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rpannier

(24,337 posts)
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 03:27 AM Oct 2023

They really need to stop blaming Matt Gaetz

Though Matt Gaetz is obnoxious and annoying, and he may have the most punchable face in the House, they (Republicans and Media) need to stop blaming Matt Gaetz for what is happening in the House. To listen to Republicans, and many in the media Mc Carthy was a beloved figure around space and time, and had it not been for the evil machinations of this one guy from Florida, Mc Carthy would still be Speaker.
The majority of the blame rests on Mc Carthy and the Republican Party. They (Republicans) embraced (Trump) a nihilistic, self-centered, vain, incompetent anarchist who appealed to people's demons, instead of their angels, because he brought them tax cuts, and unqualified judges who would outlaw abortion, all the while he played his petty anarchistic terrorist card every chance he got.

It was Mc Carthy, not Gaetz, who was so desperate to get that gavel that he made the bargain, where the 21st century version of Newt Gingrich's more evil, odious and obnoxious twin was able to wield the Sword of Damocles like an eight year old, swinging it around the room without any adult telling the little boy to stop -- because there are no adults in their room, thus providing him the opportunity to bring SINO Kevin down. SINO Kevin (Speaker In Name Only) made that deal thinking (though I doubt he thought that long, and certainly not hard, about it) that he could control the dragon. Instead of recognizing that caving to a terrorist just emboldens them to be demand more. In fairness to Gaetz, that's what Republicans have been doing since the 90s; threatening to tear everything down if they don't get what they want.
So see? Gaetz is a Republican
And even with Gaetz's call to vacate, there were other Republicans who voted to unseat SINO as well. So Gaetz could have called to vacate the Chair, sat in the corner holding his breath, his face turning a deep purple, and it wouldn't have mattered had the rest of the caucus held firm. That the leadership was surprised that Rep Mace voted against Mc Carthy shows how little their leadership really understands their membership, or what a horrible crank Mace is -- or both.
That their second choice, Scalise, was a guy who compared himself favorably to David Duke is not Gaetz's doing. Scalise is a well- thought of, well-respected member of the Republican House caucus. Their leadership proudly claims a member of the most secret of House caucuses, the Klan Caucus, as a leader of their Party. Gaetz didn't put him there. I don't know if Gaetz wants him there, or not. But even if he did, he's still just one member with one vote.
That their next choice, Jordan, was an individual so vile that about half of his own caucus loathed him, again is not because of Gaetz's brilliant Dr No-like genius. They did this to themselves. It was painfully laughable to hear the only person who is less of a team player than Gaetz cajoling his colleagues to pull together to for the good of the country. That from a man who wouldn't have voted with his members if it meant saving his best friend's life without demanding tax cuts, or kicking the poor down the stairs. Jordan's new found emphasis on team is laughable and pathetic coming from a guy who was a coach of a university sport.
Jordan's other biggest failing; you know other than he is a loud-mouthed, self-centered, non-team playing, incompetent jerk who has collected a paycheck for the last dozen years without actually having accomplished anything close to passing a single piece of legislation (not even a post office in someone's name), is that he's a poor fundraiser. Because... well... people hate him. SINO Kevin may have sucked, but he does know how to raise a lot of cash.
Gaetz just gets the attention because the Republicans and the media (you know, the liberal media) will not acknowledge the mess that is the Party disembowelling the House -- though, in fairness, Gaetz does seem to like the attention.
But we can all take heart that some guy in his first term in the House has announced that he's running for Speaker.
Oh... and Trump doesn't want the guy from Minnesota to have the Speaker's Chair because he said early on that Biden won.
So there we are
And none of that is because of Matt Gaetz.
And yes Matt Gaetz does suck and is horrible and is responsible for a lot of ignorant and stupid things. Just not this

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They really need to stop blaming Matt Gaetz (Original Post) rpannier Oct 2023 OP
Well Said DET Oct 2023 #1
It's a telling point about how bad the House Republicans are rpannier Oct 2023 #2
Problem Mccarthy & other blame Dems for their own's doing onetexan Oct 2023 #3
I am fascinated to know more about the voters in their districts. Frasier Balzov Oct 2023 #4
What happened to the political party of personal responsibility? Emile Oct 2023 #5
Yep. Just another empty slogan. nt The Unmitigated Gall Oct 2023 #8
The gauntlet Roy Rolling Oct 2023 #6
I'm sorry, but *NOPE* Had Matt Gaetz, and Matt Gaetz ALONE Baltimike Oct 2023 #7

DET

(1,323 posts)
1. Well Said
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 03:55 AM
Oct 2023

I hate to support anything even remotely giving a pass to Matt Gaetz, but you laid out the case very well. Plenty of blame to go around.

rpannier

(24,337 posts)
2. It's a telling point about how bad the House Republicans are
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 04:24 AM
Oct 2023

when a House member from Tennessee (a Republican) castigated Mc Carthy for his incompetence, said that Rep Pelosi (whom he said he disagreed with on almost every issue) would never have allowed the chaos that occurred to happen. And he still voted to keep Mc Carthy as Speaker
They are a rudderless ship.
Say what you want about the Turtle in the senate, this nonsense doesn't happen with him, or Schumer, or Pelosi.

onetexan

(13,058 posts)
3. Problem Mccarthy & other blame Dems for their own's doing
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 04:38 AM
Oct 2023

F'em. We dob't budge till they agree to some powersharing deal & get what we want.

Frasier Balzov

(2,667 posts)
4. I am fascinated to know more about the voters in their districts.
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 04:38 AM
Oct 2023

Gaetz, Jordan, McCarthy, Scott Perry, MTG.

At least the voters in George Santos's district can claim they were defrauded.


Emile

(22,899 posts)
5. What happened to the political party of personal responsibility?
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 04:49 AM
Oct 2023

Never mind, Republicans always were the party of finger pointing fools.

Roy Rolling

(6,933 posts)
6. The gauntlet
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 06:09 AM
Oct 2023

Narrowing millions of people to an amorphous “they” is the modus operandi of propagandists actively attempting to cloud the issue using the honorable opposition minds like rpainnier.

The propaganda word is “they” as in “they need to stop blaming MG”. Who exactly is “they”, because that is everyone but me and you.

It’s a small mental leap to make but it’s a gigantic logical gap to cross.

“Republicans and media” cannot logically be the “they” in this. It’s a broad generalization meant to sow discord not narrow the focus on the culprits who are the real “they”.

Because they are always the real problem. 😉

Baltimike

(4,146 posts)
7. I'm sorry, but *NOPE* Had Matt Gaetz, and Matt Gaetz ALONE
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 06:40 AM
Oct 2023

not pulled his stunt, Kevin McCarthy would, indeed, still be Speaker of the House.

WE are the ones pointing, factually, at Matt Gaetz's stunt.

THEY are blaming us Democrats for it.

We REALLY need to walk in the truth, and, truth be told, Matt Gaetz did this

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