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LaMouffette

(2,044 posts)
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 01:11 PM Dec 2023

A terrifying thought: If Trump is reelected, he will once again have access to our nation's top-secret documents.

If he is not held accountable for stealing all those boxes of top-secret documents at the end of his first presidency, just think what he will do once he is president again with full access and full immunity.

I think President Biden and all Congressional Dems up for reelection in 2024 need to be shouting this horrifying possibility from the rooftops.


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A terrifying thought: If Trump is reelected, he will once again have access to our nation's top-secret documents. (Original Post) LaMouffette Dec 2023 OP
And who knows how many documents would be stolen/go missing then sakabatou Dec 2023 #1
Only those which have become secrets in the last four years republianmushroom Dec 2023 #2
His handlers have already compiled a shopping list dalton99a Dec 2023 #3
I was thinking about Trump getting security clearance, gab13by13 Dec 2023 #4
Incredibly, I think a president automatically has the highest secret clearance AND the ability to override any decision LaMouffette Dec 2023 #10
Orange turd can declassify anything he wants, They say. Kid Berwyn Dec 2023 #5
Good point. Now he REALLY needs the money he could rake in from selling our secrets. LaMouffette Dec 2023 #11
No wonder he saluted the North Korean general. Kid Berwyn Dec 2023 #17
And yet he is, so far, still eligible to become president again. The only good think about the Trump presidency LaMouffette Dec 2023 #18
if that should happen lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #6
Agreed. Or, the FBI needs to plant information in the top-secret documents that, if Trump sells them, they will LaMouffette Dec 2023 #12
if he is sworn in... they will not be able to bust him for stealing them lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #15
And being closer to the end this time, he won't care louis-t Dec 2023 #7
How many confidential sources or agents did the US lose due to TFG? LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #8
It's like what George W. Bush did when they leaked CIA agent Valerie Plame's name, but 1,000 times worse LaMouffette Dec 2023 #13
I think President Biden, the doj and the military and all Congressional Dems Autumn Dec 2023 #9
I agree 1,000 percent. And they had better start screaming about it now. LaMouffette Dec 2023 #14
The time to have started screamoing about it was when Trump first left office. They knew Autumn Dec 2023 #16

sakabatou

(42,239 posts)
1. And who knows how many documents would be stolen/go missing then
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 01:13 PM
Dec 2023

Or have our service members and spies be endangered.

gab13by13

(21,606 posts)
4. I was thinking about Trump getting security clearance,
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 02:07 PM
Dec 2023

Does a president have to go through the process or does the president automatically get the highest clearance?

I thought about this because Trump's lawyer's want Jack Smith to turn over several top security documents that Smith has deemed too sensitive to be out in public. This raises a question, Trump isn't president, for him to see top secret documents in his trial, does he still have top clearance for life even after he has been caught mishandling them?

Smith should use the argument that Trump can't pass a clearance test.

LaMouffette

(2,044 posts)
10. Incredibly, I think a president automatically has the highest secret clearance AND the ability to override any decision
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 05:04 PM
Dec 2023

that certain individuals should not have a clearance, like Trump did with Jared after Jared's application for a top-secret clearance was flagged for his trying to set up a secret back-channel communication system with Russia and other foreign entanglements.

So, as a 2019 NPR article pointed out, if reelected, Trump could even grant a top-secret clearance to PUTIN! Here's part of that article:


[The granting of security clearances] is an executive branch function, and as chief executive the president has the ultimate authority.

Not only did President Trump have authority to give his son in law and adviser Kushner clearance, the president "could conceivably give Vladimir Putin a security clearance," says Mark Zaid, a Washington attorney who specializes in national security cases.

He said the president can furthermore declassify "the family jewels" — meaning secret documents — "and give them to Putin," if he wanted to.


[link:https://www.npr.org/2019/03/01/699407475/what-you-need-to-know-about-security-clearances-inside-and-outside-the-white-hou|


So, yeah. Terrifying.

Kid Berwyn

(15,239 posts)
5. Orange turd can declassify anything he wants, They say.
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 02:09 PM
Dec 2023

Lookit just some of the cool stuff US District Judge Aileen Cannon (R-Squirrelville) says Dip can keep in the obscure compartmentalized bathroom facility at Merde-di-Lardo.



Considering who Dip owes money to, it is terrifying.

LaMouffette

(2,044 posts)
11. Good point. Now he REALLY needs the money he could rake in from selling our secrets.
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 05:08 PM
Dec 2023

Add to that the money he will make by selling pardons at $100,000 a pop, and he might have enough money to hang onto Merde-a-Lago AND Trump Tower.

Kid Berwyn

(15,239 posts)
17. No wonder he saluted the North Korean general.
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 06:52 PM
Dec 2023


And no wonder Dimdonnie said: “We fell in love.” And told the little dictator, “I think your country has tremendous economic potential, unbelievable, unlimited.”



Trump did not disclose $19.8m loan while president, documents show

The loan from Daewoo, a company with ties to North Korea, should have been reported in public financial disclosures


by Maya Yang
The Guardian, December 5, 2022

Donald Trump failed to disclose a $19.8m loan from a company with historical ties to North Korea, while he was the US president, according to a new report.

Documents obtained by the New York attorney general, and reported by Forbes, on Sunday indicate a previously unreported loan owed by Trump to Daewoo, the South Korean conglomerate.

Daewoo was the only South Korean company allowed to operate a business in North Korea during the mid-1990s.

Forbes revealed that Trump’s relationship with Daewoo is at least 25 years old. At one point, Daewoo partnered with Trump on a development project near the United Nations headquarters in New York City, Trump World Tower.

Trump and Daewoo continued to do business together, including using Trump’s name on six South Korea-based properties from 1999 to 2007, according to the magazine.

Continues…

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/05/donald-trump-daewoo-loan-financial-disclosure

I hope I wouldn’t smile if I owed an evil rat $20 million smackers. Then, unlike Trump, I’m no traitor.

LaMouffette

(2,044 posts)
18. And yet he is, so far, still eligible to become president again. The only good think about the Trump presidency
Fri Dec 29, 2023, 10:52 AM
Dec 2023

is that he revealed all of the loopholes and weaknesses of our governmental systems and how easy it is for a vile POS would-be dictator to take advantage of them and get away with it. He revealed the depth of corruption of the GOP, too, including their willingness to take money from anyone, including Russia.

I can't believe Trump's ties to North Korea AND China AND Russia weren't enough to torpedo his candidacy the first time around, and here we are again, and still nothing, or not much, is made of it.

Thanks for the information, though. I missed this particular piece of corruption. So much corruption, so little time.

lapfog_1

(29,252 posts)
6. if that should happen
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 02:28 PM
Dec 2023

Biden needs to destroy any intelligence we have that might compromise sources in Russia.

Fuck it, destroy everything you can. Make Trump start from scratch as much as possible.

LaMouffette

(2,044 posts)
12. Agreed. Or, the FBI needs to plant information in the top-secret documents that, if Trump sells them, they will
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 05:10 PM
Dec 2023

know that he sold them so that they can bust him.

lapfog_1

(29,252 posts)
15. if he is sworn in... they will not be able to bust him for stealing them
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 05:19 PM
Dec 2023

he has the power to de-classify anything ( but must follow the procedure ), If anyone along the way objects, he can cause them to lose their jobs or be transferred away from the process.

not to mention the power to pardon himself of the crime of selling national secrets.

But he doesn't have to sell them.. just de-classify and depend on the corrupt dictators that want such information to "scratch his back" at a later point in time.

When you are dictator, accumulating personal wealth in a bank account is not necessary. The entire treasury is your personal bank account until you are deposed or die.

LaMouffette

(2,044 posts)
13. It's like what George W. Bush did when they leaked CIA agent Valerie Plame's name, but 1,000 times worse
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 05:13 PM
Dec 2023

because we'll never know how many agents were killed, captured, or compromised.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
9. I think President Biden, the doj and the military and all Congressional Dems
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 04:45 PM
Dec 2023

should have been screaming about that since the whisper of him having them first fucking broke.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
16. The time to have started screamoing about it was when Trump first left office. They knew
Thu Dec 28, 2023, 06:02 PM
Dec 2023

Last edited Thu Dec 28, 2023, 07:31 PM - Edit history (1)

when all those agents came up missing or were killed that he had sold out those secrets. That's the big elephant in the room that no one in power will discuss. .

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