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Eko

(7,199 posts)
Sat Oct 21, 2023, 04:36 AM Oct 2023

Poll: Do you support an invasion of Gaza.


56 votes, 5 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Doing a full invasion of Gaza
16 (29%)
Doing a limited invasion of Gaza with special forces
18 (32%)
Not invading Gaza
22 (39%)
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Poll: Do you support an invasion of Gaza. (Original Post) Eko Oct 2023 OP
I have to say I am agnostic on this. Eko Oct 2023 #1
I think I'm glad the decision isn't mine Sympthsical Oct 2023 #13
I'm for self defense, but not when multigraincracker Oct 2023 #2
I hear ya. Eko Oct 2023 #3
And that would be what? Behind the Aegis Oct 2023 #4
Reacting when someone is attacking you to protect yourself and others. Eko Oct 2023 #5
Air defenses and a secured border multigraincracker Oct 2023 #11
Israel should remove Hamas's offensive capability DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2023 #6
For the US military or the IDF? boston bean Oct 2023 #7
Agreed ProfessorGAC Oct 2023 #8
66% of Americans want a ceasefire womanofthehills Oct 2023 #9
And that's just the ones with landlines leftstreet Oct 2023 #14
I elect representatives to make informed choices, not simply to echo "public opinion" brooklynite Oct 2023 #16
I don't support invading anything. Patton French Oct 2023 #10
I want the hostages back and Hamas gone. jimfields33 Oct 2023 #12
I'm afraid at this point Israel must invade Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #15
Well, I voted for a limited invasion using special forces. But there's no real good choice. PatrickforB Oct 2023 #17

Eko

(7,199 posts)
1. I have to say I am agnostic on this.
Sat Oct 21, 2023, 04:51 AM
Oct 2023

I don't believe any action is the correct one but I am surprised on the amount of views by people that haven't voted. I know which one I prefer but that in no way makes it the correct one and could indeed be the wrong one. Say what you gotta say. I wont come at you for it.
Eko.

Sympthsical

(9,007 posts)
13. I think I'm glad the decision isn't mine
Sat Oct 21, 2023, 10:19 AM
Oct 2023

I don't know what the solution to this is. I'm pretty strongly defensive of Israel and Jews, but I also want peace and life for innocent Palestinians as well. But when there's war, no one's going to get everything they want out of a situation.

I don't think any of us know what the right course of action is. Every solution offered in the current circumstance leads down a path where you're dealing with various consequences down the road. Israel goes full in, civilians suffer. Israel does nothing, genocidal antisemites become emboldened. Ideally, you want to say, "Have special forces root them out!" but that isn't a realistic scenario with an organization that has deeply embedded themselves in the civilian population like a bunch of maniacal ticks.

It feels like every choice isn't great.

I was listening to someone - not sure who, maybe someone on PBS news hour? - who said one thing President Biden is probably doing with Netanyahu is trying to pin him down with a plan. "What's your plan here? What's your goal? What does the end of this look like?" Which is 100% absolutely the question that we all should be asking, but especially any military response. Don't go into war with only a rough idea of objectives. You need some metrics here. What does victory look like to you?

And people need to have answers for that - realistic answers. "What if we just declared peace and everyone hugged each other and said no more war?" isn't an answer.

Two state solution? Great. I support a two state solution. How does one get there in such a way that Israel feels secure and Palestinians are sated by what they receive?

Well, that's the issue. I'm glad the decision isn't mine.

Eko

(7,199 posts)
5. Reacting when someone is attacking you to protect yourself and others.
Sat Oct 21, 2023, 05:45 AM
Oct 2023

But you may have a different idea of what that is and that is ok. What did you think I thought it was?

multigraincracker

(32,609 posts)
11. Air defenses and a secured border
Sat Oct 21, 2023, 09:15 AM
Oct 2023

a land for peace. Palestinian country just like other folks have their own.

ProfessorGAC

(64,744 posts)
8. Agreed
Sat Oct 21, 2023, 09:02 AM
Oct 2023

The question is too vague. I'm a hard no on US direct involvement.
Also, what does "invasion" mean? Full or limited is not enough description.

womanofthehills

(8,642 posts)
9. 66% of Americans want a ceasefire
Sat Oct 21, 2023, 09:04 AM
Oct 2023
https://x.com/mehdirhasan/status/1715425462539665850?s=46&t=YZgyyp4w_z7vW3neKxa6cQ

“66% of Americans want a ceasefire.

And yet, by my count, less than 5% of House members - all progressive Democrats, mostly POC - have called for a ceasefire.

Which tells you everything about how, on this issue like so many others, Congress is out of touch with public opinion.”

leftstreet

(36,095 posts)
14. And that's just the ones with landlines
Sat Oct 21, 2023, 10:28 AM
Oct 2023

Imagine how polling would look if they gave people more access:

Do you want cash back from your purchase? Yes No
Do you want an invasion of Gaza? Yes No

brooklynite

(94,200 posts)
16. I elect representatives to make informed choices, not simply to echo "public opinion"
Sat Oct 21, 2023, 10:43 AM
Oct 2023

Assuming there was a cease-fire tomorrow. how would you free the hostages and capture the Hamas terrorists responsible for thousands of deaths?

Happy Hoosier

(7,171 posts)
15. I'm afraid at this point Israel must invade
Sat Oct 21, 2023, 10:29 AM
Oct 2023

Hamas must be removed from power and the terrorist infrastructure in Gaza. To do otherwise is to just set a timer for the next Hamas atrocity.

It sucks, but it’s rip-off-baindaid time.

PatrickforB

(14,549 posts)
17. Well, I voted for a limited invasion using special forces. But there's no real good choice.
Sat Oct 21, 2023, 10:48 AM
Oct 2023

How I see it, and I've taken some flack on here for this:

1. The British Empire partitioned Palestine after WWI.
2. The British pulled out of Palestine after WWII.
3. Israel was born in 1948 and surrounding Arab states refused to recognize its right to exist.
4. Other Arab states refused to take in the Palestinians, who were forced to live in refugee camps.
5. Israel made some effort to absorb them, offering citizenship.
6. Israel hard-liners settled on the West Bank and in Gaza.
7. Gaza was and is essentially a ghetto, where 2 million people have to live separate with Israel controlling all borders and access to any material needs.
8. The material needs of the people living in Gaza have not been met - they are not free to travel, many times do not have access to the basics like electricity and water, decent housing, food, transportation, good schools and healthcare.
9. Hamas took over the 'government' of Gaza in an election, after which no further elections were held.
10. Hamas has a written charter which denies the right of Israel to exist, calls for the destruction of Israel, and killing the Jews.
11. Hamas took recruits over years from the Palestinians enclosed in Gaza, help from Iran, Jordan and other states.
12. Hamas unleashed its missile attack and now hides among the Palestinians in Gaza, using them as shields.

In the meantime, according to the NYT, military spending in 2022 had risen to $2.2 trillion USD, and now this war is expected to create another surge. Lots of money changing hands. Lots of PROFITS being made off the suffering.

In fact, every time you look under these rocks to see the squirming maggots underneath it is nearly always an old white male hand grasping for more PROFITS.

In the meantime, the Israeli and Palestinian people are suffering prodigiously.

Policy affects us. All of us. This is why we should force changes in corporate governance to a stakeholder approach rather than our current shareholder primacy. Because face it, when we ask who benefits from keeping Palestinians in an enclosure and oppressing them? Certainly not Israel, nor the Palestinians. In fact, working schmucks around the world never really benefit from war, terror, violence.

So why do we have war, terror and violence? Somebody must benefit from it, right? Arms manufacturers come to mind. Religious zealots. People who want the west to fall.

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