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Indictment number 5 incoming? (Original Post) Marius25 Aug 2023 OP
I wonder if Mark Meadows tried bribery in Arizona as well Walleye Aug 2023 #1
Trump is the next best thing since Ronald Reagan. Should be named Donald Radon--dude be radioactive☢ TheBlackAdder Aug 2023 #71
And Beachnutt Aug 2023 #2
Every other states' AGs should be beginning their own investigations. ffr Aug 2023 #19
ALL the states? ShazzieB Aug 2023 #49
They also probably wouldn't go to states whose electoral votes are split. soldierant Aug 2023 #69
I pray! Albuquerque Liberal here!! ALBliberal Aug 2023 #52
this is like those flies you just have to swat over and over again GenXer47 Aug 2023 #3
+1 2naSalit Aug 2023 #5
Too bad you can't squish them between the flyswatter and the countertop. n/t royable Aug 2023 #8
Ick! Too messy... 2naSalit Aug 2023 #10
the visual of fly paper is better isitreal Aug 2023 #44
Agreed whole heartedly! BunnyMcGee Aug 2023 #50
Electric swatters are more fun. n/t rzemanfl Aug 2023 #73
lmao allegorical oracle Aug 2023 #22
"When the party's gettin' a glow on and Disaffected Aug 2023 #4
I hear with indictment 5 you get a set of steak knives maxrandb Aug 2023 #6
😄 CentralMass Aug 2023 #21
hahaha vlyons Aug 2023 #30
Like! sheshe2 Aug 2023 #53
NO, 5 is FREE SHAVED HEAD on mine! Brainfodder Aug 2023 #56
And a big bottle of KETCHUP too! Captain Zero Aug 2023 #59
Nope! NO ketchup for you! dchill Aug 2023 #60
Yeah - but if you read the fine print whopis01 Aug 2023 #67
and with six you get eggroll! n/t ekelly Aug 2023 #68
And a magnifying glass in case those are Trump Steaks. GreenWave Aug 2023 #79
Oooooh! Jilly_in_VA Aug 2023 #80
American jurisprudence at its finest. Once there are 100's of felony charges and NONSTOP trials NoMoreRepugs Aug 2023 #7
Shock and Awe baby! That's the way to do it, carpet bomb the terrain with Law! Alexander Of Assyria Aug 2023 #18
Irony is that "flooding the zone with shit" was/is Steve Bannon's advice to tfg. nt allegorical oracle Aug 2023 #24
When theThing twitters...no one will know what of many damn crimes he's talking about! Or care! Alexander Of Assyria Aug 2023 #26
Well, you know, other Presidents have been in trouble too. COL Mustard Aug 2023 #35
But Hunter Biden maxrandb Aug 2023 #65
Forwarded from John Podesta, correct? jmowreader Aug 2023 #77
When you've been running a vast conspiracy... dlk Aug 2023 #9
+1 2naSalit Aug 2023 #11
Why does the governor have to OK an indictment? nt wiggs Aug 2023 #12
My very first reaction too. Seems odd at the least, ripe for abuse at the worst. yonder Aug 2023 #29
They don't former9thward Aug 2023 #40
Maybe it's another lie started by Kari Lake to rouse the rabble in AZ Attilatheblond Aug 2023 #64
kudos. nt wiggs Aug 2023 #66
No backup news story or any other feeds confirming Fox Noise Bucket ffr Aug 2023 #13
Does the superseding indictment count as a separate one? gratuitous Aug 2023 #14
He has the look of a man who realizes he may be spending the rest of his miserable life in prison. Fla Dem Aug 2023 #15
Indictments 6, 7 & 8... AdamGG Aug 2023 #16
He will be committing crimes as long as he is able. Irish_Dem Aug 2023 #25
Governor approving charges? Johnny2X2X Aug 2023 #17
Its not. former9thward Aug 2023 #41
I don't see the accompanying news story. Tommy Carcetti Aug 2023 #20
As of yesterday the AZ Republic was reporting "no comment" from the SoS AZSkiffyGeek Aug 2023 #23
Mother of Mercy. Is this the end of Rico? vlyons Aug 2023 #27
Here is the story. Local Fox Affiliate. Tommy Carcetti Aug 2023 #28
There's a big difference between Hobbs "has approved" Diraven Aug 2023 #70
Michigan did not include Trump in the fake electors indictments so it's possible that Arizona does Lonestarblue Aug 2023 #31
All I can find is that Arizona AG is investigating the Defendant. Kaleva Aug 2023 #32
He's gonna break 100 felony charges easy 0rganism Aug 2023 #33
TFG does it BIGLY BunnyMcGee Aug 2023 #51
No ex-prez has ever had this GREAT a number!! Captain Zero Aug 2023 #61
thanks to TFG, the per-president felony charge average is now 2 0rganism Aug 2023 #63
He will never have another good day. Botany Aug 2023 #34
Aaron Ford AG, there are 6 criminals walking free in Nevada. chicoescuela Aug 2023 #36
Can we include Andy Biggs in the AZ indictment? maspaha Aug 2023 #37
So who's counting? usonian Aug 2023 #38
Bury the sons of bitches. All of them. n/t Evolve Dammit Aug 2023 #39
I like it when my patience is rewarded ms liberty Aug 2023 #42
Oh, how I do like this posting. republianmushroom Aug 2023 #43
Kicking a bully when he's down is a proven method to keep him from getting up again! Ford_Prefect Aug 2023 #45
What stage is the matter at? Sanity Claws Aug 2023 #46
"I'm sorry sir; we're booked solid. We might be able to get you an indictment in February." brooklynite Aug 2023 #47
I'm not reccing this until there's confirmation Wednesdays Aug 2023 #48
Counterpoint: brooklynite Aug 2023 #54
I can go with this stopdiggin Aug 2023 #75
Ken Paxton AG Tx who is under indictment and Impeached as we speak is now flying_wahini Aug 2023 #55
Kick. N/T Upthevibe Aug 2023 #57
With six you get eggroll! Mr. Ected Aug 2023 #58
When will Wisconsin follow suit so we can give pink slips to the horrible Sen. Johnson, AllyCat Aug 2023 #62
Bingo? onecaliberal Aug 2023 #72
That fills one tiny hand. Now on to the next one. twodogsbarking Aug 2023 #74
I don't think it's up to Katie Hobbs to "sign off". RandySF Aug 2023 #76
That won't be the last one jmowreader Aug 2023 #78
when? nt orleans Aug 2023 #81

TheBlackAdder

(28,297 posts)
71. Trump is the next best thing since Ronald Reagan. Should be named Donald Radon--dude be radioactive☢
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 10:51 PM
Aug 2023

ffr

(22,689 posts)
19. Every other states' AGs should be beginning their own investigations.
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 05:19 PM
Aug 2023

Election integrity is the bedrock of our democracy.

ShazzieB

(16,759 posts)
49. ALL the states?
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 06:45 PM
Aug 2023

How about all the battleground states? Those are the ones Trump and his henchpersons would be motivated to mess with.

I don't think those clowns would bother with states that are reliably either deep red or deep blue. They'd go after the ones where a relatively small shift in the numbers could impact who gets the state's electoral votes.

 

GenXer47

(1,204 posts)
3. this is like those flies you just have to swat over and over again
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 04:54 PM
Aug 2023

Too bad we can't just pin him between the closed window and the screen.

2naSalit

(87,201 posts)
10. Ick! Too messy...
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 05:10 PM
Aug 2023

If you trap them in the window they just dry up and you can vacuum them up later.

isitreal

(27 posts)
44. the visual of fly paper is better
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 06:23 PM
Aug 2023

Watching them squirm on the fly paper is better. Once they expire ya just throw the fly paper away. No mess no fuss.
I think it is an appropriate give back for all the squirming they have caused the nation.

whopis01

(3,536 posts)
67. Yeah - but if you read the fine print
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 09:56 PM
Aug 2023

all those knives are given to your co-conspirators so they can stab you in the back in order to get a lighter sentence.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,563 posts)
7. American jurisprudence at its finest. Once there are 100's of felony charges and NONSTOP trials
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 05:07 PM
Aug 2023

going on at the same time across the country the MSM may, I stress may, be forced to abandon some of the bothsiderism that has plaqued us for what seems like decades.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
18. Shock and Awe baby! That's the way to do it, carpet bomb the terrain with Law!
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 05:19 PM
Aug 2023

It’s was a coup attempt…Say the magic words corporate media…It’s Over for the coup plotters, all of them!

You can do it! Income won’t be hurt so much as your bean counters predict.

COL Mustard

(6,037 posts)
35. Well, you know, other Presidents have been in trouble too.
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 05:47 PM
Aug 2023

Like Ceaucescu, and that French guy, and some guy in Central America. So yeah, bothsiderism is still in play!

dlk

(11,652 posts)
9. When you've been running a vast conspiracy...
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 05:08 PM
Aug 2023

Trump will be in litigation for the remainder of his miserable life.

Attilatheblond

(2,326 posts)
64. Maybe it's another lie started by Kari Lake to rouse the rabble in AZ
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 08:49 PM
Aug 2023

The magas here have been a little quiet of late. Mostly working on taking over operations of elections at county levels. We be fighting that bigly in my 'hood.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
14. Does the superseding indictment count as a separate one?
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 05:17 PM
Aug 2023

In which case, this would be indictment number six.

AdamGG

(1,302 posts)
16. Indictments 6, 7 & 8...
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 05:19 PM
Aug 2023

Will likely be things that he does over the next year trying to disrupt the present charges.

Tommy Carcetti

(43,241 posts)
20. I don't see the accompanying news story.
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 05:19 PM
Aug 2023

All I see is a random Twitter account.

Would like to have an actual source to confirm. You'd think if Fox was saying this, someone would link to Fox.

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,236 posts)
23. As of yesterday the AZ Republic was reporting "no comment" from the SoS
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 05:23 PM
Aug 2023

I don't see anything to the effect of what that $8 check said in the local news.
EDIT: Here's something from yesterday that says she "thinks" we should pursue it...
https://ktar.com/story/5528616/gov-hobbs-says-arizona-should-press-charges-against-donald-trump-over-2020-election/

Tommy Carcetti

(43,241 posts)
28. Here is the story. Local Fox Affiliate.
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 05:35 PM
Aug 2023

Doesn't look like anything imminent to me at this point, and it's pretty speculative regarding Trump himself.



https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/will-arizona-be-the-next-state-to-indict-former-president-donald-trump

Will Arizona be the next state to indict former president Donald Trump?
By Nicole GarciaPublished August 15, 2023 5:19PM



PHOENIX - Arizona could be the next state to indict former president Donald Trump on charges in connection to trying to overturn the 2020 election results.

****

Arizona’s Attorney General is currently investigating, and Governor Katie Hobbs says she hopes to see Arizona’s fake electors face criminal charges.

"Absolutely. I have been an advocate for holding folks involved in trying to overturn the will of the voters in the 2020 election accountable, and this is part of that," Hobbs said.

Arizona is mentioned several times in Georgia’s indictment as Trump and his allies reportedly contacted lawmakers to get them to overturn election results in his favor.

Fake electors in Georgia and Michigan are now facing several felony counts, including making false statements, conspiracy, and corruption charges[
/div]

Diraven

(570 posts)
70. There's a big difference between Hobbs "has approved"
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 10:40 PM
Aug 2023

and the actual story that just says she "hopes". The original headline makes the story sound fake.

Lonestarblue

(10,283 posts)
31. Michigan did not include Trump in the fake electors indictments so it's possible that Arizona does
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 05:42 PM
Aug 2023

not either. But wasn’t Arizona the state where Ginni Thomas called a Republican and urged him to overturn the election? Now that’s someone I’d like to see investigated for aiding the creation of slates of fake electors.

Kaleva

(36,478 posts)
32. All I can find is that Arizona AG is investigating the Defendant.
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 05:42 PM
Aug 2023

"The attorney general’s office has confirmed that an investigation into Trump, his allies and Arizona’s fake electors is underway, but gave no indication on when charges would be announced.

In a statement, a spokesperson for Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes said, "The attorney general’s office cannot comment on an ongoing investigation. We do not have any updates to share or comments to make on the Georgia case at this time.""

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/will-arizona-be-the-next-state-to-indict-former-president-donald-trump

0rganism

(24,028 posts)
33. He's gonna break 100 felony charges easy
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 05:42 PM
Aug 2023

At first I wasn't sure he'd get there but now it's looking really promising.

I think he might go for the record. When it comes to crime, he's like an Olympic champion.

Captain Zero

(6,915 posts)
61. No ex-prez has ever had this GREAT a number!!
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 07:33 PM
Aug 2023

He's the greatest. No one else will ever have this many!!

0rganism

(24,028 posts)
63. thanks to TFG, the per-president felony charge average is now 2
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 07:44 PM
Aug 2023

Not sure this is a useful stat to look at, but at least the median remains 0, so we're good there for a while anyway.

TFG just has that insatiable appetite for criming. If he were any good at it we'd be in much deeper shit than we already are.





Botany

(70,727 posts)
34. He will never have another good day.
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 05:45 PM
Aug 2023

Peter Marks
@petermarksdrama
·
Nov 6, 2020
I imagine it as a chilling final turn of the plot. His world is coming to an end. He will never have another good day. Loser label will haunt him. The law will pursue him. Mental illness will hobble him. His properties will bankrupt him.

maspaha

(234 posts)
37. Can we include Andy Biggs in the AZ indictment?
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 05:50 PM
Aug 2023

And Jake Hoffman?
Kelly Ward?
Warren Peterson and everyone else in the AZ legislature that approved the ridiculous “Cyber Ninja” audit?

Please Kris & Katie? Pretty please?

Ford_Prefect

(7,961 posts)
45. Kicking a bully when he's down is a proven method to keep him from getting up again!
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 06:33 PM
Aug 2023

Steel toe boots are optional.

Sanity Claws

(21,873 posts)
46. What stage is the matter at?
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 06:36 PM
Aug 2023

Have they finished investigation and the Gov gave the go-ahead to start the grand jury part?
Or did she just authorize the investigation?

brooklynite

(95,254 posts)
54. Counterpoint:
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 07:08 PM
Aug 2023
Kris Mayes should take a pass on prosecuting Trump (There are plenty of local fish to fry) -- Arizona Republic

The Georgia indictment could be the most damaging of all because Trump cannot win in 2024 without the Peach State.

Just as he likely can’t win without the Grand Canyon State.

Which is exactly why Mayes, a Democrat, should not spend her time going after Trump.

Enough is enough. To pile on at this point is to simply give Trump more ammunition to decry the unfairness of it all.


Mayes should instead concentrate on the Arizonans who were scheming to steal our vote:

The 11 “patriots” who falsely claimed to be duly elected by the state’s voters to cast Arizona's electoral votes for Trump. Among them were Arizona Republican Party Chairwoman Kelli Ward; once-and-future state lawmaker Anthony Kern; Jake Hoffman, a digital marketing operator and now state senator; and Tyler Bowyer, a top executive with Turning Point USA who also sits on the Republican National Committee.

The Arizona Republican Party attorney who helped Team Trump flesh out the fake elector plan.



stopdiggin

(11,478 posts)
75. I can go with this
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 12:07 PM
Aug 2023

besides plain numbers, I 'm not sure if there is much of either strategic or legal value in copycat indictments. And too - both clear cut as well as prospective and theoretical downside that should be part of calculations. But every state that had any whisper of a 'false elector' scheme going on - should have investigation(s) going on high heat. The integrity of the voting process is among the bedrock of democratic values - and every state has a vested interest.

I would also not be real opposed to seeing any state that refused to take measures and 'protect the process' feel some concerted 'pressure' on that issue from the federal government. It is after all a civil rights issue. (As well as a national one. Let the red state legislatures defend a clear cut case of 'vote stealing' and political corruption if they choose to .. )

flying_wahini

(6,773 posts)
55. Ken Paxton AG Tx who is under indictment and Impeached as we speak is now
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 07:09 PM
Aug 2023

Changing rules in Texas to do this very thing.
They are all crooks. Prove me wrong, I’ll wait.

AllyCat

(16,304 posts)
62. When will Wisconsin follow suit so we can give pink slips to the horrible Sen. Johnson,
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 07:41 PM
Aug 2023

Reps Fitzgerald, Tiffany, and Van Orden, and Speaker Vos?

Criminals all.

jmowreader

(50,630 posts)
78. That won't be the last one
Thu Aug 17, 2023, 01:59 PM
Aug 2023

I hope, as should all of you, that every state that had a slate of fake electors brings Trump up on charges. Since this is an interstate criminal conspiracy Jack Smith will need to issue a superseding indictment under the separate sovereigns doctrine to tie all those together at the federal level…and Tanya Chutkan will throw the book at him with the greatest of pleasure.

In the movie “X-Men: The Last Stand,” the government built a special prison inside a semi trailer to house several of the most dangerous mutants and kept it in motion to stop the supermutant Magneto from breaking them out. They’ll have to do something similar for Trump…not because he’s such a dangerous man but because every state deserves to have him in their own prisons for at least a little while.

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