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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAlan Grayson: Dems Would ‘Shoot Ourselves In The Head’ By Agreeing To Social Security Cuts
Never subtle, but almost always right!
The Democratic Party should be united, said Grayson. We are the party that created Social Security. We are the party that created Medicare. We should stand behind it, and we should protect it. Its amazingly popular among the voters. Why should we shoot ourselves in the head by saying were going to end these programs, or even cut back these programs, when we created them, and the voters love them?
Read more: http://boldprogressives.org/alan-grayson-democrats-would-be-shooting-themselves-in-the-head-if-they-agree-to-social-security-or-medicare-cuts/
ananda
(28,884 posts)..
northoftheborder
(7,575 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)September 20, 2012
A major bloc of 29 senators took a strong stand today against any cuts to Social Security as part of a deficit reduction deal. "We will oppose including Social Security cuts for future or current beneficiaries in any deficit reduction package," the senators said in a letter circulated by Sen. Bernie Sanders, the founder of the Senate Defending Social Security Caucus. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Sen. Charles Schumer, the Senate's No. 3 leader, signed the letter. So did Sens. Mark Begich, Sheldon Whitehouse and Al Franken, who joined Sanders at a Capitol news conference.
Social Security has not contributed to the deficit or to the national debt, the senators said. The program that benefits more than 50 million retirees, widows, widowers, orphans and disabled Americans has a $2.7 trillion surplus and, according to actuaries, will be able to pay every benefit owed to every eligible recipient for the next 21 years.
"Contrary to some claims, Social Security is not the cause of our nation's deficit problem. Not only does the program operate independently, but it is prohibited from borrowing," the letter said. "Even though Social Security operates in a fiscally responsible manner, some still advocate deep benefit cuts and seem convinced that Social Security hands out lavish welfare checks. But Social Security is not welfare. Seniors earned their benefits by working and paying into the system," the letter added.
Social Security has not contributed to deficits because it has a dedicated funding stream. Workers and employers each pay half of a 12.4 percent payroll tax on the first $110,100 of a worker's wages. The tax rate for employees was reduced to 4.2 percent in 2011 and 2012, but is scheduled to return to 6.2 percent in January.
To read the letter, click here »
http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=066FB085-5798-4E6C-ABA2-85549D84DFA6
Other signatories:
Sens. Jack Reed (D-R.I.), Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), Ben Cardin (D-Md.), Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.), Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.), Patty Murray (D-Wash.), Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.), Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii), Tim Johnson (D-S.D.), John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii), Tom Udall (D-N.M.), Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), Carl Levin (D-Mich.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) and Joe Manchin III (D-W.Va.)
This doesn't include Elizabeth Warren and other new Senators.
Democratic Senator Introduces Bill To Lift Social Securitys Tax Cap, Extend Solvency For Decades
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021834952
Report1212
(661 posts)There is no constituency for cuts!
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Then what's all the fuss about?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)to gamble with in their huge casino and they are behind the lies that SS had anything to do with the Deficit.
Thank YOU Alan Grayson. The momentum is growing and I feel hopeful that whatever sneaky deals might have been made with Bowles/Simpsons lying Committee, it's becoming more and more obvious that there will be huge opposition to their plans.
And someone please tell me Erskine Bowles is not going to be the new Treasury Sec. Another fox in the henhouse? I hope not.
bucolic_frolic
(43,356 posts)Maybe Simpson-Bowles was your typical Presidential Commission
meant to study something and appear to be doing something about
it, but will end up being substantially ignored in policy
But it gave Obama deficit reduction credentials when he needed them
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)people who have long been liars regarding SS and whose main goals have included privatizing SS. Once they introduced SS into the conversation they should have been removed from the Committee. Leaving liars on a Committee like that does not give anyone credibility.
Red Mountain
(1,737 posts)Very little policy balance came from that committee.
Report1212
(661 posts)NEOhiodemocrat
(912 posts)And thank you Alan Grayson, I am so looking forward to your return to Washington! I love your voicing support for everyday American's. You were missed.
LibinMo
(533 posts)"I just finished reading Sen. Bernie Sanders' letter opposing cuts to Social Security. It was signed by 29 Senators. I couldn't find your name among them. Are you in favor of cuts to Social Security? It is 90% of my retirement income and any cut whatsoever would be an extreme hardship, especially coupled with the recent inadequate COLA."
It would be interesting to see McCaskill's response. My other Senator is that POS Roy Blount. Every time I contact him I get a silly canned Republican response but I keep doing it anyway.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,728 posts)and some noise that some Dems are willing to compromise on that score.
That's what we have to fight.
argiel1234
(390 posts)All of the politicians Ive seen also wanting to end Social Security are Republicans
Ending or cutting Social security in any way is always supported by Republicans.
So you are correct.
Any politician agreeing to either cut or end Social Security in any way is a fucking greedy right wing Republican.
Im glad you clarified that for everyone.
Thank you.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)And its good to hear any liberal Democrat say this, because I'm not sure all the Dems in congress are on board with this view.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)but Obama (via Carney) has discussed cutting (not slashing) benefits. If the president does this now, he'll be shooting ALL of the Dems in the head.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)..and other scams to give this money to their friends on Wall Street.
That was a Golden Priority of the DLC when it was founded in the 90s,
and was pasted all over the DLC website before the Crash of 2007.
http://www.nationalcenter.org/TPSocialSecurity7.html
While the DLC has technically been dissolved and its website scrubbed, its members, their financial backers, and their goals are still very much with us under other disguises, such as "New Democrats", "3rd Way", or "Blue Dogs",
and are in positions of power in the current Democratic Party Administration.
A snake may shed its skin,
but it is STILL a snake.
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You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their rhetoric, promises, or excuses.
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Overseas
(12,121 posts)After the right wing and our conservative owned major media keep up a drumbeat about Entitlement Reform, that leads the public to believe that something really must be done about it, and gives cover to Democrats who need the ample funding from corporations and Wall Street in our current pay to play system.
There are many other ways to raise revenue that have not been tried, like the tiny transaction tax on Wall Street trades, and ways to trim our deficit like de-privatizing the military and/or reducing the rampant war profiteering, that need to be tried before we even talk about touching SSI, Medicare or Medicaid.
DhhD
(4,695 posts)Then he showed up working/helping out the Obama Administration after the Presidential Election of 2008.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)The FICA Reductions ("Payroll Tax Holiday" in Republican Speak) ties Social Security directly to The Deficit
since it mandates that shortfalls to FICA revenue due to the "holiday" will be covered by a transfer from the General Fund.
The Democrats who created Social Security insisted on a completely independent funding mechanismFOR A REASON.
It was NOT a good idea to connect Social Security to the General Fund and the Deficit.
It is now UNTRUE for Democrats to claim that Social Security does NOT add to The Deficit,
because NOW, thanks to the Payroll Tax Holiday", it does.
The "Payroll Tax Holiday" has deeply damaged Social Security by tearing down the sacred Firewall.
NOW, any future Republican Administration (and they WILL come) will be free to raid FICA contributions,
and call it a Democratic Stimulus.
Does the phrase "We want to shrink it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub" ring a bell with anyone here?
Extra points for naming the source of that quote.
Double Bonus Points for anyone who can connect Reducing FICA Contributions (Payroll Tax "Holiday" to the phrase "shrink it down".
You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their rhetoric, promises, or excuses.
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grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Double bonus? No idea....
And, couldn't one say that technically it's the Budget Control Act of 2011 that is contributing to the deficit and not SS???
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)Clinton was looking at a privatization scheme before Bush was.
That is just another reason why all the "concern troll" BS from so many DUers before the election was BS.
There's plenty of reasons why not trusting the dem leadership on this is a bad idea until they reject it as Grayson is calling for.
daa
(2,621 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)forestpath
(3,102 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,728 posts)Go Washinton!
calimary
(81,527 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)AND it would be the equivalent of a Stimulus package only better as it would not be paid for from the Fed Budget, but from the fund owned by the people themselves.
Mr.Bill
(24,334 posts)Fine. Stop sending SS checks to anyone who was registered as a Republican on 11/6/12. I'm sure they will all be very happy.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)He's right on point, as usual, in this case.
JanT
(229 posts)i am so glad to see him back
Change has come
(2,372 posts)Posted earlier today.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251247147
NuttyFluffers
(6,811 posts)it's OFF THE TABLE.
now move on and talk about how you're gonna raise taxes.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Report1212
(661 posts)suffragette
(12,232 posts)His voice is needed there.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)We didn't even install it. Came home one day and it was there. Probably from something we signed before.
The across-the-street neighbor immediately erected a Romney sign.
That was fun.
Lasher
(27,641 posts)I wish we could clone him.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)...go Alan!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Faygo Kid
(21,478 posts)But grateful he is there fighting for us.
valerief
(53,235 posts)UCmeNdc
(9,601 posts)The Democratic party would destroy its base and brand if they caved in on Social Security. They should not cave in on Medicare also. They have a golden opportunity to show how they can lead now. If they cave in on Social Security they will earn a reputation as weak without backbone.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)in fact, any mention of it in any conversation involving the Deficit that results in any kind of 'fix' will seriously lead to the end of he Dem Party as we know it.
They can kiss goodbye to an increasingly disillusioned base and we will NOT be fooled by clever turns of phrase, such as Chained CPIs or whatever else they come up with.
They have caved on Wars, on prosecuting War and Economic Criminals, on the PO, on so many things. But if they think they can fool people on SS they will find out that those who have always warned about the SS being the Third Rail of politics are still correct.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)This is not our grandfathers' Democratic Party.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)Last edited Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:00 AM - Edit history (1)
in his own unique way is going to be great! Grayson 2016!
Romulox
(25,960 posts)They are going to deliver a benefit cut/age eligibility increase in their pursuit to make sure SS remains "not welfare".
BlueMan Votes
(903 posts)because the plutocrats say so.
i think that the democratic gains in the house and senate threw the Democratic leadership for a loop- they had expected losses- and were ready to deal away the farm to the repugs, just as the oligarch overlords have insisted.
now- the voters went and spoke out of turn, and queered the whole deal.
PATRICK
(12,228 posts)compromise would be to put future cuts into a bill that would so increase jobs and prosperity that those cuts would become unnecessary and irrelevant. It is the base of money going in, from real wages, that would be the guarantor. ALL substitute measures are meaningless failures of nerve. Some propping in the interim is the only real justifiable measure- if it is immediately necessary- but we have to humor the frauds it seems.