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JT45242

(2,259 posts)
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 07:20 PM Oct 2023

Has anyone wondered if the large sum from MBS bought the info that went to Hamas?

I know the prevalent idea is Russia to Iran to Hamas....

But would destabilizing the Middle East, driving up the price of oil and getting Iran blamed for it seems like something prince bone saw might give the trump clan lots of money thru Jared and Ivanka.

Or info in exchange for golf tournaments....

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Has anyone wondered if the large sum from MBS bought the info that went to Hamas? (Original Post) JT45242 Oct 2023 OP
The fact that it is a legitimate Pantagruel Oct 2023 #1
It's NOT a "legitimate consideration"... regnaD kciN Oct 2023 #4
thanks. 'legitimate consideration' should be held in reserve stopdiggin Oct 2023 #11
Can't see this. Saudi Arabia has been making changes JI7 Oct 2023 #2
Utterly unlikely... regnaD kciN Oct 2023 #3
Could be LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 #5
No. former9thward Oct 2023 #6
I don't see the Saudis supporting an Iranian proxy. nt Gore1FL Oct 2023 #7
Hamas equals Iran. The Saudis aren't going to do shit to help Hamas prodigitalson Oct 2023 #8
Israel paper says LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 #9
about as likely as most conspiracy stopdiggin Oct 2023 #10

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
4. It's NOT a "legitimate consideration"...
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 07:32 PM
Oct 2023

…any more than the Bush maladministration’s fantasy that Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11.

stopdiggin

(11,292 posts)
11. thanks. 'legitimate consideration' should be held in reserve
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 09:02 PM
Oct 2023

for scenarios having at least some minimal plausibility ...

The rest is just free range (food fight!) thought experiment ...
The kind that sounds a lot better when you're, 19, a college sophomore, and 4 beers into a 6-pack.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
3. Utterly unlikely...
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 07:31 PM
Oct 2023

Hamas is backed by Iran, Saudi Arabia’s biggest enemy in the region. The Saudis were in the verge of a peace treaty with Israel and the U.S. that would have isolates Iran. There’s lots of speculation as to whether Iran ordered Hamas to stage this attack to undercut those negotiations. It didn’t help the Saudis; in fact, it may have caused them considerable difficulty.

If you’re looking for a route from Trump to the attack, you’d be better off considering that Iran’s biggest backer/ally is Russia, and this helps turn the world’s focus away from Ukraine. And, of course, TFG’s affinity for Russia is well-known.

In general, it’s wise to look carefully for alliances and alienations throughout that region before speculating on who might behind what. Coming at it from the assumption that “Arabs/Muslims are all one undifferentiated, malevolent group” is unlikely to produce any analysis short of inaccurate stereotypes that helps nothing.

LiberaBlueDem

(900 posts)
5. Could be
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 07:39 PM
Oct 2023

Hamas is supported by a secret nazi bunch just to make chaos for Israel and prod them into war. Would not take much money but lots of secret manuvers.

But Hamas must be crushed. That Hamas has been around so long means they have hidden backing to create such chaos.

former9thward

(31,965 posts)
6. No.
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 07:45 PM
Oct 2023

The Saudis and Hamas are enemies. If anything Hamas (at Iran's direction) made the attack to try and derail peace agreements with the Saudis and Israel. The Palestinians are being cut out of the peace agreements that the Arab nations are making with Israel. The Arab nations don't want anything to do with them.

prodigitalson

(2,399 posts)
8. Hamas equals Iran. The Saudis aren't going to do shit to help Hamas
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 08:05 PM
Oct 2023

Putin on the other hand loves him some Iran..and needs their help. It just makes way more sense that Putin is ingratiating himself with the ayatollahs with their drones than that Prince Bonesaw is gonna help his mortal enemies...especially when he is trying to normalize relations with Israel (who he despises way less than he does the Iranians or their Hamas minions.) Only thing MBS would give Hamas is the bonesaw treatment. MBS is one evil fucker but he has specific priorities. One of which may have just gone up in smoke as he finds it more difficult to normalize with Israel when Israel is killing a bunch of Palestinians. So there is another motive for the Iranians...prevent a diplomatic relationship between their two biggest enemies. Israel and Saudi Arabia. Putin is the one digging the chaos.

stopdiggin

(11,292 posts)
10. about as likely as most conspiracy
Mon Oct 9, 2023, 08:51 PM
Oct 2023

drivel. (Which is to say not much. And, no, I've spent almost no time pondering the - extremely far fetched - possibility ... )

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