between the ROK Ambassador to Washington and local businessmen when the ROK Ambassador visited the Tampa area."

There's no implication that the South Korean government has anything to do with the growing scandal that involves Kelly, Allen, Petraeus, and Paula Broadwell, Petraeus's biographer and alleged mistress. But her work on behalf of the South Koreans may explain some of the 20,000 to 30,000 pages of e-mails between her and Allen that the Defense Department's Inspector General's office is investigating now.
...
In fact, "honorary" diplomats have no specific privileges or protections under the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations and therefore her property is not actually ''inviolable" as a matter of international law.


http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/11/13/jill_kelley_is_an_honorary_consul_of_south_korea

Azathoth

(4,611 posts)
111. Gee, an airhead socialite who can afford a 100K Mercedes but can't figure out how to use Wikipedia
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:57 AM
Nov 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consular_immunity

No diplomatic immunity, no inviolability of residence or office, no get-out-of-jail-free card when reporters come a-knocking.
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
123. Well, the immunities they have only come into play when they are performing consular duties.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:29 AM
Nov 2012

A consul rushing to the police station to meet with a person who has been arrested as part of their consular duties cannot be cited for speeding or reckless driving and their car should not be towed for doubleparking.

It definitely does NOT include sic'ing the police on reporters camped out on her lawn.

Chiyo-chichi

(3,586 posts)
124. Check this from 2007: "Florida man with no Austrian ties becomes country’s honorary consul"
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:49 AM
Nov 2012
http://arbroath.blogspot.com/2007/02/florida-man-with-no-austrian-ties.html



Toby Unwin was an unlikely choice as Austria’s newest honorary consul. He has never been to Austria, has no Austrian heritage, and doesn’t speak German, the country’s official language. But he is a successful businessman with a clean background, and he did ask nicely. The 33-year-old, originally from England, once read that people could become amateur diplomats by writing foreign officials and inquiring. After he made several attempts, Austria took him up on his offer.


The job doesn’t pay, but Unwin does get the authority to issue emergency visas, the title of honorary consul, Republic of Austria, and a license plate that can get him out of tickets. To start the office in late October, Unwin received a map of Austria, stamps for official documents, a CD and sheet music of the national and European anthems, and three flags. He has been studying German and plans to visit Austria this summer.

Unwin has already helped one Austrian arrested for allegedly keeping a rental car too long.

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
130. This is great.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:09 PM
Nov 2012

I can not stop laughing about this whole mess.

I have learned a lot in the past few hours.

bullwinkle428

(20,630 posts)
135. If the tea-baggers EVER had a case for "gov't. is too big", this MIGHT be
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:35 PM
Nov 2012

considered somewhat acceptable evidence!

Kaleva

(36,340 posts)
127. I got an e-mail once from Nigeria saying I had been made a diplomat for that country.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:55 AM
Nov 2012

Just had to send $1,000.00 to speed up the processing of paperwork and I would soon get my diplomatic license plates and I.D. in the mail.

J/K!

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
136. This story gets more bizarre by the day
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 12:37 PM
Nov 2012

If she wasn't married I would have been wondering if she wasn't a high paid escort or something, its all just so weird. I am at a loss as to how a doctor's wife, without a job gets access to so many people in such powerful positions.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
151. If the truth ever comes out, it'll read like some schlocky supermarket paperback political thriller
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:25 PM
Nov 2012

rocktivity

(44,577 posts)
139. "Though she has the special license plate, it remained unclear Tuesday how she qualified for it."
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 01:57 PM
Nov 2012

It remains unclear how she, her sister, and Broadwell qualified for a LOT of things.


rocktivity

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
146. I can only imagine what she was like at the DMV trying to assert her need for special plates.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:21 PM
Nov 2012

Throws a whole new light on the type of person that would call the FBI over e-mails she didn't like, and calling 9-1-1 over her attempt to hide behind falsely presumed diplomatic immunity.

Entitled much?

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
153. Not uncommon, a friend and I did that in Italy.
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 03:52 PM
Nov 2012

I was in Genoa several years ago, US Counsel came to meet us. She said for us not to hesitate to call if there was anything she could do for us, so I asked her for a diplomatic tag (since parking was a nightmare, and we didn't want to get towed) and a "get out of jail free card". She laughed, I told her we knew the Ambassador, and she was like "yea, sure you do". So she went back to her office, called the Ambassador, he confirmed he knew us, and she came back to us with some kind of Special Counsel certificates ( which meant if we were arrested by police they had to take us to consulate instead of jail), and a tag to hang from mirror so we wouldn't get ticketed or towed.

The tag was a big help. The "get out of jail free card" of course we didn't need, but it was great fun showing it off to friends.

flamingdem

(39,320 posts)
156. We had our fun but now it looks like things will be
Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:20 PM
Nov 2012

swept under the carpet, noooo! What about the North Korean connection, we'll have to contact the FBI, this is too important to national security, uh I think.

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