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(1,177 posts)
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 12:25 AM Aug 2023

The Violence Was Part Of The Plan, And The Plan Was To Overthrow The Republic

"Let's keep our eye on the ball."

The Violence Was Part Of The Plan, And The Plan Was To Overthrow The Republic - Wonkette

The indictment of the traitor and coward Donald J. Trump ends thus, on count four, Conspiracy Against Rights, namely the very right to vote:

“DONALD J. TRUMP did knowingly combine, conspire, confederate, and agree with co-conspirators, known and unknown to the Grand Jury, to injure, oppress, threaten, and intimidate one or more persons in the free exercise and enjoyment of a right and privilege secured to them by the Constitution and laws of the United States — that is, the right to vote, and to have one’s vote counted.”

... it’s perhaps amusing, and certainly intentional, that Smith chose to use the word “confederate.” As the New York Times notes, the law in question was intended to go after Klan members and other white southerners who tried to intimidate and terrorize now-free Black people away from voting. Interesting how history rhymes.

And also interesting, and horrifying, just how integral violence was to Trump’s conspiracies to steal the election and overturn the very Republic in order to seize power.

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The Violence Was Part Of The Plan, And The Plan Was To Overthrow The Republic (Original Post) B.See Aug 2023 OP
And, the Domestic Terrorists FAILED. Cha Aug 2023 #1
Reminds of CJCOS Mark Milley who exceeded his official responsibilities Hortensis Aug 2023 #2
imho the most damaging detail is mopinko Aug 2023 #3
Kick. Exactly. We are right now engaged in the work of ensuring that Scrivener7 Aug 2023 #4
Fascists rule by unchecked military power. usonian Aug 2023 #5
Violence has become their language dalton99a Aug 2023 #6
Has it ever been determined who brought and assembled the gallows? tanyev Aug 2023 #7
K&R Blue Owl Aug 2023 #8
And LET'S NOT FORGET THIS: B.See Aug 2023 #9
Their Plan Was to Literally Kill People B.See Aug 2023 #10


(296,893 posts)
1. And, the Domestic Terrorists FAILED.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 02:55 AM
Aug 2023


Sadly not without Deadly Force and one of their own Righteously getting shot and killed for Not heeding a warning by one of the Capitol Police.

Excellent use of "Confederate".. TY Jack Smith

TY and Wonkette


(58,785 posts)
2. Reminds of CJCOS Mark Milley who exceeded his official responsibilities
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 03:14 AM
Aug 2023

to warn all branches to watch for insurrection in their ranks and much more, including freezing all records for future investigation, calls to allies and adversaries that the government and military were stable. Which they turned out to be, in spite of the attempted coup d'etat by the sitting president.

But loyal top brass had plenty to worry about.

"Days after the election, Trump set off alarm bells by firing a number of top Pentagon officials, starting with Defense Secretary Mark Esper, and installing loyalists on a temporary basis in the most critical national security jobs. In quick succession on Nov. 10, a day after Esper’s firing, top officials overseeing policy, intelligence and the defense secretary’s staff all resigned, replaced by political operatives who had trafficked in “deep state” conspiracy theories." ...

On Jan. 3, the national security team assembled to brief the president about Iran increasing the number of centrifuges it can use to enrich uranium. At the very end of the meeting, Milley remembers, Trump turned to acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller and asked him if he was “set” for Jan. 6. “You’re set for the 6th and all that and you got a plan and, you know, protect my people and all that. Right?” Milley said. “And I’m silent. I’m just listening and I’m like, hmm.” This struck Milley as “odd,” he said, because it was so out of place at the meeting. ...

Deputy Defense Secretary David Norquist predicted that the greatest threat that day would be “a direct assault on the Capitol,” Milley said. “I only remember it in hindsight because he was almost like clairvoyant,” Milley said. “He nailed it. He pegged that one. Incredible.” By contrast, then-national security adviser Robert O’Brien said the greatest threat would come from “Antifa and Black Lives Matter assaulting the protesters,” which struck Milley as interesting.

Interesting. Fraught times. So much to be grateful for.


(70,027 posts)
3. imho the most damaging detail is
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 06:26 AM
Aug 2023

that he wasnt just watching and dancing, he was working the phones til they reconvened. rudy colludy was, no doubt completely drunk, calling in to the undisclosed location, twisting arms to stick w the plan.


(50,924 posts)
4. Kick. Exactly. We are right now engaged in the work of ensuring that
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 07:31 AM
Aug 2023

"government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

Because that mound of rot tried to take that away from us.

This is THAT fundamental.


(9,709 posts)
5. Fascists rule by unchecked military power.
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 09:36 AM
Aug 2023

Because violence and intimidation are their game. As long as we have civilian and military officials who uphold the laws and constitution, they can't prevail.

Despite deliberate sabotage, USCP saved democracy.


(42,528 posts)
7. Has it ever been determined who brought and assembled the gallows?
Fri Aug 4, 2023, 10:00 AM
Aug 2023

Because something struck me as weird reading that. Trump keeps saying that Pence is going to go along with the plan (even though he's not), but it's not until January 5th that Trump tells Pence that he's going to have to publicly criticize him. It's not until Pence actually does "betray" Trump that the crowd is told of Pence's betrayal.

And yet, somebody in that crowd was already prepared with lumber, tools and rope. Or even a partially pre-assembled gallows stand. Who was that and who told him to be ready?

Meanwhile, behind the scenes he’s pressuring Mike Pence to do something Mike Pence clearly had no authority to do, something Eastman conceded he didn’t want the Supreme Court weighing in on, because of how he knew they would have laughed it out of their courtroom.

Pence’s chief of staff started to get worried for Pence’s safety on January 5, when Trump told Pence that he was going to have to “publicly criticize him.”

Trump told his advisers on January 5 that the crowd the next day would be “angry.”

And Trump kept lying and tweeting and saying Mike Pence could change the outcome of the election, and he kept ginning them up and kept ginning them up.


(1,177 posts)
Sat Aug 5, 2023, 11:32 PM
Aug 2023

Mike Pence clearly, and for GOOD reason, feared for his VERY LIFE:

Mike Pence refused to get in car amid 6 January riots fearing Secret Service ‘conspiracy’, reports claim

Former Vice President Mike Pence purportedly refused to get into a vehicle with secret service agents amid the 6 January riots out of fear there was a “conspiracy” to “vindicate the insurrection”.

As the chaos continued to unfold, Mr Pence was said to have been ordered to leave the office and was escorted to a “subterranean area that rioters couldn’t reach” and towards an armoured limousine.

Mr Pence then reportedly outright refused to get into the vehicle, saying his security detail would ignore his demand not to leave the building and would instead “take off” against his wishes.

“I’m not getting in the car, Tim,” Mr Pence replied. “I trust you, Tim, but you’re not driving the car. If I get in that vehicle, you guys are taking off. I’m not getting in the car.”

According to RawStory, MSNBC host Nicolle Wallace said that sources with knowledge of the day said Mr Pence “feared a conspiracy, feared that the Secret Service would aid Trump and his ultimate aims that day”.

She added: “This is the most harrowing version of Mike Pence’s day I’ve seen reported.”

During the insurrection, Mr Pence was made a target of rioters’ fury following inflammatory statements by Donald Trump, with many heard shouting “Where’s Mike Pence?” and “Hang Mike Pence”.

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