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H2O Man

(73,801 posts)
Thu Sep 21, 2023, 03:27 PM Sep 2023

A Clockwork Orange

" The Government cannot be concerned any longer with outmoded penelogical theories. Cram criminals together and see what happens, You get concentrated criminality, crime in the midst of punishment.”
― Anthony Burgess, A Clockwork Orange


Crime is a measure that helps define a society. When we think of the era from 1850 to 1920 for example, there were the bank robbers such as Jesse James, John Dillinger, and Butch Cassidy. They are remembered more fondly today than the politicians of the Gilded Age, who used their offices to rob the public between 1877 and 1900.

Of course, some things could be called "coincidence" if one believed such a thing exists. Sydney Powell was convicted in Ohio yesterday for butchering her mother. Sidney Powell is facing a conviction in Georgia for attempting to butcher the Constitution.
https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/sydney-powell-found-guilty-of-mothers-2020-slaying

Now, one of these was an individual commiting crime, the other involved a group of criminals. The gang known to me as the White House Hoodlums, circa 2020-'21, provides an example of a group of people who were prone to committing crimes and were thus drawn to a nucleus of evil as protons and neutrons are in an atom.

It comes as no surprise that Cassidy Hutchinson describes being groped by Rudy Giuliani on January 6. For secual violence and warfare have long been connected. Thus a president who was convicted of a sexual assault in civil court was certain to attract people like Rudy, as well as that creep John Eastman, who apparently became erect watching Rudy's groping Cassidy. A true clockwork orange.

A similar but obviously more extreme of this type of thing is currently being pushed by the defense team in the Delphi murder case:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/delphi-murders-indiana-girls-killed-sacrifice-white-nationalists-rcna105740
Over the past few days, I've been in communication with a lawyer who does one of the very best "true crime" pod casts, and an expert in the field of the white nationalists pagan cult of Odinism. While there seems to be little doubt that the pud they arrested is guilty as sin, there might have been at least one more person involved. It could have been the land-owner who lied to police about his where abouts that afternoon. It could have been the creep cat fishing, pretending to be a young model, planning to meet one of the victims that day. It would be odd if the pud didn't know the girls would be there.

Note to true crime folks: Note the time the defense claims the pud left the area. Then check the time the other group of girls identified the pud approaching to cross the old bridge.

The expert on the Odin cult -- which he called an abscess on the ancient belief system -- attracts what we might politely call "the prison population." This includes inmates and some guards. Some do engage in fantasy rituals, a well as in violence. However, being racists, they are not prone to butchering two young white girls to send a message. More, the branches placed on the girls do not make for any Odin calling card.

The only thing that might have -- and it is a mighty big "might" -- was the pattern of blood found on a tree. Some investigators reportedly thought this was a possibility. However, all investigators knew it was a sexually motivated crime. The two can certainly overlap.

Another distinct possibility is that the pud had watche season one of True Detective, and thought he could send investigators in the wrong direction. Either way, the expert said that this strain of white nationalists poses a serious threat to society. He noted that it is, by definition, the same strain of evil that infected nazi Germany.

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A Clockwork Orange (Original Post) H2O Man Sep 2023 OP
K&R 2naSalit Sep 2023 #1
Thanks! H2O Man Sep 2023 #4
That line was spoken by ACO's Minister of the Interior (or Inferior, as Alex amusingly kept calling Aristus Sep 2023 #2
I remember H2O Man Sep 2023 #5
You are a master at putting people and events together malaise Sep 2023 #3
This might sound odd, H2O Man Sep 2023 #6
Please go on and on malaise Sep 2023 #7
Okay. H2O Man Sep 2023 #8
I worked closely with young boys in sports malaise Sep 2023 #9
Viddy well, droogs. Viddy well. Kid Berwyn Sep 2023 #10

Aristus

(66,649 posts)
2. That line was spoken by ACO's Minister of the Interior (or Inferior, as Alex amusingly kept calling
Thu Sep 21, 2023, 04:23 PM
Sep 2023

it.)

He was advocating for the Ludovico Technique; Conditioned response brainwashing. A staggering violation of human rights. I agree our methods of criminal correction are outmoded. But we need to come up with something better than Ludovico.

H2O Man

(73,801 posts)
5. I remember
Thu Sep 21, 2023, 05:58 PM
Sep 2023

Minister Malcolm X saying that you teach people in the high chair, not the electric chair. I've heard that J. Edgar Hoover used a similar line. Certainly, there are a lot of good families in this country. But there are also a lot of inadequate, and even very bad families, too.

Since I'm paraphrasing some others, I'll add that a few years ago, when discussing this, George Foreman noted he was lucky to have come of age when America cared about kids.

malaise

(269,731 posts)
3. You are a master at putting people and events together
Thu Sep 21, 2023, 04:27 PM
Sep 2023

to show us how acts and beliefs are intertwined.
Fascinating read.

H2O Man

(73,801 posts)
6. This might sound odd,
Thu Sep 21, 2023, 06:16 PM
Sep 2023

as strange thoughts often ingabit my mind, but ..... long ago, Rubin and I were discussing the energies of a collection of people comes together. A group focused on Good can bring about progress. But a group that is fearful, anxious, and hateful brings about no good. And how this was especially true in the cases pf what Rubin called "unconscious" people -- those who ever rose above the feelings of our animal selves, gathered their negative energies.

Carl Jung spoke of the collective unconscious as a force in humanity. Before the rise of Hitler, Jung told of how a number of his clients had dreams that contained the symbolism that warned of the rise of "the Blonde Beast." This is not that different than the white nationalists' Odin cult. We see the same threat.

There are other similar things going on in our culture today. I could go on and on -- as I often do!

H2O Man

(73,801 posts)
8. Okay.
Thu Sep 21, 2023, 08:38 PM
Sep 2023

I just got back from watching my sister's granddaughter's soccer game. Phew! I enjoy watching kids' sports when I know at least one who is playing. I figure that both winning and losing can teach life-lessons. A lot of adults -- especially parents -- don't seem to remember this. They anticipate -- almost demand -- that their child get a scholarship for college, despite relatively few ever getting one.

Thus, over the years, I've seen more rude, often racist, behaviors of parents at high school sports. I've seen the state police have to remove a mother from the gym in a girls basketball game. Gone is the concept of sports as a fun activity. Coaches that haven't learned a thing since coaching a girl's grandmother have a hard time being a healthy influence. I think of the pressures put on students. My great niece's parents both won state titles in at least one sport, could add pressure.

This is an example of the mindlessness that impacts children & youth of most communities around here. Small scale, but the decay of empire always involves the break-down of the community.

If I could talk to Jung, I'd mention that a lot of the alt-right, all white members of the defendent's cult believed John Kennedy, Jr. was alive, and about to enter politics. However, it is his cousin running in the Democrat primaries. He is my friend, and so I will not say anything bad about him. But I will say that a lot of those believing JFK Jr. was going to get involved, now support Robert. And I'm not on the same team as them. I support President Biden. I'm opposed to Jung's Blonde Beast, which is today's Orange Beast.

malaise

(269,731 posts)
9. I worked closely with young boys in sports
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 09:05 AM
Sep 2023

in my community and then in a few others.
There are no people worse than parents living vicariously through their children and some of the middle class parents are the worst.

Example - there was this prep school and their kids practiced on our community field as did the other primary school in that community.
Both football teams did really well winning school championships year after year. Some of the prep school parents started to show up for practice sessions on Saturdays. Suddenly they decided to provide food for the kids and coaches. Before you knew it their kids with no talent replaced the talented kids. They had bought their kids places on the team.
Of course the team started losing year after year. Meanwhile the kids from the primary school continued winning. Their parents could barely show up on match days because they were working class folks.
Tell me about parents and sports. They teach their children the worst values.




Kid Berwyn

(15,318 posts)
10. Viddy well, droogs. Viddy well.
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 11:29 AM
Sep 2023
Nazis in the attic, part 6

By Randy Davis

GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH

...Like Nixon, George Bush was deeply involved with supporting the Nazis in the Republican's closet. In fact, support for the Nazis was a Bush family tradition which goes back more than six decades and, once again, to Allen Dulles.

Loftus and Aarons write: "The real story of George Bush starts well before he launched his own career. It goes back to the 1920s, when the Dulles brothers and the other pirates of Wall Street were making their deals with the Nazis. . . ."

THE BUSH-DULLES-NAZI CONNECTION

SNIP…

"Sullivan & Cromwell was not the only firm engaged in funding Germany. According to 'The Splendid Blond Beast,' Christopher Simpson's seminal history of the politics of genocide and profit, Brown Brothers, Harriman was another bank that specialized in investments in Germany. The key figure was Averill Harriman, a dominating figure in the American establishment. . . .

"The firm originally was known as W. A. Harriman & Company. The link between Harriman & Company's American investors and Thyssen started in the 1920s, through the Union Banking Corporation, which began trading in 1924. In just one three-year period, the Harriman firm sold more than $50 million of German bonds to American investors. 'Bert' Walker was Union Banking's president, and the firm was located in the offices of Averill Harriman's company at 39 Broadway in New York.

"In 1926 Bert Walker did a favor for his new son-in-law, Prescott Bush. It was the sort of favor families do to help their children make a start in life, but Prescott came to regret it bitterly. Walker made Prescott vice president of W. A. Harriman. The problem was that Walker's specialty was companies that traded with Germany. As Thyssen and the other German industrialists consolidated Hitler's political power in the 1930s, an American financial connection was needed. According to our sources, Union Banking became an out-and-out Nazi money-laundering machine. . . .

SNIP…

". . . In a November 1935 article in Common Sense, retired marine general Smedley D. Butler blamed Brown Brothers, Harriman for having the U.S. marines act like 'racketeers' and 'gangsters' in order to exploit financially the peasants of Nicaragua. . . .

CONTINUED…

http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/randy/swas5.htm

Gee. That's 88 years ago. What a coincidence.
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