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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJill Kelley asks for 'diplomatic protection' from police (Updated w/Photo!)
So she thought she was immune, apparently the Generals helped her get some position at the Korean Consulate? Something like that..
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http://www2.tbo.com/news/breaking-news/2012/nov/13/2/jill-kelley-asks-for-diplomatic-protection-from-co-ar-563651/
TAMPA --
Jill Kelley so treasured her association with military leaders that the special Florida license plate on her silver Mercedes-Benz reads, "Honorary Consul 1JK."
When she called police about news crews camped out in front of her waterfront mansion, she described herself as an "honorary consul general" and asked for "diplomatic protection."
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Kelley has not spoken with reporters this week about her relationships that are at the center of the scandal. But she made her status known to Tampa police when she summoned them four times in two days to get camera crews and reporters away from her property.
"I am an honorary consul general," Kelley said in one call Sunday to a police nonemergency number. "I have inviolability. They should not be on my property. I don't know if you want to get diplomatic, uh, protection involved as well. It's against the law to cross my property. It's inviolable."
Though she has the special license plate, it remained unclear Tuesday how she qualified for it.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)Is she royalty? This is the strangest story ever.
flamingdem
(39,320 posts)with delusions of grandeur, very dangerous!
kysrsoze
(6,023 posts)this whole thing is like a middle-aged 90210 episode. It's embarrassing how the media have been fawning over this whole sideshow... but what's new?
flamingdem
(39,320 posts)because Republicans are being outed as the usual mix of sleazy and dishonest!
calimary
(81,447 posts)No kidding. I think we can all venture a guess or two.
This is nuts. Getting nuttier and nuttier. Where did I hear the phrase "Real Housewives of CentCom"? I think this qualifies. America sure loves a reality show. They're the most surreal shows out there. Out there indeed!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Guess number one: On her knees
Guess number two: On her back
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Inviolable...really?
2naSalit
(86,775 posts)Mr. Mojo Risen
(104 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)Complete with license plate and all....
Where exactly is Cheney's bunker?
MADem
(135,425 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)That *almost* might somehow make sense. She's "honorary consul" for South Korea.
MADem
(135,425 posts)outset.
Lebanon does have a large number of honorary consuls, in US, Canada, and elsewhere. Given her heritage, that's the leap I made!
aletier_v
(1,773 posts)flamingdem
(39,320 posts)HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Row row row your boat gently down the stream
Belts off trousers down
Isn't Life a scream
blogslut
(38,012 posts)Can you cut it back to four paragraphs so it doesn't violate DU's copyright policy?
flamingdem
(39,320 posts)the rule is paragraphs so it's not really much more, it's the way they write this stuff now
BlueMan Votes
(903 posts)it's called "fellatio".
flamingdem
(39,320 posts)probably right ..
aletier_v
(1,773 posts)To quote Kyle Reese....
"WHO IS IN CHARGE HERE?"
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)Though she has the special license plate, it remained unclear Tuesday how she qualified for it.
Applicants must show proof they are members of the Honorary Consular Corps, which appears from the U.S. Department of State website to consist of representatives from foreign countries. Florida verifies that with the State Department, said Courtney Heidelberg, who is with the Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles.
Florida has issued 107 such license plates.
Mark Toner, deputy spokesman with the State Department, said Kelley "does not work for State, has no affiliation with State."
His office referred all questions about Kelley to the Republic of Korea in an email received after hours.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)KOREA? What the....
flamingdem
(39,320 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)1. Secure from violation or profanation: an inviolable reliquary deep beneath the altar.
2. Impregnable to assault or trespass; invincible: fortifications that made the frontier inviolable.
Being a groupie at the O Club now has that kind of power? INCONCEIVABLE!
flamingdem
(39,320 posts)inviolable or
Synonyms: holy, sacred, sacrosanct
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)They will eat her ass alive. Will Petraus and Allen be their to protect their friend" then?
flamingdem
(39,320 posts)to get into the witness protection program! Maybe they'd set her up in the Caymans!
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)be that close to a general who has top secret clearance for that long a time.
flamingdem
(39,320 posts)A General has got to have some issues. Perhaps he dresses in a tutu in his time off. I only fear we won't get the true story!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)had a relatively close relationship with them. Enough that both of them intervened in her twin sister's custody case. Now it has been reported that a top Democratic Fundraiser lent her over $300,000 and that she knew Sen. John Kerry and Sen. Whitehouse who her twin sister also used in her custody case, referring to her meeting them with her young son.
So, to put it mildly, these two twin sisters appear to have had relationships with top members of both political parties.
So who are they? On the surface she is just an ordinary person, married to a doctor. Not an elected official, not part of any Government entity. Her sister was married for one year to what appears to have been a Military Contractor. They had a child and according to court records, she lost custody of her child despite recommendations from both Gen. Petraeus and Gen. Allen and references to Sen. Kerry and Sen. Whitehouse.
What 'groupie' has this kind of support from such powerful people? And what groupie has the money to become the kind of Hostess to the powerful that she appears to have had. And despite all these connections she appears to be in millions of dollars worth of debt. Yet was able to get a personal loan of hundreds of thousands of dollars from a top Democratic Fundraiser?
I don't think this was just an ordinary groupie. I have no idea who they are, but there is something really strange about all of this and it appears to be bi-partisan.
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)She had a relationship with one Democrat who raised money for John Kerry. All other relationships, and there appear to be thousands, were with Republicans.
whopis01
(3,523 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Just to experience all the fuss over what being a Democrat was all about.
dmr
(28,349 posts)was a name dropper; and was dropping major names to the family court judge.
But I don't know, it all smells. Were these women collecting information (domestic or political intel)? Seeing that Petraus was the CIA Director, was he using Kelly? Was she gathering info on Allen for Petraus or for someone else? Which might explain the 20,000 emails. Are there other women, or other leaders who have been compromised?
Earlier today, I was telling this story to my adult son, and I found myself, without realizing it, saying repeatedly to him, "Remember, they're all Neo-cons. They're not the same as your run of the mill Republican." I don't even know if that statement is true, or why I kept repeating it. I believe Petraus is a Neo-con, though.
I'm babbling. Time for bed.
2naSalit
(86,775 posts)aliens who married Americans and had anchor babies?
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)I was being facetious. These twins are much more than that, how much more is the BIG QUESTION.
DearAbby
(12,461 posts)lutefisk
(3,974 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)You summarized my thoughts on reading this story. Indeed, you taught them to me better than I knew them!
yardwork
(61,701 posts)aletier_v
(1,773 posts)A summer sun that blows my mind
is falling down on all that I've ever known
Time will kiss the world goodbye
Falling down on all that I've ever known
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)HONORARY CONSULS
Like their counterparts the standard consuls and consuls general (often referred to as career consuls), the honorary consul is an official of the sending country. Unlike regular consuls however, the honorary consul is not a government employee of the sending state, and therefore does not change posts based on changes of administration in the sending country.
Honorary consuls are generally dignitaries or persons of position in business and society in the receiving state, while having some connection to the sending state. Honorary consuls are not necessarily citizens of the sending states; rather, they are recognized by the sending states as persons of influence, capable of furthering the objectives of the sending state in the receiving state.
Honorary consuls may represent large and densely populated counties, or, as is often the case, small countries in the developing world which seek to promote business diplomacy. As big business often seeks to establish itself in the developing world, honorary consuls are often chosen for their acumen in such environs.
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Interesting. I had no idea such diplomatic positions exist but apparently they are not uncommon and most countries hire citizens in other countries to be such folks.
flamingdem
(39,320 posts)now what might that be ... there are two equally compromising angles: military business and um social coordinator work
I hope Paula's dad is right and there's a big story underneath. We need to tie up the loose ends and move on to the next Republican meltdown
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)it would make more sense if she had a diplomatic position granted by, ya know, Lebanon.
However, in this drama I realize that is way to rational.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)of e-mails? I don't care if they were discussing baseball, it doesn't seem right for a top general to deal with someone engaged in conducting business on behalf of a foreign state without the authorization of the state department.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Lets say I knew a lot about port business here in NYC and the new pacific island nation called "Republic of NewBeach" couldnt afford to have a person sent here full time. They could name me an honorary consul and I could work to set up business contacts on their behalf, even though I am not a citizen of NewBeach and dont have any other ties to them.
I would still be a US citizen and there is no reason to think I would pass any kind of security information to the Republic of NewBeach.
I'm just learning about this in real time, but have now done a bit of research and think I have a pretty good handle on it.
flamingdem
(39,320 posts)Country idea that is kind of serious and meant for those pushing political interests
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)starting wondering why this woman was allowed to be on a military base, "planning parties".
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)"She did have base access but does not currently because of her involvement in an ongoing investigation," a military official told the Tribune.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)That is not a diplomatic plate, unless Florida is a nation state.
No, I am serious as a heart attack. Diplomatic plates are issued by State and are property of the FEDERAL government.
flamingdem
(39,320 posts)That could land her in trouble, probably used with unsuspecting cops to avoid speeding and parking tickets!
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And cops should know what a diplomatic plate looks like.
I had a momemt of wtf since I see them often at the Federal Building downtown.
flamingdem
(39,320 posts)and they might overlook the fake-o plate! Something tells me she's had experience along those lines.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)But if I am at a scene and somebody pulls that shit...my camera goes on burst.
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)Then you will have even more questions.
flamingdem
(39,320 posts)consular something, but the plates are meaningless apparently if not issued by the state, or .. something.
aletier_v
(1,773 posts)"Secretary of State"
2naSalit
(86,775 posts)Now who in their right mind (I know this is obviously not the case here) would have the vanity plate say "honorary" on it?
I think she's just bling-crazy and tries to use it to try and look hot. Aside from the fact that the other photos in the media show her in pret-ty short skirts for a gal in her 30's. Just sayin'...
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)The plate is not a diplomatic plate.
And her position, that alone should have prevented any access to any us base, or limited it with military police. NoFor used to mean something.
aletier_v
(1,773 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)At this point a runner going out for a run losing their dl a a well known running path is no coincidence. I know.
flamingdem
(39,320 posts)Seems like it was jettisoned by someone but meant to be found.
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)Has anyone seen Paula since Sunday?
pnwest
(3,266 posts)being found in the park?
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)place her whereabouts in DC. ?
aletier_v
(1,773 posts)are you trying to tie this scandal back to the secession threads?
bravo!
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Apparently a James Bond flick connects me to a parallel universe.
It almost feels that way.
flamingdem
(39,320 posts)State in the newly seceded state of Floriduh
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)If they do then I will call a friend in Estonia who works for the government and see if I can get a letter and get one of those. Unfortunately I don't have a Mercedes to put it on.
This tag thing is the craziest bit yet.
flamingdem
(39,320 posts)any country will do.
We can all take lessons from Jill
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)PB
pnwest
(3,266 posts)plates on behalf of State, once the qualification has been verified. But, the article also quotes someone stating adamently, that Kelley has no affiliation with, and does not work for State.
Unless I read that wrong, but that's what I got out if it.
bayareamike
(602 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Florida has taken over a function of the Federal Government.
So how limited is the actual immunity? That cannot be a rolling embassy.
WinniSkipper
(363 posts)Probably a few others
scroll down
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/plates/specialplates.htm
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,869 posts)I heard she's a member of the Royal Family of the Conch Republic.
flamingdem
(39,320 posts)She seems a bit too elite for that but in the end she'll be wasting away in Margaritaville
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Any country can appoint any citizen of any other country to be an honorary consul and they essentially have some diplomatic rights, privileges, etc.
Of course, there is usually a good reason a particular person is selected. They may have good business contacts in an area, etc.
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)I have never seen one in NC.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I think the federal govt has to issue diplomatic tags.
flamingdem
(39,320 posts)So the poor clueless Koreans don't have any idea who they're dealing with -- and she may have thought it was a good thing but it's probably more social coordination and not much pay-off (they're cheap?).
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I'm fascinated by this now. I'm only sad I wouldnt be useful as one to any country because I live in NYC and most countries have a consulate here staffed by permanent folks. Honorary Consuls are generally named who live in cities and regions where those countries have no consular representation.
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)I really don't think most states issue those tags btw. Something to keep in mind, her sister Natalie dated Charlie Crist so maybe he helped arrange the S. Korean relationship and tag.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)it has to be approved by the host country, but these requests are almost always approved. England could open a consulate in Atlanta (assuming they dont already have one there) or Raleigh, or Provo, or Las Vegas. Those states would have to have tags for the consular staff. Its possible that to this point there are no consulates and no honorary consuls in states like Wyoming and because of that Wyoming may not have tags created for this, but it would seem each state would accomodate this when it occurs.
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)I have lived in the Midwest, the Southwest, the West, and the Pacific NW - car cultures all. I have never seen a state issued tag of that type.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)Florida has the best, they look important. But then that state is bat crap crazy.
davepc
(3,936 posts)Banging half the top commanders at CENTCOM might qualify....
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)JBoy
(8,021 posts)flamingdem
(39,320 posts)part of the Korean conspiracy scandal just beginning to break
flamingdem
(39,320 posts)I'm sure the Koreans saw a thing or two about her
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)They need their minds blown too.
flamingdem
(39,320 posts)because I sense a boiling cauldron of Republican evil at the center of it all. We can only hope. It would be a nice extra gift to Obama and clear out some of the cobwebs.
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)PB
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)consul CAN request this kind of assistance and also is entitled to limited forms of diplomatic immunity ONLY IF AND WHEN THEY ARE CONDUCTING CONSULAR BUSINESS ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTRY FOR WHOM THEY ARE WORKING.
An honorary consul cannot sic the police on people for the heck of it, as this person seems to have done.
flamingdem
(39,320 posts)that she be treated in accordance with Korean law!
Throw in a few ninjas for effect.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)if it was North Korea or South Korea.
flamingdem
(39,320 posts)DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)I recall a little problem at the Olympics. Apparently it is easy to get confused.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)speaking
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)She also asked the topless FBI guy to protect her in a cat fight. LOL
Corgigal
(9,291 posts)however I'm sure when Tampa Police dept showed up they laughed their asses off. They probably just asked the press to stay on a sidewalk or something. I'm sure no one was arrested.
bayareamike
(602 posts)Some guy became an honorary consul for Austria just by applying and they "took him up on the offer":
http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/national/BO42595/
Seems like this might just be a kooky thing going on in Florida? Of all places, this would be going on in Florida
Bizarre, bizarre, bizarre.
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)But fuck that shit with France or some country that's going to check with my parole officer.
Namibia. Namibia's not going to check up on me. They would totally make me an Honorary Council. I just fucking got a haircut, too.
PB
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)I already put in a suggestion for more fitting accommodations.
PB
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Betcha you can get one from there, for only a small fee.
BainsBane
(53,056 posts)How send over my crown.
Hutzpa
(11,461 posts)Lint Head
(15,064 posts)Defined as; held or given only as an honour, without the normal "privileges" or "duties". Emphasis on without the normal "privileges".
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Some consuls are not career officials of the represented state at all; some are locally-engaged staff with the nationality of the sending country,and in smaller cities, or in cities that are very distant from full-time diplomatic missions, a foreign government which feels that some form of representation is nevertheless desirable may appoint a person who has not hitherto been part of their diplomatic service to fulfill this role. Such a consul may well combine the job with his or her own (often commercial) private activities, and in some instances may not even be a citizen of the sending country. Such consular appointments are usually given the title of honorary consul. Graham Greene used this position as the title of his 1973 novel The Honorary Consul.
Notwithstanding their other roles, Honorary Consular Officers (in the widest use of the term) also have responsibility for the welfare of citizens of the appointing country within their bailiwick. Thus, particularly within a port town, an Honorary Consul may be called out (at any time, day or night) to attend to the well-being of a citizen of the appointing country who has been arrested. Their role in this situation is to ensure that the arrested persons are treated in a like manner as would be the citizen of the country in which this person was arrested, and understand their rights & obligations.
intaglio
(8,170 posts)Honorary Consuls are not entitled to "Diplomatic Protection" even in the foreign country where they are working because they do not have accreditation. Sure, the country for which they are working could raise hell with a host country that harassed them but they would not provide protection. No Consul, accredited or not, has any right to diplomatic protection in the country for which they are acting.
MADem
(135,425 posts)They are usually wealthy people who are well connected. Really--do the google, you will be surprised.
I don't know if the "honorary" title entitles them to diplomatic immunity or protection, though, any more than being an honorary fireman entitles someone to a fireman's outfit, a paycheck and a pension...!
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)PB
MADem
(135,425 posts)It extends the reach of the embassy for very little outlay, and it provides customer service to citizens of these foreign nations.
And, who knows, there may be a Pollard or two in those ranks as well...but if there are, they're hiding in very plain sight.
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)PB
MADem
(135,425 posts)DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,373 posts)But, if this is indeed true, here is some information about "honorary consuls."
http://consularchamber.blogspot.ch/2009/05/what-is-honorary-consul.html
Here is more information about this, and specifically about Kelley:
The position of honorary consul is symbolic and has no official responsibilities, the official said.
"She does not work as a real consul. They play a role to improve the relationship between the ROK and the U.S.," the official said. "Jill Kelley helped to get support for [the Korea-U.S. Free Trade Agreement] and she arranged meetings between the ROK Ambassador to Washington and local businessmen when the ROK Ambassador visited the Tampa area."
There's no implication that the South Korean government has anything to do with the growing scandal that involves Kelly, Allen, Petraeus, and Paula Broadwell, Petraeus's biographer and alleged mistress. But her work on behalf of the South Koreans may explain some of the 20,000 to 30,000 pages of e-mails between her and Allen that the Defense Department's Inspector General's office is investigating now.
...
In fact, "honorary" diplomats have no specific privileges or protections under the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations and therefore her property is not actually ''inviolable" as a matter of international law.
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/11/13/jill_kelley_is_an_honorary_consul_of_south_korea
2naSalit
(86,775 posts)the poor thing, to be exposed this way in public! She's not entitled after all... how sad.
Azathoth
(4,611 posts)No diplomatic immunity, no inviolability of residence or office, no get-out-of-jail-free card when reporters come a-knocking.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)A consul rushing to the police station to meet with a person who has been arrested as part of their consular duties cannot be cited for speeding or reckless driving and their car should not be towed for doubleparking.
It definitely does NOT include sic'ing the police on reporters camped out on her lawn.
Segami
(14,923 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)spanone
(135,866 posts)Chiyo-chichi
(3,586 posts)Toby Unwin was an unlikely choice as Austrias newest honorary consul. He has never been to Austria, has no Austrian heritage, and doesnt speak German, the countrys official language. But he is a successful businessman with a clean background, and he did ask nicely. The 33-year-old, originally from England, once read that people could become amateur diplomats by writing foreign officials and inquiring. After he made several attempts, Austria took him up on his offer.
The job doesnt pay, but Unwin does get the authority to issue emergency visas, the title of honorary consul, Republic of Austria, and a license plate that can get him out of tickets. To start the office in late October, Unwin received a map of Austria, stamps for official documents, a CD and sheet music of the national and European anthems, and three flags. He has been studying German and plans to visit Austria this summer.
Unwin has already helped one Austrian arrested for allegedly keeping a rental car too long.
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)I can not stop laughing about this whole mess.
I have learned a lot in the past few hours.
bullwinkle428
(20,630 posts)considered somewhat acceptable evidence!
RogerM
(150 posts)then again this is in FL
Kaleva
(36,340 posts)Just had to send $1,000.00 to speed up the processing of paperwork and I would soon get my diplomatic license plates and I.D. in the mail.
J/K!
flamingdem
(39,320 posts)inviolability!
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)If she wasn't married I would have been wondering if she wasn't a high paid escort or something, its all just so weird. I am at a loss as to how a doctor's wife, without a job gets access to so many people in such powerful positions.
lalalu
(1,663 posts)doing spying on the side.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)rocktivity
(44,577 posts)It remains unclear how she, her sister, and Broadwell qualified for a LOT of things.
rocktivity
Whisp
(24,096 posts)ha
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)if they don't head for distant hills first.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Throws a whole new light on the type of person that would call the FBI over e-mails she didn't like, and calling 9-1-1 over her attempt to hide behind falsely presumed diplomatic immunity.
Entitled much?
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)I was in Genoa several years ago, US Counsel came to meet us. She said for us not to hesitate to call if there was anything she could do for us, so I asked her for a diplomatic tag (since parking was a nightmare, and we didn't want to get towed) and a "get out of jail free card". She laughed, I told her we knew the Ambassador, and she was like "yea, sure you do". So she went back to her office, called the Ambassador, he confirmed he knew us, and she came back to us with some kind of Special Counsel certificates ( which meant if we were arrested by police they had to take us to consulate instead of jail), and a tag to hang from mirror so we wouldn't get ticketed or towed.
The tag was a big help. The "get out of jail free card" of course we didn't need, but it was great fun showing it off to friends.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)flamingdem
(39,320 posts)swept under the carpet, noooo! What about the North Korean connection, we'll have to contact the FBI, this is too important to national security, uh I think.