Elizabeth warren Vows To Reform Filibuster on the fist day

[outsideworld]

Go warren

http://keepthis100.com/elizabeth-warren-vows-to-reform-filibuster-rule-on-first-day/

[DURHAM D]

1. She needs to be careful

or Harry and the other status quo old Dem men will move her outside the campfire circle. In fact, they may have already done just exactly that.

[demwing]

3. Based on what?

Supporting the filibuster reforms that Reid has called for? I guess I don't see it...

[a kennedy]

7. Yah, freshmen senators get to just "look" around.....

might get lucky getting on a great committee, but I doubt Elizabeth and Tammy and other new frosh are going to be able to "do" anything.

[Arkana]

77. Warren's already going to get the Banking Committee.

[IDoMath]

79. Well let's change that

We need to back her up.

If Obama can go from Frosh to Pres, Warren can make some things happen too

[Scuba]

98. Bingo. We elected EW, Alan Grayson, Tammy, Tammy, etc ....

... for a reason.

I think Elizabeth have more power than the old guard may think. There's a lot of folk across America who will back her up if she needs.

[WilliamPitt]

18. Oy.

[INdemo]

48. Reid has already said he wanted to change the filibuster rules

but he seemed as if he wanted a vote now before the new Congress.which would probably not make it through and he would have bragging rights to say he tried.
..I think the new Senators are serious about changing the status quo and if I was Harry Reid I would not push or pressure the women too much 'cause they may have just brought their "clippers" with them to DC

[frazzled]

2. Excuse me if I say ...

This is a bit presumptuous of her.

Jeff Merkley, Tom Udall, Kristen Gillibrand, and Tom Harkin (but especially the first two) have been working on this for the last four years: I've signed plenty of their petitions. I'm glad Elizabeth Warren is joining them, but the junior senator from MA should not be claiming to be the white knight of this thing before she's even taken office.

[CTyankee]

4. gee, I dunno. I think maybe it's time someone came in and shook things up a bit.

I think the American people are looking for action, not a lot of words. If Warren can get something done doing things differently, she should try.

[frazzled]

8. Are you suggesting that these other senators have done nothing?

Tom Udall and Jeff Merkley have created a detailed plan, which involves limiting the types of legislation or nominations open to filibuster, and forcing forcing floor speeches if it's used. Elizabeth Warren is joining them. Let's give them all credit.

And let's also remember Lawrence O'Donnell's advice to all the new senators. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama did not get where they are by flashing themselves around when they got to the Senate. I'm sure Elizabeth Warren is going to put her nose to the grindstone and listen and work like a dog when she gets there, but us elevating her to queen of the filibuster reform movement or savior of the senate is not the kind of thing that helps her senate career in the end.

[edhopper]

11. Did you read the article?

Did you see the part where she says she is joining the very Senators you name for reform?
I don't get your problem?
She is not a politician, she went to the Senate to do something for us.

[demwing]

14. The responses here surprise me

not yours, but those who want Warren to slow down. Someone down thread actually said she needed to be "schooled."

If MA wanted the status quo, they would have sent Scott Brown back to the Senate instead of back to the unemployment line.

[CTyankee]

43. That was kind of my point here. I'm not saying others haven't tried in our party. They have.

But new voices and fresh faces can add to the mix and I think Warren is a treasure. She is hard working, brilliant and a formidable opponent for the Republicans. I sure as hell wouldn't want to go up in a debate against her...

[demwing]

45. + 100%

can't disagree with anything you wrote

[sheshe2]

52. Thank you from Massachusetts!

[xxqqqzme]

59. Reading the article appears

to be secondary to replying to a headline.

[frazzled]

86. I not only read the article, I signed the petition well before this OP was posted

And I've been following the filibuster reform efforts for quite a few years. (It's how I ended up on Jeff Merkley's mailing list even though I don't live anywhere near Oregon.)

My point was that the OP was trying to make EW somehow the lone superwoman of this effort. A header with a link and "go Warren" is hardly sufficient to express the long, hard work that has gone into the attempt to get filibuster reform. Are we interested in the issue, or are we just interested in creating new heroes?

Did you read what I wrote? Because I don't think you'd be bent out of shape if you had.

[Maraya1969]

32. According to the article it can happen on the opening day of the Senate with an up or down vote.

Why haven't they done that?

[DonViejo]

40. Uh, because the Senate is in it's closing days of a session...

the opening day of the next session occurs in January 2013.

[demwing]

5. Right, because that's exatly what she said

On the first day of the new session in January, the senators will have a unique opportunity to change the filibuster rule with a majority vote, rather than the normal two-thirds vote. The change can be modest: If someone objects to a bill or a nomination in the United States Senate, they should have to stand on the floor of the chamber and defend their opposition.

I’m joining Senator Jeff Merkley and six other newly elected senators to pledge to lead this reform on Day One, and I hope you’ll be right there with us. Our campaign didn’t end on Election Day — and I’m counting on you to keep on working each and every day to bring real change for working families. This is the first step.

http://keepthis100.com/elizabeth-warren-vows-to-reform-filibuster-rule-on-first-day/

Oh wait, maybe that's not what she said.

[chowder66]

10. I don't always click on links so thank you for posting what she said. nt

[BlueMan Votes]

6. Exactly. while I'm ecstatic about her being elected...

it seems that she may need to be schooled in just how things work in the senate.

[demwing]

17. I'm hoping you forgot the sarcasm tag

otherwise your post make me feel like barfing somewhere inappropriate.

She needs to be schooled? Are you fucking joking?

jesus..

[BlueMan Votes]

23. nope.

and i said that it seems that she may need to be schooled in how things work in the senate.

it all depends on the arc of her learning curve.

but so far- it's not looking too promising...if this is at all indicative.

[Gore1FL]

27. What does she have wrong, praytell? n/t

[BlueMan Votes]

31. first years aren't generally the ones that do the leading.

[BlueCaliDem]

38. Without change to the filibuster, the only "leading" will be done by Turtleman McConnell.

And the American people, by a landslide, refuted the Republican (mis)leadership.

Senator Warren is doing what all progressives have been aching for Harry Reid to do - and to not make another deal with Turtleman and his corporate cronies in the Senate even if they promise to behave this time (which is why Reid didn't pursue filibuster reform in 2010).

Let's hope Harry Reid doesn't play Charlie Brown to their Lucy holding the football again like he did in January 2010.

[BlueMan Votes]

63. and there are more senior senators already on it.

[Gore1FL]

105. She is joining them, as the article states.

So are other new Senators.

[BlueMan Votes]

64. and as was pointed out earlier in the thread- there are more senior senators already on it.

ultimately, it's up to harry reid to make the call- and if history is any judge...well- i'm not going to be surprised if he does his charlie browniest yet again.

[tkmorris]

22. Didn't read the article, huh?

I've noticed that thread titles around here (well OK, most of the internet really) tend to the hyperbolic. Rarely do the linked stories justify the thread title. And of course, many if not most of the responders in the thread respond to the inflammatory thread title and not the actual news itself. The internet has expanded greatly the availability of information, but it has also lowered our collective attention span to that of the dog from the movie "Up" *squirrel!*.

To sum up, Warren did nothing more than express support for the work other Senators have been doing for years.

[BlueMan Votes]

29. better than you did, apparently...

"to pledge to lead this reform on Day One" goes a little further than just expressing support for the work other Senators have been doing for years.

[demwing]

39. Nah, tkmorris is right

you either missed or ignored critical detail.

I'm leaning to the "ignored" side of the scales there, based on your condescending tone in this thread

[BlueMan Votes]

75. and what pray tell would that 'critical detail' be...?

i'm open to being enlightened.

[demwing]

80. The critical part where Warren

doesn't do or say the things for which you are criticizing her.

You missed that part.

[BlueMan Votes]

84. Really? Because the article has quote marks around parts of the text...

and that usually indicates that the person actually said it.
things like: "to pledge to lead this reform on Day One."
But if you say she didn't say it...i guess she didn't say it...

[demwing]

92. No, she said that. You just don't understand what it means

to you, it's disrespectful and presumptuous. To others that you so cavalierly insult, it's a sign that her head and her heart are firmly focused on the correct issues.

She didn't go to the Senate to join the old boys club, she went to kick it's ass.

That's appears to rustle your jimmies. To fucking bad. Get used to it.

[BlueMan Votes]

93. her head is definitely in the wrong place if she thinks she's going to "lead" from day one.

and she won't be the first first-timer to get a big smack right in the ego.

you'll see.

[sheshe2]

51. HERE HERE

[Paper Roses]

49. If she waits too long, she may end up like many of the others.

Status Quo!
I'd like to see some motion in then senate.
She will be a new voice against the old fogies now running the place. Perhaps some shoving might be in order.

[BlueMan Votes]

73. 'shoving' isn't the best strategy for a first year.

even Al Franken knew that.

he kept a fairly low profile, and learned the ropes.

[sabrina 1]

55. SHE needs to be schooled? By whom? We do not want

elected officials being schooled to simply join the same old DC way of doing things. We worked to get people like her elected to CHANGE those old ways. Looks to me like she needs no schooling, maybe she and all the other new members of the Senate can start schooling those who are way too comfortable with the way things are.

[BlueMan Votes]

70. you'll see.

just pay attention to how it all plays out.

and- I would love to be wrong about this, because i do like her, and i'm glad she turned scott brown out.
but the senate is a very traditional body, and things work a certain way and it's not "Mr. Smith goes to Washington".

[julian09]

88. Her vote counts as much as the majority leader, she was sent to accomplish things.

She worked to get there, doesn't need to sit by idle, if she has something to say, say it.

[BlueMan Votes]

89. People also expected Al Franken to 'shake things up' from day one...

But once he got there- he realized that it was best to play by the rules and traditions.

And I'm sure that Elizabeth will come to the same realization. She's a very smart lady.

[julian09]

107. Really didn't expect much from Franken, given his background.

Glad he got the seat. Elizabeth is a serious person, with the right experience to chair a committee. She is the professor not the student.

[11 Bravo]

110. And no doubt you're just the one to "school" the silly little woman.

[NYC Liberal]

9. "I’m joining Senator Jeff Merkley and six other newly elected senators"

That's her "claiming to be the white knight of this thing"?

Really?

[BlueMan Votes]

25. you left out the "to pledge to lead this reform on Day One".

first years aren't generally the ones who do the leading.

it's kind of a respect for seniority thing- and tradition is a fairly big deal to them as well.

[Gore1FL]

28. I hope all Senators have leadership skills. n/t

[BlueMan Votes]

33. they also need to know when to use them- and wait their turn.

the senate is a very traditional place.

[demwing]

42. Whatever dude

"needs to be schooled"..."wait their turn" ...

You seem to have an agenda that's rooted in an old school mentality. It hasn't worked well for us, so why in the hell should we stick with what hasn't worked?

[BlueMan Votes]

66. "agenda"...?

[demwing]

72. Yeah, I thought your comments were funny also

not funny as in "ha ha that was funny!" but funny as in "does this milk smell funny to you?"

[sheshe2]

56. To Hell with tradition!

We sent her to shake things up!
To work with fellow Senators to help allow the Voices of the American People to be heard!

[BlueMan Votes]

68. "work with" being the operative phrase.

and seniority has a lot to do with how it works.

[sabrina 1]

74. Apparently she knows exactly when to use the power the people

gave her.

THIS is why we supported her. THIS is why Republicans hate her and tried to 'put her in her place' but failed.

That's not what you are suggesting is it, that she should 'know her place, meaning sit down and shut up? Because she will not, and that is why we helped get her elected.

So far, she's doing great. And if it upsets the old, DC Club, then we KNOW she's on the correct path.

[demwing]

76. Amen to that!

If she waited her turn, and deferred to her seniors, she never would have run for the Senate, or won the seat.

This deference to the status quo is exactly what we DON'T want.

[BlueMan Votes]

85. yes- in the press.

in the actual Senate chambers- it'll be an entirely different story.

[sabrina 1]

96. That's where it starts. That's what getting elected to the Senate does,

it gives you access to the microphone which up to now, apparently many chose not to use. I am thrilled to see her and Tammy Baldwin taking full advantage of the ability they now have to speak on our behalf to the American people.

[Gore1FL]

106. Good thing they didn't listen

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251248689

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/15/democrats-filibuster-reform_n_2141382.html

Now, Reid is ready to pull the trigger on a change. "I was wrong," Reid said recently about his unwillingness to back a handful of junior senators who were pushing for reform.

Edited for spelling typo.

[NYC Liberal]

99. Well if "tradition" hinders progress then the tradition needs to go.

[librechik]

15. she said no such thing--

please stop over-reacting and read the actual article

[WilliamPitt]

19. Oy.

again.

[tkmorris]

24. No point in posting it twice

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021825478#post22

[argiel1234]

57. you are not excused

apologizing for the status quo with the poo pooing attitude is a poor excuse for a response

[sheshe2]

12. Presumptuous? Elevating her to queen?

Did I miss something in this article? She said she was joining them! Not taking over

Go Warren!
This why we voted for her!

[Le Taz Hot]

13. If I haven't said it enough lately,

I LOVE this woman! She is SO what the party needs.

[Gregorian]

16. Mrs. Smith Goes To Washington.

YAAY!

[BlueMan Votes]

34. ...is a motion picture fantasy.

it's not how things actually work in the senate.

she may have seen the movie a few times too many.

[ccavagnolo]

67. may i just ask what your beef is?

your issue has to do with her timing? is that it? that she along with all the OTHER SENATORS who "pledge to lead from day one," should sit in the back and do what? wait around for someone else to do it out of respect for their elders?

once i tried to help an old man to cross the street. he spit on my shoes and asked if id always be there to help him across. i said no and went on my way. elizabeth didn't get her shows spit on. she just lifted the old man above her head, ran across and was there every afternoon following to do the same.

[BlueMan Votes]

82. the total cluelessness on display in this thread about how the senate works.

in a nutshell.

[demwing]

90. So pompous

good day to you...

[BlueMan Votes]

95. good day to you to.

[sabrina 1]

71. Really? A Dem Senator stands up for the people as she was elected

to do and you accuse her of having watched a hollywood movie too many times?

It's going to take women to change that 'reality' you speak of which has lasted way, way too long to the detriment of the American people, and Elizabeth Warren apparently understands that this is the reason she is there, to begin that task.

So far, she's doing great smashing the illusion that what you just referenced as if it was a good thing, the old, DC anti-people policies, and this is why we supported her, from all across the country.

[BlueMan Votes]

87. I never said it was a good thing.

Just that it's the reality of how things work in the senate.

[sabrina 1]

97. That's a defeatist attitude. We elected people like Warren to change

what is 'not good'. No way are people going to just sit back and accept 'the way it is' when the 'way it is' has been so bad for the country.

You are free to simply accept things as they are, but fortunately throughout history people have come along and changed things no matter how entrenched they may be, and little by little made this a better world

The people obviously are not at all happy with 'way things are' and we started the ball rolling to change things, by electing people like Warren and by being there behind her and letting them know, to support her.

[Qutzupalotl]

20. Sign the petition for filibuster reform here:

http://www.reformthefilibuster.com/merkley/

(Found on Merkley's facebook page. The other senators might have a similar link.)

[Kaleva]

30. Signed

[Lucinda]

21. KNR

[mother earth]

26. She's simply an incredible Senator/woman & I'm so grateful for her in MA!

[BlueMan Votes]

35. she's not an incredible senator just yet...

seeing as she hasn't even been sworn into the position yet...

[mother earth]

41. Her incredible-ness predates swearing in, she'll require further admiration & accolades afterwards.

Count on it.

[demwing]

44. Wow you really have a burr in your butt over Warren

let it go, blue man

[BlueMan Votes]

78. actually the burr has to do with the truly unenlightened ones...

that seem to want to put her up for sainthood before even starts the job.

[demwing]

91. No its beyond even that level of nonsense

you're not just criticizing us for appreciating her, you're criticizing her for hitting the ground running.

Your whole point seems to be "No one is listening to me! No one cares about my superior knowledge and wisdom!"



Here you go, you know what song to play...

[BlueMan Votes]

94. I'm all for her hitting the ground running...but she needs to run with the rest of the pack.

that's how the senate works.

ask Al Franken. he knew how first years are suppose to behave.

you'll see.

[Zorra]

36. For the record: "On the first day of the new session in January,

the senators will have a unique opportunity to change the filibuster rule with a majority vote, rather than the normal two-thirds vote."

From the link sourced in the OP

Elizabeth is awesome, a genuine Democrat.

We will see, on the first day of the new Senate, which Dem Senators vote with her on this issue.

Any Dem Senators who do not vote with her on this issue will be put on notice; they should start looking for a new job immediately thereafter, because they will be marked as traitors.

[Myrina]

37. Awesome but I'd prefer if she reformed Wall Street ...

... along with new Attorney General (wishful thinking) Elliot Spitzer.

[graham4anything]

53. HUH??? where is Eric Holder going? (unless he will be new Supreme Court nominee)

Why would President Obama hire Spitzer after the Betrayus episode? I seriously doubt he would.
It will be hard enough getting Susan Rice through, and there are more important things to do capital wise.

As for Warren, she would better make sure she can come through, otherwise, she will Dennis Kucinich herself before she even starts.

I think a line item veto for the President would be a good thing, allowing Obama to pick and choose.

[demwing]

58. "Dennis Kucinich herself"??? You realize that you can't gerrymander a Senate seat, right?

Kucinich was in the House, Warren is in the Senate

[graham4anything]

62. That is not what I meant. I meant Dennis talked a good game, but never got many things passed

but Dennis knew he was way left but ended up on the left, like the extremists on the right-
with little to show for it, except the base loved it. (Rand Paul wants alot of things on the right, but he ain't getting them. Same things happen on the left too).

Kennedy was big proponent of making sure to attempt to do things that were feasibly possible
because the system works slowly

I hope they do something about the fillibuster, but I am not sure "it is a done deal"

I do hope Elizabeth Warren is the strong arm voice LBJ as Senator was but that means she will need to win the issues she says.

(example in the house- Ron Paul kept yapping about an audit on the Fed, and retired this week BASICALLY admitting he was a total fraud and got no accomplishments to show for it)

[demwing]

65. ok my bad

Seemed like a confused comment, but it was just me

[Zorra]

81. It's impossible to win battles in war when you are the only person in your army who

is actually willing to fight the enemy.

[ProudProgressiveNow]

46. K&R nt

[Cleita]

47. This is misleading.

She said she would vote for it along with other Senators. She can't change anything. That is Harry Reid's job.

[frazzled]

83. Well, that was my point (for which I got hammered)

It was the OP and its idolatrous header, suggesting EW was at the helm of this movement, or that nobody's already been hard at work on it, that galled me.

I'm full bore behind Elizabeth Warren. I just was trying to point out that she's one of a number of senators. I don't like elevating any one of them over another. But god forbid you should point out the obvious.

[aquart]

50. Clenched fist day?

[Mr. Sparkle]

54. My secret crush on Elizabeth just got bigger.

shush , don't tell her

[treestar]

60. Thank you, Massachusetts!

[libodem]

61. Oh no

I feel a case of blind idol worship coming on. I'm twitterpated with awe. Phat plan.
Go sister.

[Comrade_McKenzie]

69. Is this a discussion forum or a "Jump at the chance to be contrary" forum?

Geez.

Of all things to cause such a heated discussion.

[MineralMan]

100. What? There's a FIST day in the Senate?

What a deal. I wanna see Al Franken go up against Mitch McConnell, mano a mano. Yessirree!

[druidity33]

102. GAAaaaaahhhhh.....

I thought for sure no one else had noticed that. You ruined my plan for a pithy remark!

Oh well...

[MineralMan]

103. You snooze, you lose.

[Kablooie]

101. The only time the rule can be changed with a simple majority is on the first day of session.

From the second day on, the rule change itself can be filibustered.

It has to be the first day or never.

[Flying Squirrel]

104. If this means I gotta explain fisting to my daughter....

Nvm

[Whisp]

108. 'fist day', I kinda like the sounds of that.

Senator Warren on Fist Day.

[Silent3]

109. First rule of fist day

Never talk about fist day.