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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'm depressed as hell..
I read the back-and-forth about Israel/Palestine - here and everywhere - and I get more and more depressed. Not as depressed as the people in that area, of course, but...
I feel helpless. How can I support any group that commits atrocities? How can I hate any group that has suffered so many innocent casualties? Hate.... that's what it's all about, right?
Notice that I'm not naming names.
How can I root for victory in a conflict with no end in sight...ever... until either side wipes out the other?
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scipan
(2,492 posts)They're both wrong.
I personally am going with the most recent atrocities. Especially because they were so extreme.
So Israel has to respond.
But, how to keep this from being a continuing tit for tat? Maybe if Hamas is destroyed?
Israel is definitely not as barbaric as Hamas.
Otherwise, I have no answers and I am suspicious of anyone who sees this as black and white.
Calculating
(2,984 posts)There's no clear right or wrong to support with a clear conscience. I do think Israel is less bad than Hamas, but what they'll need to do to actually end this is pretty bad.
uppityperson
(115,699 posts)hunter
(38,593 posts)And there are many.
Normally our U.S.A. press pays scant attention to any of these wars, except that this is about an important god or something.
The "Holy Lands" are anything but that.
People who worship cruel and capricious gods are the cause of much suffering.
LeftInTX
(27,754 posts)There's a joke that Israel is the 51st state.
All decisions that Israel makes is perceived by the world to be the United States' decisions. i wish it wasn't that way.
I wish we could just let them deal with this themselves, because i don't approve of them killing all these civilians.
Bayard
(23,001 posts)And its same as it ever was. I don't think the resolution will be to answer one atrocity with another.
Its time to try something new.
Basic LA
(2,047 posts)You're either for the brutal occupation or against it. The rest is sophistry.
Big Blue Marble
(5,381 posts)how brutal this occupation has become before this war started.
How terrible it would be to live under the system.
Basic LA
(2,047 posts)Or they suppose it's too complicated to understand & throw up their hands to the suffering. But the tide might be turning. I remember when that happened with Vietnam. Suddenly the anti-war movement grew.
Laffy Kat
(16,459 posts)Look, I DON'T root for any side. I can't. Every day is a new heart-break. I'm avoiding the news when I can. Frankly, I think it would be odd to not feel depressed these days.
Wish I could get off the world.
lees1975
(4,552 posts)It didn't start with the Hamas attack, that was a symptom of long-term problems.
https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2023/11/some-initiative-can-end-this-tragedy.html
It's not anti-Semitic to want to stop the bombing and the killing.
ShazzieB
(17,277 posts)Amen to this. I've been commenting very little since the first week or 2 after the 10/7 attack, because the conversations were getting so heated and I didn't feel like adding to it.
I support Israel for the most part, but I'm having a hard time understanding what seems like a sort of tunnel vision on the part of the country's leaders (especially Netanyahu) when it comes to humanitarian issues. I understand feeling the need to eliminate Hamas, but I don't see why that requires completely ignoring the fact that there are civilians caught in the middle who don't deserve to be collateral damage.
As others have said, though, I realize there's nothing I can do, and I'm avoiding the news from Israel as much as I can, because helplessly watching is just too damned frustrating. In the meantime, the last thing I feel like doing is arguing about it at DU.
SharonAnn
(13,809 posts)"When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons. Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.
― Golda Meir, A Land of Our Own: An Oral Autobiography "
David__77
(23,831 posts)Big Blue Marble
(5,381 posts)Consider that it less than subtlety racist and dehumanizing who ever said.
And I might add arrogant. You are telling the people whose land you have taken to shut up
and go away with a few crumbs.
BigmanPigman
(52,128 posts)I must agree with you. I know, I know "war is Hell" but it is a Hell of our own making. People suck. It makes me want to puke...
Skittles
(155,207 posts)when people hate each other so much they pass on the hatred generation after generation, there is NO end in sight
calimary
(82,754 posts)in your own sphere of influence.
Write! A letter to the editor. Comments on a blog if you know the issue or can offer insights. Find a local activist group and get involved. The Democrats might have one. So might Indivisible! When we moved to a new state, thats what I did -find the local Indivisible group and step up. Thats where I found new friends in an area where I knew nobody.
Big Blue Marble
(5,381 posts)Really questioning what it means to be a human being. Who are we? Why are we so willing to hate,
to kill each other, to kill children. Why is this acceptable?
I have wanted to believe we are better than this. We have learned from the horrors of the past.
Watching all this play out, it is hard to keep believing we have advanced at all.
I want the killing to stop.
DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts)either side....
but I hate them BOTH for what this is doing to the Democratic party in the U.S....
Dawson Leery
(19,358 posts)Why did the squad call for de-escalation only after Hamas (anti-LGBT terrorists) struck? As to imply there is equal blame on both sides where one side are illiberal terrorists?