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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDonny Deutsch to S.E. Cupp on Morning Joe - "Will you (or perhaps...do you ever) stop talking"
During the Morning Politico update the topic of Romney's conference call and the "gifts" comment came up.
The fact that a number of national Republican leaders spoke out against the statement led to the discussion of how the Republican party needs to realize it needs to change.
Cupp of course says that there is nothing wrong with the party.
Deutsch takes advantage of Cupp taking a breath and gets into the conversation telling Cupp that the Republicans need to realize that their "brand" is out of touch with today's population.
Cupp cuts off Donny stating that there's nothing wrong with the brand but that Republicans just need to better portray their policies.
At that point and totally exasperated Deutsch looks at Cupp and says "will you stop talking?" or "do you ever stop talking?" and proceeds to educate Cupp that a political party's policies do indeed make up the party's "brand". Barnicle then jumps in to say that what he'd like someone to explain is that if the Republican policies are in tune with the public how did both Romney and Ryan got blown out vote-wise in their hometowns.
It was a wonderful thing to see early on a Thursday morning. Best on-air moment on that show since Mika called Willie an "ass" during the 2008 campaign.
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,370 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)arthritisR_US
(7,288 posts)driver8
(12,710 posts)Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)just to be clear.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)poster was "not", ya right, going.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Iggo
(47,558 posts)You don't have to be omniscient to know exactly what the poster meant.
That's one of the oldest jokes in the book.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)photoshopped Cupp being shut up in that manner.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Pab Sungenis
(9,612 posts)Yet you also attributed his criticism of her only being hired as a political commentator because she was sexy as misogynistic, too.
As others and I have demonstrated many times that criticism is true and valid. Her being a woman is immaterial.
And, yes, I've made similar criticisms about men in the past.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)that is misogyny.
that simple.
i do not give a fuck about the women, or being stupid, or anything else. but i do give a fuck about misogyny allowed on du and will call it out on the board or real life every fuckin time.
i do not listen to the woman. i do not listen to any of the republican mouths of either gender, that are no different from each other.
we choose to diss the women with misogyny. that is the wrong.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)and watching her melt
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)"I'm not going there"
Yeah, you meant a bucket of water. Ok then. 'Nice save'.
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)believe but there are people here w/o a sense of humor and i didnt want people to think i would enjoy watching ms cupp melt and therefore die so i wasnt going there. instead it turned into a jam a dick in her mouth thread. jamming a dick in her mouth to me is rape so that wasnt what i meant but you know better than i what my inentions were so i guess im wrong about what i meant. you win
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)and im done with this ridiculous thread
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)A joke not aimed at all women.... only one...a single person who does not represent the entire female sex.
Just to be clear...
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)marew
(1,588 posts)Cupp pontificates as if she has a clue! I'm a woman and, believe me, with her level of thought and discourse, Cupp is not doing women any favors!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)do you know what the reference is about? as a woman, if you know what the reference is that is being made to shut her the fuck up, whether we agree with her or not, should be off putting for you, also.
marew
(1,588 posts)I do not want to listen to such nonsense from ANYONE!!!!! She does NOT get a pass for being a woman! She adds NOTHING of consequence to the discussion but the same old GOTP crap and she repeatedly attempts to monopolize conversations. She has no idea how stupid she comes across. Newsflash! Women can be stupid too!
You very obviously have not heard her very much. She is OBNOXIOUS!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)look at all the insults you made, all the points you made, and not once did you need to resort to misogyny to make your point.
job well done.
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)If you had posted what I now think they're insinuating, I would have never +1'd it.
Why they interpreted it in a misogynistic way is hard to say.
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)btw, if you dont mind, what did u +1 it for
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)they lost the election and decisively? The same sort of fact-free faith-based mindset is at work both here and there: "It's true because I say so."
Skittles
(153,169 posts)they are the party of THE RICH
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Pab Sungenis
(9,612 posts)so by implication you say that she does.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Pab Sungenis
(9,612 posts)You said that was misogyny and that I had no right to criticize her.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)who wasn't offended by his joke?
I am a 66yr old feminist who's seen the worst and I think your outrage could be reserved for the bad crap I've seen posted on DU. This joke slung at Cupp isn't enough to get my knickers in a bunch. But perhaps my total dislike and disgust at young Cupp is coloring my opinion here.
Pab Sungenis
(9,612 posts)FOOLISH MORTALS!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)the homophobia.
or am i wrong?
Pab Sungenis
(9,612 posts)when you declared S.E. Cupp's policies, positions, and (worst of all) lack of qualifications for her jobs off-limits solely because Larry Flynt made an offensive graphic about her.
Whether you like it or not, you own her now.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)But it's like arguing with the Georgia Repukes who think that Obama is setting the stage for dictatorship via UN mind control. Things are true in certain fact-free zones just because people "believe" them to be true.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)own their policies? really?
so, someone makes a homophobic comment about log cabin, and you wont say a fuckin word?
what a superbly ridiculous post.
Pab Sungenis
(9,612 posts)anyone talking about S.E. Cupp when you ruled her policies, positions, and lack of experience off limits because Larry Flynt (an offensive waste of skin) made fun of her the way he's made fun of hundreds of other people (of both sexes).
When people like I criticized her lack of experience and that she was unqualified for her job, you branded all of us as misogynists. Whether that was out of confusion, knee-jerk reaction, your own deep-seated misandry, or any other factor is immaterial: you said any criticism of her was misogynist because one man did a misogynist graphic.
Sorry, but if you're going to be the Boy Who Cried Sexism, then you lose your right to point out what you consider misogyny.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)so you can make that correction.
and what a silly argument to say, that because i call out a misogynist comment, i lose all authority to criticize a misogynist comment.
man... that was a tough one to follow.
Pab Sungenis
(9,612 posts)During the big S.E. Cupp debate you branded me and every other man in the thread (and practically on DU) as a misogynist because we dared criticize her as unqualified for her job as misogynist.
When I correctly pointed out that the only experience she had in journalism or media was essentially as a file clerk at the New York Times, which did not qualify her as a broadcaster, I was branded a misogynist.
So by that logic we cannot rely on you as the arbiter of misogyny. You see misogyny when it isn't there. You did several times in that big thread, so how can we rely on you as the arbiter of it in here?
Especially since you seem to be relying on mind reading to know that what the poster didn't say here was obviously misogynist.
As I said elsewhere, you declared her off-limits, so you own her now.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)your interpretation is incorrect. there is not a chance in hell i am going all the way back to when to try and clarify with you and correct you and reason with you, when you cannot even stand up to the misogynist post right in front of you, right here and right now.
Pab Sungenis
(9,612 posts)in general.
There was no text in the message. It is only the perverted minds of certain users filling in the blank that makes it offensive in their own minds.
"When correctly viewed, everything is lewd." - Tom Lehrer.
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)to don quixote every windmill was a problem
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Unless there is some history from a different thread about Cupp, than this specific thread fork that started out with a very distasteful 'joke'.
Pab Sungenis
(9,612 posts)dating back to when MSNBC gave Feminist Martyr S.E. Cupp her current megaphone and Larry Flynt reminded everyone what an asshole he is.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)But if someone call Cupp a "Stupid Fucking (insert term for female genitalia)" you would set a new record for the number of times you cried misogyny in your posts. Hell the thread would be full of nothing but cries of "misogyny" from various and sundry.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)you. it does.
if using men genitalia bothers you, then make it an issue and speak out against it.
i have listened to men who tell me it bothers them, i personally do not use it, and i will stand by your gender and vote to hide.
no, it is not my battle. i am busy with my own. let it be your battle since it obviously bother you so.
or
do you only use this argument to derail and dismiss misogyny?
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)pitch a shitfit of epic proportions for a week. In fact, it has been done recently. This is so goddamn tiresome.
Pab Sungenis
(9,612 posts)Okay, I didn't. I left off the "stupid" and "fucking."
Ad the cries of misogyny rang from tree to tree. Apparently, saying that a particular woman is not qualified for a particular job is misogyny to some people.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)I'm gay... and I probably wouldn't...
because I don't have a fucking chip on my shoulder the size of Montana.
I've heard a lot of horrible homophobic jokes...directed at ME. It's gonna take quite an amazing colossal joke for me to get bent out of shape for the whole gay community.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)in misogynist terms, we should attack her ideas as being repulsive. Why resort to misogyny when you can rebut her views? Nowhere did I see seabeyond saying Cupp was "off-limits."
Pab Sungenis
(9,612 posts)"misogynist terms" extend to "unqualified" and "inexperienced."
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)argument in THIS thread (and this thread only since I don't know anything about the other one). So from my vantage point, with no prior knowledge one way or another, she was asking people to knock off the misogyny, stick to the issues. Good Lord, is that too much to ask?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)arthritisR_US
(7,288 posts)the same thing has been said about mittens.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)this subthread is truly amazing.
marew
(1,588 posts)You seem to think that BECAUSE Cupp is a woman she gets a free pass when she says stupid, overused, nonsensical GOTP talking points? It appears you do.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)and outrage would ensue. and i would be standing right with the lbgt community.
did i SAY she should get a pass because she is a woman? of course i did. and no, it does not appear as if i do.
are you telling me, you cannot attack the woman for her stupid WITHOUT being misogynist? there is just no other way to insult the woman. if it is not misogynist then we MUST be saying we support the womans ideas?
really?
you cannot see the obvious in your face reality with discourse?
Pab Sungenis
(9,612 posts)it would have been widely applauded as hilarious.
That's because we're allowed to make fun of men on DU according to many juries.
This is drifting into Meta territory. Perhaps we should take this discussion there.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)community calling it out?
i strongly disagree.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)And before you make the claim, I did not, in a fit of unrestrained paternalistic misogyny, just refer to you as "Babe".
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)times a fking googolplex.
arthritisR_US
(7,288 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)someone's incomprehensible "argument."
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i do not know anything about that. ask the lbgt community how they feel about that.
she was pickles. meh, dont keep up with all the cute names.
arthritisR_US
(7,288 posts)going like a wind up toy and the image that comes to mind is either unplugging her or putting a clip on the crank in her back. It's the same image that I get when I see BillO, Pat Robertson or any of those very rude righties who think non-stop talking, interrupting and shouting gives validity to what they say. A fair discussion entails equal parts listening which they seem incapable of doing, SE Cupp fits right in there, JMO.
lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)are truly amazing.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)nicknames?
ok. whatevah.
OMG... i got a couple nicknames confused. amazing, i tell you.
lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)what nicknames you are talking about.
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)DocMac
(1,628 posts)Why don't you wash your hair?
Buns_of_Fire
(17,181 posts)Overseas
(12,121 posts)Just issue Republican platitudes with certitude and keep going until the 90 seconds are done. Then let the other guy have 20 seconds. Then do it again.
Edited to add-- It's not about content, it is about Confidence. Confident assertions.
marew
(1,588 posts)southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)With Carville and Sullivan and she barely got a word in. They had to resort to cutting to her when she was making faces. I'd never seen her so... silent
AnotherMother4Peace
(4,246 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,061 posts)For the first 10 minutes of the panel she just droned on and on. When the two of them started to stomp on her and she had no way to defend her positions, she shut up.
So, that's the way to shut her up. Make her positions look indefensible.
GAC
marew
(1,588 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,061 posts)I was just commenting that she was a noise machine for the first part of the show until Carville and Sullivan started embarassing her with the truth. That's when she finally shut up.
GAC
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)though I don't always agree with them, Sullivan and Carville know how to cut down bullshit talking points with brutal efficiency. And they did so, magnificently.
Chiyo-chichi
(3,581 posts)monmouth3
(3,871 posts)anyway?. They've been gone a while now, Willie was back and don't know why. Very confused.
Mike Daniels
(5,842 posts)Since Florida and Virginia both went for Obama Joe lost the bet he had with David Axelrod. On a more seriouis note, I think there may be some health issues with a family member in Florida so he may be down there.
No idea where Mika is but I'd think there has to be someone that makes a better substitute host than S. E. Cupp.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)eShirl
(18,494 posts)With extra-clear enunciation.
She's not as dumb as she sounds.
That's my theory for the day.
ProfessorGAC
(65,061 posts)And, the people who aren't part of her audience are MUCH smarter than she thinks they are.
GAC
BlueToTheBone
(3,747 posts)would he have said that to say, Michael Steele? or say, Luke Russert? It seems that it's an easy target to talk to a woman like that.
Okay, flame away. I'm on my way to work, so if I don't respond to all the comments I'm sure will come, just know, I'm not ignoring you, just trying to make a living. Or, maybe no one will even think it's worth a thought. Either way, have a great day.
socialindependocrat
(1,372 posts)When someone on TV spews to the point of pissing you off one gets the urge to shut them down
Most people who have some factual base for their comments we may accept
and just argue with.
These other people piss you off because of illogic and stupidity
Cupp
Limpballs
Hannity
Beck
Lyin' Ryan
Rove
Palin
Ann Coulter
Joe (when he talks incessantly and interrupts Mika)
The thing is that you never see these people (except for Cupp) on MSNBC
because someone definately would chew them out - maybe to the point of
having to call security.
I see your point but when people lie and twist and spin and spew out propaganda
and (like Cupp) show their illogic I think that we reach a limit where we want to choke
someone.
marew
(1,588 posts)I occasionally watch that other program Cupp is on at 3. If she represents a woman who is a deep conservative thinker, we are in a heap of weeds. There are so many conservative women out there who can make better arguments for their conservative philosophy and Cupp is not even close to being among them. She attempts to monopolize that program also.
Sorry but if she can't make sense or get it together, she should not be there!
Pab Sungenis
(9,612 posts)Don't try to play the persecuted gender card here. She is a clueless hack who filibusters constantly to seem intelligent and keep any intelligent conversation from proving her wrong. Not saying that to S.E. Cupp would be demeaning and condescending.
If Michael Steele or Luke Russert behaved the way S.E. Cupp does, yes, he would have.
ProfessorGAC
(65,061 posts)People get told to shut it, all the time on that show. Male or female. There aren't that many shows where there is actually "debate" with both sides (or three) presented.
But, on those that do have this layout, it happens to men and women all the time.
And, BTW, in the RW world, every divergent view is stifled with a "just shut up", or some electonic equivalent.
GAC
hate to say this to you, people think Republican women basically support their men rather than object to rape is not rape. That makes some people who disagree with them call them bad names.
Flaxbee
(13,661 posts)-- her voice is somehow extremely grating and off-tone and that's not necessarily her fault, but she uses it poorly, and rarely stops to take a breath. I turned Bill Maher's show off last Friday because she was on and it was hard for Carville and Sullivan to get a word in edgewise or complete a comment. She may have felt at a disadvantage b/c she was the only woman on the show that night but she was still very annoying, not just because she's an apologist for the Republicans.
Having said that, I don't think Deutsche would have said that to another man. And women rarely say that to men. It's just a common put-down of women, so common that I don't think it's even consciously done; it's been a comedy laugh-line forever on innumerable shows, and part of human (not just US) culture.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)just yesterday. See: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021817562
False equivalence.
BlueToTheBone
(3,747 posts)while noting he was a twerp who never asked the question of a man.
Sippy was just told to shut up.
Mike Daniels
(5,842 posts)When he was trying to say something and Joe would just leap in and start arguing over what Donny was trying to say.
So, I don't think "stop talking" had any gender undertones as far as how Donny responded to SE...just a general irritation at being interrupted esp. by someone who was just repeating the same thing over and over.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)It happens all the damn time on lots of political talk shows. Had Sippy Cup said that to DD, nobody would be up in arms about it. Why? Because he's a man, and he's expected to take it. If women want an equal playing field with men, then they should be able to take it and well as dish it out. If you can't or won't then get off the damn field. Steele, Russert, Tweety, Schultz and any number of male pundits or journalists have always been thoroughly sliced and diced here.
Sippy Cup is an easy target because she's a buffoon. I would dearly love to see Rachel Maddow slice Sippy to ribbons.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)in a matter of seconds is, I am sure, the reason you will never see Sippy darken TRMS' door. Talk about Bambi vs. Godzilla!
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)the hideous sippy thing with bambi.
jp11
(2,104 posts)I didn't see it but I've seen enough of Sarah to know she likes to drone on with stupid and ignore reality and just about everything else that is going on around her to push her point and acts like it is perfectly rationale/reasonable. If that is her job then she does it well and my opinion of MSNBC takes a huge nosedive for bringing onboard a republican nut to say nutty things and have virtually no one ever challenge it. The mere fact that they'd employ her to play that stupid part would be such a disgrace and I can't see any serious person on that network wanting her anywhere near their discussions/show.
I'm not a fan of Michael Steel but at least he acknowledges other people's points/facts/etc he has his own take and will spin/distort some things but Sarah takes that to another level. A level much closer to Fox/limbaugh/beck type reality distortion perhaps not the most extreme ends of them but much closer than other 'republicans' MSNBC has on staff to voice their view of issues.
I've seen Megan McCain, Steve Schmidt, Michael Steele and other republicans with their own views on things and I don't think one of them has said the kinds of stupid crazy crap Sarah has said or been as reliable to say something stupid then smile like an idiot afterwards as almost no one corrects/challenges that stupidity. I don't know if that is out of being dumbfounded that this person has said that, they are directed to not challenge her, or simply see no point in trying to educate stupid. I can empathize with the latter as I simply cannot make myself attempt to educate extreme stupidity born out of delusions of the real world.
I think more likely Donny wouldn't have said that to the other two because they wouldn't be rambling like I've seen Sarah do so many times as she makes her point then smiles like she won or showed up someone.
I think it is sexist to say that the only reason Donny talked to Sarah like that was she is a woman, or to classify her as an easy target because she is a woman. I don't know the reason but I imagine it has to do with how she engages in discussions not because she is a woman. If that wasn't what you were saying, my apologies but that is how it read to me.
I certainly am no fan/defender of Donny I don't know all that much about him but seeing him on TV he can be reasonable on some issues but like many Morning Joe regulars will swing to Joe's conservative narrative or endorse the both sides do it BS.
valerief
(53,235 posts)dchill
(38,502 posts)But not any less than I do of Donnie Deutsch.
I might be in favor of SE shutting up, but certainly not in order to hear what DD has to say.
homegirl
(1,429 posts)Joe has been off all week, what a relief. He is without a doubt the biggest, emptiest mouth on channel TV. Irritating and rude beyond belief. Right up there with Bill O'Reilly. I think Mika is only there for the paycheck. Joe should be retired permanently!
ProfessorGAC
(65,061 posts)She's a one hit wonder with the laser skipping back to the same place of the same song, over and over and over.
GAC
Indykatie
(3,697 posts)Cary
(11,746 posts)She would look a lot like Michael Smerconish.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)They'll be forever has-beens.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)for themselves and keep making mistakes in the meantime.
Also, I think we make a mistake telling ReThugs how we won! That should be...we know...you find out.
calico1
(8,391 posts)And I'm a woman.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)What's worse, is she's an idiot that keeps blathering on and on and on.......
I see no need to rush to her defense just because she's a woman and so am I. Just as I wouldn't vote for a woman just because she's a woman.
calico1
(8,391 posts)I mean, a lot of people insult Ann Coulter and Michele Malkin. Is that misogyny? I don't think so.
Now, S.E. Cupp is nowhere near as bad as them, but still.
Plus she claims to be an atheist. Why in the world would an atheist support a party made up mostly of religious wackos? Makes no sense.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)that is not what that subthread is about.
the posters joke, was a "joke" out of hustler magazine. how to shut a woman up. that would be the misogyny. not the woman being an idiot or everyone calling her an idiot.
librechik
(30,674 posts)can you unlock and join with your sisters now to oppose the media culture of misogyny?
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Stupidity always deserves to be a target.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,350 posts)or some way to watch it on MSNBC's site?
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Merlot
(9,696 posts)Except that would never happen.
It's boorish, sexist behavior.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Here's boorish.
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10021826464
Shitheaded, boorish behavior from your 'hero'. Feminists everywhere are proud.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Another vacuous butthead promoted to the ceiling at the end of the Peter Principle by the Patriarchy who only wants a set of perl handled ghost-blue eyes onscreen.
She might have been an Art Major and a 'Ballerina" but she knows exactly SHIT about the political process, the way the world works, or, much of anything as far as I can discern.
She is a COMPLETE waste of a college education.
But she shore is pretty. Ya shore ya betcha.
I feel the exact same way about Chuck Toads. Except he ain't easy on the eyes.
Complete fucking morons, a perfect set.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)I cannot STAND her and her grandstanding, arrogant, ignorant attitude.
Shilo
(101 posts)Duppers
(28,125 posts)With a certain person on ignore.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)n of speaking but gets cut off. White blond hair, sits next to Joe.