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(2,421 posts)
Sun Dec 24, 2023, 03:00 PM Dec 2023

Speculation... what would have happened if trump had admitted defeat?

Perhaps he'd be in a stronger position today. After all, the whole insurrection thing - and court cases related to it - isn't grabbing many new votes from the Undecideds (whatever that is).
The NY case could be passed off as political, like trump is doing now, but the real shitstorm could have been avoided.
trump could pose as a narrowly defeated candidate who is the answer to America's hope, instead of a bitter loser.
This fits with what I've said all along... trump would lie even if the truth could save him.

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(44,078 posts)
1. Amazing he didn't know enough to lie and hunker down as normal
Sun Dec 24, 2023, 03:08 PM
Dec 2023

but it would be so UN-Donald. And MAGA would not have followed him.


(31,496 posts)
2. I agree, I have often said that if he had just conceded like a normal American presidential candidate
Sun Dec 24, 2023, 03:08 PM
Dec 2023

He would probably be up in the polls and be enjoying a lucrative campaign. It was just about the stupidest thing he could’ve done. In fact Sean Hannity suggested that very thing to him right after January 6. Go back to Florida “watch Joe fuck up” and come back with your campaign. Sean gave him good advice. The reason he didn’t was, I think, because Putin probably told him to fight the results of the election. There was a message to that effect to Junior in the 2016 campaign from the Russians, I believe


(103,000 posts)
3. Anyone else likely would, but Trump could never admit defeat. That "loser" designation is
Sun Dec 24, 2023, 03:12 PM
Dec 2023

something that his Father (apparently) used against him his whole life.

It is his Achilles heel and will be his undoing--ultimately. I just hope the whole thing plays out without taking the rest of him with him.


(50,404 posts)
4. Narcissists can't admit defeat or failure.
Sun Dec 24, 2023, 03:13 PM
Dec 2023

They have to blame others and plead victim status.
With lots of drama.

Also they don't understand how this makes them look guilty and crazy.


(10,183 posts)
6. And forgo media attention and idolization from fans??
Sun Dec 24, 2023, 04:11 PM
Dec 2023

No way Trump was going to fade into the background gracefully and give up the attention that he thrives on.

I am a bit surprised that he attempted a full on insurrection.


(147,411 posts)
7. I suspect that TFG would not have been able to fundraise without the "Big Lie"
Sun Dec 24, 2023, 04:40 PM
Dec 2023

A ton of the fundraising done by TFG was based on the Big Lie. Without the Big lie, TFG would have raised less funs but TFG would be subject to fewer lawsuits and would not need to hire so many lawyers.


(35,524 posts)
9. "Popularity" is two things, in elections.
Sun Dec 24, 2023, 04:54 PM
Dec 2023

Support and turnout.

More than once I've supported a candidate, but, you know, I was at work at 6:30 am, it was 7:30 pm and I was finally heading home, there was a line at the polls that closed at 9:00 pm and I was hungry and needed to get ready for class next day.

I drove past.

Accepting the results might have increased support. "Hey, what? He's not 100% unreasonable? WTF?" Yeah, probably not by much.

But there's turnout. And that's largely driven by grievance. Your side's under attack--the "deep state" against Trump, the "anti-woman repubs"--that's going to be much more important. "Yeah, I'm hungry, but I'm not going to let *that* mother f**ker win!" And I'm okay with being in line until 9:15 pm.

These days, anger gets more turnout than mere "support."


(7,365 posts)
10. Admitting defeat would have taken away the safety net he needed because of his many crimes in office
Sun Dec 24, 2023, 04:55 PM
Dec 2023

He lost it anyway, and we'll see how that all pans out, but he'd never had to face the consequences for his misbehaviour in the past, so I guess he didn't see why he should do so now.


(15,625 posts)
11. His head would have imploded
Sun Dec 24, 2023, 05:11 PM
Dec 2023

Hopefully not creating a singularity which would then go on to suck in the entire planet.


(13,709 posts)
12. The Hero has to suffer a reversal of fortune.
Sun Dec 24, 2023, 06:46 PM
Dec 2023

These are cultural memes with very deep roots. Fascist political theater is frequently mistaken for simple buffoonery. Note that it is indeed buffoonery, but also it is intentionally performative and they are following classic dramatic themes.


(2,863 posts)
13. I don't have a theory of mind for Trump supporters anymore.
Mon Dec 25, 2023, 12:22 PM
Dec 2023

Part of me suspects that he would have lost support if he'd behaved normally, because his people seem to get off on his pathologies, and seem to enjoy gaslighting the rest of us. I have Trump supporter friends who flat out deny that Trump did anything improper after the 2020 election.

IMO this election is ours to lose, because I can't imagine most of the country being in support of a criminal loser who is increasingly echoing Hitler. Moreover, he's never come close to majority support before this.

What I worry about is people on the left making the perfect the enemy of the good and refusing to vote for Biden. If we get lousy turnout next election we could lose. If we get 2020 turnout, we are fine.


(2,421 posts)
15. That last sentence....
Mon Dec 25, 2023, 01:31 PM
Dec 2023

ANY group of people who stay home because Biden has done this or that... or hasn't done this or that because they are standing on "principle" is de-facto voting for fascism and anarchy.
Would that it were not so.. would that we had candidates who fulfill our Wish List entirely, but in reality-land we gotta vote for the person who comes closest to our ideal President.
And if your "closest" is trump....you can eat shit and die.


(2,863 posts)
16. You'd hope they would remember the damage of the first Trump term and be rational.
Mon Dec 25, 2023, 09:40 PM
Dec 2023

But I'm still floored that he won the first time. You could argue that it was a fluke, but it never should have happened. First catastrophe in a long list of things that never should have happened during the last 8 years.

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