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Thank you Carter family for just surrounding Jimmy so that (Original Post) malaise Nov 2023 OP
Live coverage malaise Nov 2023 #1
What did they do this time? Try to talk to the poor guy? Hekate Nov 2023 #2
More than a few would've if they could've, the vultures peppertree Nov 2023 #4
The most wonderful thing that the.Carters did for me these past two days malaise Nov 2023 #6
Aww. And he did indeed try to put it in practice. peppertree Nov 2023 #9
Precisely malaise Nov 2023 #10
Thank you. Indeed, Carter was himself on the receiving end of some of that. peppertree Nov 2023 #11
Big oil as usual malaise Nov 2023 #12
True - Reagan had learned from his California days to always stay in good terms with Big Awl peppertree Nov 2023 #13
The only good news was that those panels went to Unity College in Maine, and may still be in use? Evolve Dammit Nov 2023 #15
That is good news malaise Nov 2023 #16
The veneer of civility that existed since Ronnie has been ripped off. We know who and what they are. Evolve Dammit Nov 2023 #17
Indeed malaise Nov 2023 #18
I was stationed at Plattsburgh AFB, NY during this time... SeattleVet Nov 2023 #19
Wow. Thanks for the great anecdote. peppertree Nov 2023 #26
Your post has even more meaning with the war criminal Kissinger's death malaise Nov 2023 #24
Thank you. What timing, eh? peppertree Nov 2023 #25
This should be an OP malaise Nov 2023 #27
Why, thank you. What a nice compliment. peppertree Nov 2023 #28
Back at yah malaise Nov 2023 #29
I loved the music and the quiet spaces between music and speakers. Hope22 Nov 2023 #20
I also loved the short lessons read by the great grands malaise Nov 2023 #21
That was a genuinely lovely and tender moment. calimary Nov 2023 #22
They lived its deep meaning malaise Nov 2023 #23
I didn't watch network news yesterday but some DUers were malaise Nov 2023 #8
Thank you malaise. Let's not ignore that the mfs were chasing Melania. twodogsbarking Nov 2023 #3
K&R - "The ghoulish media" could not be more apt, Malaise Bundbuster Nov 2023 #5
Read the MAGA repub comments DownriverDem Nov 2023 #6
I'll pass malaise Nov 2023 #14

peppertree

(21,604 posts)
4. More than a few would've if they could've, the vultures
Wed Nov 29, 2023, 02:22 PM
Nov 2023

A 99-year old man who can barely move - and it's "President Carter!! President Carter!! What are your feelings right now!!"

To think that just four short years ago, he was still helping build houses.

malaise

(268,726 posts)
6. The most wonderful thing that the.Carters did for me these past two days
Wed Nov 29, 2023, 03:08 PM
Nov 2023

was to include Imagine in both memorial services.
Never have I needed that anthem more.
Thank you Rosalynn.

peppertree

(21,604 posts)
9. Aww. And he did indeed try to put it in practice.
Wed Nov 29, 2023, 03:38 PM
Nov 2023

Carter was only the second president to try, in any meaningful way, to rein in the CIA from its worst abuses (the first, of course, was Kennedy).

When he took office, they were working hand-in-glove with every manner of autocrat, kleptocrat, narco and war criminal you can imagine - all in their obsession against "commienism."

It was said that most of their (then-secret) budget was spent on sheer destabilization - including, as you know, against Jamaica's Michael Manley.

Carter appointed an Admiral - instead of a "company man" - to head the agency, increased oversight, and had hundreds of the worst miscreants fired (many of whom were merely using the CIA for self-enrichment, or to settle personal scores).

Ultimately, they found ways to work around him (including, some believe, arranging the May 1979 gasoline crisis) - and the CIA returned to business as usual after he left office.

But after Iran-Contra, Crackgate and more (including, it's believed, Flight 800), many in the CIA came to understand he was right: that they had let the patients to take over the asylum - and that they had turned into a giant snake eating its own tail.

They had allowed ideological obsessions and sheer greed and ego to undermine the agency - badly. And that's what Carter sought to prevent.

The Trump regime, of course, tried to turn the CIA into Cheeto's personal attack dog - but they showed that whatever else they need to work on, they haven't forgotten the lessons of the dark pre-reform era.

peppertree

(21,604 posts)
11. Thank you. Indeed, Carter was himself on the receiving end of some of that.
Wed Nov 29, 2023, 04:20 PM
Nov 2023

To this day, if you ask most older Americans (particularly Republicans) what's the first thing that comes to mind when you mention Carter, they'll tell you this:



What people didn't know, is that Hess petroleum - which at the time owned the largest refining complex in the free world - had shut it down for two weeks for no real reason.

Nor did they know that Leon Hess was a major backer of George Bush's 1980 campaign - which he announced just days later.

That complex (in the Virgin islands), as you may know, also supplied other service station chains - leading to a chain reaction of shortage and hoarding that led to the scenes above, especially coming on Memorial Day weekend as it did.

malaise

(268,726 posts)
12. Big oil as usual
Wed Nov 29, 2023, 04:25 PM
Nov 2023

Family Bush did an awful lot of evil.
By the way I will never forgive Reagan for taking down Carter’s solar panels. He was way ahead of them.

peppertree

(21,604 posts)
13. True - Reagan had learned from his California days to always stay in good terms with Big Awl
Wed Nov 29, 2023, 04:35 PM
Nov 2023

"Energy security" What's that?

The old fool even caved to their demands that he dramatically expand "lease stockpiling" - which really set off the practice of, as the name implies, stockpiling oil exploration land leases without ever actually doing any explorin'.

And sure enough, oil output steadily declined after Reagan green-lit large-scale stockpiling - from almost 9 million barrels a day in the early 1980s (which was enough to finally pop the OPEC oil bubble), to 5 million by 2008.

I suspect somewhere in Sawbone Arabia, there's a major avenue called Ronald Reagan Way.

"We owe the old falafel so much," a Sheikh might say.

Evolve Dammit

(16,702 posts)
17. The veneer of civility that existed since Ronnie has been ripped off. We know who and what they are.
Wed Nov 29, 2023, 08:44 PM
Nov 2023

There is no longer any disguise. Our mission is to make sure they never win another election. Of course they are already claiming it will be/is/was rigged..... Just like last time and what works well for dictators. mhi:

SeattleVet

(5,477 posts)
19. I was stationed at Plattsburgh AFB, NY during this time...
Wed Nov 29, 2023, 10:03 PM
Nov 2023

we were right on Lake Champlain, and CB radio was a huge thing at the time.

We used to talk with a guy with the handle 'Bargemaster' on a regular basis. He worked on gasoline transport barges. Several times he had to return to his main station since there was no place to take the shipment of gasoline...the storage tanks were all pretty full.

If you drove around to some of the terminal areas during the colder winter months you could see the frost line on the tanks where then liquid level was, and they were definitely at least 3/4 full.

We were sort of lucky during the even/odd rationing period - it was only a 22-mile drive north to the Canadian border, where we could buy as much as we wanted on any day that we wanted. Back then the price difference wasn't a huge deal.

peppertree

(21,604 posts)
26. Wow. Thanks for the great anecdote.
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 09:55 AM
Nov 2023

Sure. The hoarding played a major role in the whole fracas - and was no doubt coordinated.

Big Awl, as you know, is utterly cartelized. And their involvement in politics has been a fixture of American life for over 100 years - certainly since their John Birch days.

I like to joke that the modern GOP is a marriage between John Birch and Jim Crow.

The only gay marriage they seem to approve of.

That said - thanks again for sharing your first-hand knowledge; nothing like seeing something first-hand. And thank you for your service.

malaise

(268,726 posts)
24. Your post has even more meaning with the war criminal Kissinger's death
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 08:18 AM
Nov 2023

He was part of the destabilization here, there and everywhere

peppertree

(21,604 posts)
25. Thank you. What timing, eh?
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 09:43 AM
Nov 2023

Last edited Thu Nov 30, 2023, 10:17 AM - Edit history (1)

Kissinger is the best thing that ever happened....to China.

A) Because he kick-started the policy of encouraging our craven CEOs to move most of our manufacturing there, as a way to distance them from the Soviets (which, alas, didn't make them a U.S. ally either);

and B) Because nobody in the last century has done more to undermine U.S. standing abroad - especially in the third world - than Kissinger. Nobody.

Kissinger became synonymous with the "ugly American" foreign policy.

The fact that he was an immigrant only underscored that perception - as it's no secret in other countries that immigrants to the U.S. often become "more Catholic than the Pope" (as the Spanish put it) in order to ingratiate themselves with those who might boost their careers.

That was always his guiding light: his career - the national interest (to say nothing of the world's!) be damned.

And now, he is.

peppertree

(21,604 posts)
28. Why, thank you. What a nice compliment.
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 10:28 AM
Nov 2023

And the same with you, malaise.

Whenever I see a 'let me make this pellucidly clear' - I know I'm about to read a great and concise recap of the latest controversy or quandary.

All the Best!

malaise

(268,726 posts)
29. Back at yah
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 10:43 AM
Nov 2023

Peppertree
I have three pepper trees in my backyard - two wiri wiri and one scotch bonnet 😀😀

Hope22

(1,796 posts)
20. I loved the music and the quiet spaces between music and speakers.
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 01:52 AM
Nov 2023

The funeral was so peaceful with kind people speaking loving words. It was very cathartic. With so much divisive discourse these days the event was really remarkable!

malaise

(268,726 posts)
21. I also loved the short lessons read by the great grands
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 06:33 AM
Nov 2023

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because Jimmy and Rosalynn actually lived them.
I agree with you 100%. It was calming in the middle of way too much madness.

calimary

(81,139 posts)
22. That was a genuinely lovely and tender moment.
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 07:37 AM
Nov 2023

I got choked up.

One of the best songs ever written.

malaise

(268,726 posts)
8. I didn't watch network news yesterday but some DUers were
Wed Nov 29, 2023, 03:09 PM
Nov 2023

upset with the ghoulish photos of Jimmy.

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