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Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 08:38 AM Oct 2023

WH is walking back statement ... of evidence of beheaded children.

https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-pictures-terrorists-beheading-children-white-house-2023-10?op=1


On Wednesday, President Joe Biden said he saw "pictures of terrorists beheading children."

Hours later, a National Security official walked back those comments.

The official told NPR Biden was referring to media reports about the attack in Israel.

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The unfolding of an Instant Big Lie…read it and weep for truth…

Also a spokesperson for who else, Bibi, said for sure this is true….!! Liars, and Liars in War…the worst.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/10/middleeast/israel-kibbutzim-kfar-aza-beeri-urim-hamas-attack-intl/index.html

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Kicking:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218354522#post30

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WH is walking back statement ... of evidence of beheaded children. (Original Post) Alexander Of Assyria Oct 2023 OP
The fog of war is always inevitable NewHendoLib Oct 2023 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author redqueen Oct 2023 #3
Post removed Post removed Oct 2023 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Alexander Of Assyria Oct 2023 #5
As always, the most inflammatory Voltaire2 Oct 2023 #4
That was especially gruesome, but there was plenty of gruesome abound! boston bean Oct 2023 #6
Sure. Voltaire2 Oct 2023 #7
I expected this. Jirel Oct 2023 #8
Baby killers is a reoccurring theme in propaganda. The Germans were accused of it during brewens Oct 2023 #13
A number of DU members have been posting fake news. The most egregious are now on full ignore. pecosbob Oct 2023 #9
I remember a few days ago claudette Oct 2023 #11
Quite inthewind21 Oct 2023 #20
After the lies about Iraq Marthe48 Oct 2023 #10
I have seen posted photos of beheaded IDF soldiers lapfog_1 Oct 2023 #12
"if they were shot or beheaded, how does that make it OK?" -- show me ONE PERSON here who said it ma obamanut2012 Oct 2023 #14
No one said it was "ok". BlueTsunami2018 Oct 2023 #15
There's no moral distinction when it comes to killing babies. There is a distinction when it comes WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2023 #16
so many of the replies to this OP lapfog_1 Oct 2023 #17
Terrorists behead people to kill them in part because of the emotions Ms. Toad Oct 2023 #18
Thanks for the excellent summation redqueen Oct 2023 #25
Since see, beheaded baby was making the rounds, then see...no beheaded baby would seem Alexander Of Assyria Oct 2023 #21
And others inthewind21 Oct 2023 #23
Pure emotion, hate preferred, can be harnessed across the spectrum. Starve of fuel! Alexander Of Assyria Oct 2023 #24
Just so we are clear, this doesn't mean babies being beheaded didn't happen ripcord Oct 2023 #19
And as clearly babies being sent to mars in rocket ships also did not probably not occur! Alexander Of Assyria Oct 2023 #22

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Jirel

(2,014 posts)
8. I expected this.
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 09:09 AM
Oct 2023

Remember the preemie babies taken from their incubators by Iraquí soldiers in Kuwait, and left on the cold floor to die, at the start of the first Gulf War? Yeaaaaah….

brewens

(13,552 posts)
13. Baby killers is a reoccurring theme in propaganda. The Germans were accused of it during
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 10:02 AM
Oct 2023

WWI. The Japanese in WWII and many more examples. While babies were killed in war of course, combat troops were not pitchforking them and roasting them over fires as claimed.

I wasn't calling bullshit on Hamas doing it but realized it may be more of what we've seen before.

claudette

(3,494 posts)
11. I remember a few days ago
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 09:30 AM
Oct 2023

pointing out that immediate reports of beheading of babies, etc. might be propaganda. That does NOT discount the horrible atrocities that were proven to be done by Hamas, it just goes to show that until the hate dies down a bit, it's difficult to know WHO is telling the truth. Anyway, I got scorched for it so this OP vindicates that thought.

Marthe48

(16,918 posts)
10. After the lies about Iraq
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 09:30 AM
Oct 2023

I'll wait for more information. Last I heard there are 2300 dead, and the number is climbing, will climb. Hate never ends.

lapfog_1

(29,194 posts)
12. I have seen posted photos of beheaded IDF soldiers
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 09:58 AM
Oct 2023

not clear if they died before they were beheaded.

But does it really matter? Is anyone disputing that children were slaughtered in this attack?

if they were shot or beheaded, how does that make it OK?

obamanut2012

(26,047 posts)
14. "if they were shot or beheaded, how does that make it OK?" -- show me ONE PERSON here who said it ma
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 10:25 AM
Oct 2023

One.



BlueTsunami2018

(3,488 posts)
15. No one said it was "ok".
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 10:30 AM
Oct 2023

We’re just saying they’re trying to fuel the hate flames higher with this beheaded babies propaganda. As if what actually happened isn’t bad enough.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,311 posts)
16. There's no moral distinction when it comes to killing babies. There is a distinction when it comes
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 10:32 AM
Oct 2023

to propaganda value, however, and it's deeply important to be aware of it.

lapfog_1

(29,194 posts)
17. so many of the replies to this OP
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 11:13 AM
Oct 2023

took the tone of "see, there were not beheaded babies... the fog of war... bibi lied... just like the Germans in WW2" or call backs to the kuwaiti stories about war with Iraq.

Does anyone believe that it is so much better for Israel to fake claim that babies were beheaded as opposed to being shot? Or stabbed to death? or strangled? What exactly is the propaganda value you speak of in how the babies were killed?

In my view this is an attempt to make Israel LESS THE VICTIM of a terrorist attack IF it can be claimed that Israel lied about the details of the terrorism. In this case, a completely unimportant detail because, as you say, there is no moral distinction.

People were beheaded... the photos are posted (by Hamas).

babies were killed... the body bags are still being loaded into trucks... many of them are "small body bags".

The people who did this, and the people that support them, have given up any right to be part of the human race.





Ms. Toad

(34,030 posts)
18. Terrorists behead people to kill them in part because of the emotions
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 11:55 AM
Oct 2023

Last edited Thu Oct 12, 2023, 03:51 PM - Edit history (1)

that particular method of execution creates - moreso than, for example, shooting them.

The same is true of claims that someone was beheaded - a claim that someone was beheaded inflames emotions more than a claim that someone was shot.

And, because of the innocence of babies, claims that they were killed is more inflammatory than claims that adults were killed.

So claims that babies (the most inflammatory victims) were beheaded (the most inflammatory method of killing) has the largest propaganda value.

Morally, the reality that Hamas killed babies remains the same. Completely immoral and unacceptable, regardless of the means used to kill them.

But the propaganda value of claiming that they were killed by beheading is significantly greater - and when emotions are so inflamed, it makes it more likely that whatever response Netanyahu mounts will be supported, even if it involves killing innocent Palestinian babies.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
21. Since see, beheaded baby was making the rounds, then see...no beheaded baby would seem
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 11:58 AM
Oct 2023

the only logical response…or words to that effect!?

Straight from a credible national leaders mouth would seem to make any allegation credible, I get it but…literal versus figurative was lost in translation. It happens a lot!

Of course there are exceptions...America had four years of a totally lying leader…and Israel has had a few years also, and now…..Russia…it’s not a long list but it’s full of dictators.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
23. And others
Thu Oct 12, 2023, 12:01 PM
Oct 2023

Respond with pure emotion. People with agendas across the globe thank you for your predicted response. Still wonder how Trump got elected?

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