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Why are so many MAGATs pro Israel but anti Semitic? (Original Post) Recycle_Guru Oct 2023 OP
That's a great question AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #1
They are pro-Israel because... Whatthe_Firetruck Oct 2023 #31
Many MAGATs consider themselves Christians although they don't act like Christians. Sneederbunk Oct 2023 #2
It's exactly what Christians collectively have behaved like for hundreds of years, ergo it is Maru Kitteh Oct 2023 #17
Everyone who makes that remark about obvious christians ExWhoDoesntCare Oct 2023 #33
Weird, huh. OAITW r.2.0 Oct 2023 #3
Two reasons: Tough guy/far right mentality and Evangelicalism Marius25 Oct 2023 #4
Yes. I had a boss in a military agency who idolized the Israeli marybourg Oct 2023 #7
That's because... 2naSalit Oct 2023 #24
+1 Celerity Oct 2023 #10
The Evangelicals (most of whom are MAGAts) have always wanted Israel to be a safe landing pad.. 70sEraVet Oct 2023 #5
Exactly. Israel has to exist for their vision of the Second Coming to happen. highplainsdem Oct 2023 #6
Well, no Jews around would mean excluding Jesus himself. wnylib Oct 2023 #11
+100! Rhiannon12866 Oct 2023 #25
They believe Jews must control Israel for the end times Johonny Oct 2023 #37
Because they don't know their @$$ from a hole in the ground liberal N proud Oct 2023 #8
Maybe because American Jewish Cha Oct 2023 #9
Not all Jews vote the same. ExWhoDoesntCare Oct 2023 #34
More Jewish People Vote Cha Oct 2023 #36
It has everything to do with their beloved end times prophecy. ZZenith Oct 2023 #12
Exactly right. Israeli tourist agencies book groups of American evengelicals to "come visit..... MMBeilis Oct 2023 #19
This! The ultraright evangelicals believe that Armageddon and the final End Times of the Bible FakeNoose Oct 2023 #27
Hopefully the Antichrist gets rid of most of the nutbag Christian fundies. roamer65 Oct 2023 #32
Excellent question... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #13
It's been that way for a long time TexasBushwhacker Oct 2023 #14
Very interesting! GPV Oct 2023 #30
Because they don't care about Jews, it's about Israel the holy land, 2nd coming etc. elias7 Oct 2023 #15
Expecting logic from them is an exercise in futiliy. Logic and MAGA is an oxymoron. Amaryllis Oct 2023 #16
Because they are evangelicals I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2023 #18
They believe a stupid fairy tale that Jeeeeeesus is gonna come back! Sky Jewels Oct 2023 #20
right. ecstatic Oct 2023 #21
They certainly do love their demigod's teachings ExWhoDoesntCare Oct 2023 #35
K&R AmBlue Oct 2023 #22
Because many are more anti-Muslim than they are anti-Jew... MyNameIsJonas Oct 2023 #23
have heard it accurately termed "evangelical doublespeak bullshit"...🤔 bringthePaine Oct 2023 #26
I like the accurate term Recycle_Guru Oct 2023 #28
Evangelicals GPV Oct 2023 #29
They love the far right govt led by Netanyahu but hate most Jewish people. nt pnwmom Oct 2023 #38

Whatthe_Firetruck

(564 posts)
31. They are pro-Israel because...
Sun Oct 8, 2023, 11:32 PM
Oct 2023

... They want to hurry on the Rapture where all the "good" Christians ascend to heaven after Jesus comes down to them in the air. Then after all the sinners who were left behind die off, they'll come back with Jesus to rule the Earth for 1000 years. The painfully bad fiction book series of the same name, "Left Behind", will clue you in to the mindset if you can stomach the awful prose.

To clarify, they are pro Israel because certain things need to happen to Israel according to Revelations in order to trigger the Rapture, and part of that is the Jews convert to Christianity, if I recall.

They are antisemitic because they are authoritarian fascists. Jews only have value to them if they convert, or they set off the Rapture. Looked at from that pov it makes perfect sense.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Behind

Maru Kitteh

(28,373 posts)
17. It's exactly what Christians collectively have behaved like for hundreds of years, ergo it is
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 08:18 PM
Oct 2023

the predominant way that Christians behave. A few well-behaved Christians has not made Christianity well-behaved.





 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
33. Everyone who makes that remark about obvious christians
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 04:13 AM
Oct 2023

Not acting like christians willfully ignores how christians have behaved for centuries now.

It's like they all turned off their brains during history classes, so that the cognitive dissonance wouldn't rip them in half.

OAITW r.2.0

(25,213 posts)
3. Weird, huh.
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 07:41 PM
Oct 2023

Must have been taught the difference in Christian indoctrinal classes.

I guess they get to love/hate at the same time.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
4. Two reasons: Tough guy/far right mentality and Evangelicalism
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 07:41 PM
Oct 2023

They see Israel as a far-right, tough country that goes after Muslims, which obviously MAGA hates too.

And most MAGA are Christian extremists, and Christian extremists believe Israel needs to build the Third Jewish Temple to usher in the return of Jesus and start Armageddon.

marybourg

(12,693 posts)
7. Yes. I had a boss in a military agency who idolized the Israeli
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 07:46 PM
Oct 2023

military, especially its air force, but denigrated American and European Jews.

70sEraVet

(3,657 posts)
5. The Evangelicals (most of whom are MAGAts) have always wanted Israel to be a safe landing pad..
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 07:44 PM
Oct 2023

for the Returned Jesus -- but they don't want any Jews around to spoil the celebration!

Johonny

(21,198 posts)
37. They believe Jews must control Israel for the end times
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 03:16 PM
Oct 2023

To begin. They are apocalyptic believers. The Jews will then get what is coming to them when Jesus comes back. So they support Israel, but hate basically all minorities as far as I can tell.

Cha

(299,269 posts)
9. Maybe because American Jewish
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 07:51 PM
Oct 2023

people don't vote for them.. they're too Smart like our Loyal base POC and specifically WOC.

And not supporting Israel would be politically stupid.

Right now they're blaming Pres Biden for Funding these attacks.. like the LYING craven fucking assholes they are.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
34. Not all Jews vote the same.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 04:29 AM
Oct 2023

Saying that American Jews will or won't do X is like that time one of my idiot traitor thug co-workers told another co-worker that he couldn't be Jewish because he had never known a liberal Jew before. The Jew's response?

"Get out more. We're not the Borg who all think and act the same."

Same applies with your remark. Jews don't have a hive mind they're all plugged into. Some are liberal, some aren't.

Same as any other religious or ethnic group.

Really.

ZZenith

(4,156 posts)
12. It has everything to do with their beloved end times prophecy.
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 08:00 PM
Oct 2023

They loves them some Jesus but hates them Jews.

And don’t bother pointing out that their Lord and Savior is a Jew, it simply will not compute.

MMBeilis

(207 posts)
19. Exactly right. Israeli tourist agencies book groups of American evengelicals to "come visit.....
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 08:46 PM
Oct 2023

.....the "Holy Land" and just shake their heads at how stupid these folks really are.

FakeNoose

(33,432 posts)
27. This! The ultraright evangelicals believe that Armageddon and the final End Times of the Bible
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 10:27 PM
Oct 2023

... cannot happen until Israel defeats its enemies. That's why they're rooting for Israel to start World War III.

Their crazy convictions include the return of Jesus to Earth, who will save all the "true believers" and banish everyone else to Hell. Of course the evangelicals are quite certain that they'll be among the "saved" because ... politics. Somewhere in there they believe that the Jews of Israel will be converted to Christianity, or some such nonsense.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,357 posts)
14. It's been that way for a long time
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 08:13 PM
Oct 2023

Evangelicals support Israel because Jesus must return to Israel to fulfill their version of Biblical destiny; ie. the second coming of Jesus is part of rapture theology.

I have a distant cousin, Grace Halsell, who wrote about this - "Forcing God's Hand: Why Millions Pray for a Quick Rapture... And Destruction of Planet Earth". The book is out of print, but used copies are available. She was also a speechwriter for LBJ.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,611 posts)
18. Because they are evangelicals
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 08:29 PM
Oct 2023

They are pro israel because the jews need an israel to return to,israel with its historical borders and 2/3 rds of the jews need to die for jesus to come back .

The iron shield around israel needs to defeat an onslaught of missles too. Jesus wont come back if a bunch of jews don't die according to this bible craziness and there is an insane prophecy regarding Israel regarding all the signs that jesus is coming.

I used to be evilgelical. This is the basis what they think is a sign jesus is coming back.They hate jews but need them and isreal to exist because prophecy.

And there are too many evangelical prophecy crazy people in our government that should not be allowed anywhere near our foreign policy departments.

Sky Jewels

(7,318 posts)
20. They believe a stupid fairy tale that Jeeeeeesus is gonna come back!
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 09:11 PM
Oct 2023

And Israel is the way that he comes back.

It's pathetic that modern people still buy that mythological bullshit.

ecstatic

(32,928 posts)
21. right.
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 09:17 PM
Oct 2023


Just one of many inconsistencies / hypocrisies.

Love embryos and barely formed fetuses, hate actual born babies and children.

"Love" Jesus, hate his teachings.

"Love" freedom except when it involves a woman controlling her own uterus/vagina/marriage/etc.

Love guns, just not at their events.

The list goes on and on.
 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
35. They certainly do love their demigod's teachings
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 04:35 AM
Oct 2023

Like the ones about hating on foreigners because he doesn't think it's right to feed 'dogs' when he's come to teach only those of Israel.

Or promoting divisiveness, even amongst families.

Or scorning your family when they annoy you, even telling his own mother she's not his family, but his party buddies are.

Or hanging out with your homies, partying and boating and never having a real job, but finding time to harass hard-working people minding their own business.

Or teaching people to enjoy being abused by turning the other cheek to be hit again.

Or thinking it's okay to beat up people over non-violent offenses.

Or torturing people they disagree with. Forever.

Those teachings, they're definitely okay with.

 

MyNameIsJonas

(744 posts)
23. Because many are more anti-Muslim than they are anti-Jew...
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 09:55 PM
Oct 2023

Plus, the whole Evangelical belief that a Holy War in Israel will prelude the end of times.

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