Gazans to IDF: Hamas steals URNWA food, kills civilians who ask for aid

[TheProle]

In recorded calls released by the IDF, several Gazan civilians are heard stating how the terror group uses civilian infrastructure and aid organizations as cover for its activities.

Gazan civilians have testified to officers of the IDF's Unit 504 how Hamas murdered Gazan civilians who tried to get help from UNRWA and that Hamas terrorists steal food from US aid organizations and seize civilian properties for military use.

In one recorded call, a Gazan civilian testified that Hamas murdered his cousin because he tried to seek help from UNRWA. In another conversation, a civilian said he does not leave his home because he fears Hamas will seize it and use the property to fire toward Israel and destroy his house.

One civilian is heard on a recording saying, "When will you get rid of [Hamas]? They killed my cousin yesterday because he went to UNRWA."

"They killed him in Rafah," the civilian tells the IDF officer.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-781286

[Cha]

1. HAMAS NEEDS To Be Destroyed..

TY for this.

[nocoincidences]

2. What a surprise!

POS Hamas is stealing from Palestinians??

Stealing from the children? Hamas? Oh no that just couldn't be.

[Beastly Boy]

3. To those who are in the least bit interested: Targeting civilians is a war crime.

Where is South Africa when Palestinians need it?

[WarGamer]

4. Says JPOST... OK.

No independent reporting because they all mysteriously DIE in IDF bombings or the IDF doesn't allow them into Gaza.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

5. So basically, you're calling these people liars?

[The Magistrate]

7. I Expect He's Going A Bit Farther Than That, Sir

The root claim will prove to be that the whole thing is concocted by Mossad, the tapes faked to a script intended to discredit the bold warriors of the Palestinian Resistance, vanguard of the liberation of colonized people the world over. How can men pressing such a great cause do any wrong?


"It's all lies! Lies against my boys!"

[betsuni]

41. Conspiracy! As usual.

[WarGamer]

8. Hamas and the IDF/Netanayhu are equally capable of lying and I wouldn't trust anything from either.

If this news was from a UN NGO... like MSF maybe I'd believe it.

[The Magistrate]

11. These Are Not Credible Here Either, Sir

UN agencies in particular.

Do you, by the way, seriously expect people who need the co-operation of gunmen to do their work will expose misdeeds by the gunmen?

[malaise]

16. But Bibi's army is credible? N/t

[The Magistrate]

17. Last Year, Ma'am, the UN Passed 21 Resolutions Condemning Human Rights Violations

Two thirds were directed at Israel actions against Arab Palestinians. I will not insult you by asking if you think two thirds of the violations of human rights around the globe are inflicted on less than one thousandth of its populace.

People are often admonished to separate Hamas from innocent Palestinians, and that Hamas is a force imposing itself on the people of Gaza. It is reasonable to suppose any force imposing itself on a populace will have, or find, occasion to use force against its subjects. It is reasonable to suppose people subjected to that force object, and will complain of it so far as they are able. It is usual for men of an armed force in poor supply to commandeer their requirements: it's a fancy word with a nice ring, but of course means stealing people's food and fuel and medical supplies at gunpoint. I can see no reason to suppose these normal, 'sun rises in the east' sort of things are not in operation at the present day in Gaza, save one, and that is that the people of Gaza support Hamas overwhelmingly, and willingly give themselves over to privation and danger to keep the fighters in the field. That might be true, peoples have been recorded as doing that, however I do not state this as a fact, merely as something which, to suppose this report a lie, the person pressing that claim must suppose to be true. And so we reach the point where the snake begins nibbling its own tail, where the line that Hamas lords it over the innocents of Gaza meets the line that it's a lie to say people in Gaza resent Hamas, who must on occasion chastise them and steals from them.

[malaise]

18. All I am saying is there is evil on both sides

And the oppressed will always find ways to fight back, be they the Jews in Europe and the Middle East or the Palestinians in their own lands

[The Magistrate]

20. There's Evil Everywhere, Ma'am

The old Gnostics took it as inherent to matter itself. I don't pretend to be ranged with Good against Evil. I prefer one party over the other, for reasons which seem good to me. I do not object to violence of itself; I do object to futile violence, and the annals of human conflict record few things to rival the futility of 'Palestinian Resistance'. I suppose some people see its persistence as some triumph of human spirit. I see it as stupid and self-destructive. It reminds me of a junkie, only the drug is omnipotent fantasies of restorative vengeance coupled with suicidal ideation.

[Beetwasher.]

47. Well Said, Sir! I Too Believe The Palestinian People Should Resist Their Oppressors

Which would be Hamas. But like so many abuse victims, they instead identify with their abuser, and aim their ire at the abuser's enemy instead.

[EX500rider]

36. And a lovely way of fighting back they have, right

Murdering babies and raping and then killing women, bunch of great oppressed revolutionary spirits, regular Paul Revere's they are.

[Beetwasher.]

48. Yup, Somehow The Ukranians Resist

Without terrorist attacks on Russian civilians and the mass, brutal, personal slaughter of innocents.

[The Magistrate]

54. And It Would Be Easily Done, Sir

Previous incursions over the border met scant resistance. It wouldn't be difficult at all to massacre a town and scoot back to reasonable safety. Even the neo-Nazi 'Russian resistance' body that crossed the border in arms refrained from such actions.

[egduj]

52. I do respect the fact that you outright said "both sides" are evil....

Instead of hiding it behind some cryptic doublespeak.

[Happy Hoosier]

24. I think equating Hamas and IDF is not honest.

It's reasonable to want some other confirmation, but they are not equal in any sense, and I think it's not honest to suggest they are. One of these groups weaponized rape.

[Mountainguy]

19. (((Them)))

To be precise.

[PufPuf23]

44. If IDF wasn't active in propaganda, they would not be military.

You know this.

I am an American citizen and don't expect (nor want) to hear the full truth.

Recall how Powell lied to the UN to go to Iraq. Showed mobile Iraqi chemical factories. We were shown schematics of Bin Laden's non-existing mountain fortress too. Recall how we were lied to about Vietnam and how Nixon became POTUS by sabotaging the peace talks?

Of course, Hamas tells lies and made a blind, hideous attack.

POTUS Biden is doing his best to keep the War from expanding.

[Beastly Boy]

13. What, did you expect Al Jazeera to report on this?

[WarGamer]

31. I've found AJ to be utterly credible... especially re: Ukraine War

Re: Gaza... their reporting might be Palestinian "centric"... but I've seen no evidence of it being inaccurate.

[Beastly Boy]

39. So credible that they would not comment

On the IDF story complete with photographic evidence, even though they never fail to report when the same Gaza reporters embedded with Hamas are killed or injured in a war zone?

That’s not exactly credible, is it?

[The Magistrate]

40. They Lie By Omission, Sir

They present each outrage du jour as if were occurring in a vacuum, an eternal present in which acts have neither antecedents nor consequences. The bombs just fall from the sky, only not on the just and unjust alike, but on the just alone, and who can say why? Except that it's surely criminal and nothing more than, let's be blunt here, the eternal villainy of Jews on display.


"People who tell lies know what the truth is. People who tell half-lies forget where they put it."

[betsuni]

43. Beautiful.

[mcar]

30. You mean the "independent reporters" who laughed and cheered

as they traveled with Hamas murderers on Oct. 7?

[Arazi]

35. Yup. Journalist is often a cover for Hamas member in Gaza

https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-781327

[Arazi]

51. Here's a Reuters "reporter" exultant about the 10/7 massacre

I wonder if he’s alive or if he’s been counted as one of the dead “journalists” killed so far (hint: this guy is not a journalist despite ostensibly working for Reuters - he’s on tape rejoicing and encouraging more Gazans to go over the border and participate in the terrorism)

Link to tweet

?s=46

[mcar]

53. Yeah, he's a journalist just like all the Russia Today

Pravda, etc "journalists" are.

[yardwork]

6. Not surprising; basically already known.

[mcar]

9. But, but, I read right on this board

that Israel was deliberately starving Palestinians as retribution for Oct. 7.

[SoFlaBro]

10. "No way, the IDF and Israeli journalists all lie. Hamas is good and good for Palestine" - Hamas apologists :rolleyes:

[TheKentuckian]

12. The Hamas superfriends like Hamas, don't give a flying fuck

about Gazans. Not the people anyway, only "The Cause" and they will spend every last drop of Gazan blood if it gets to the only real aims...

DEATH TO ISRAEL!

DEATH TO THE JEWS!

DEATH TO AMERICA!

DEATH TO THE WEST!

[Johnny2X2X]

14. Hamas sees respect for life as a weakness

People wonder why Hamas seems indifferent, it's because they are indifferent, and they see the rest of the world's caring about innocent civilians as a weakness to be exploited.

They didn't release women and children hostages because they value those lives, they released them because they don't value their lives.

[LeftInTX]

45. They live by the Iranian Revolutionary code: "Any death is a win for us."

Civilian deaths glorify our cause.

I hope Hamas shows up at the International Criminal Court case.
I doubt that they will.

----

I saw the video where Hamas shot a kid trying to get supplies from a truck.

[malaise]

15. Ha

That is all

[tritsofme]

28. Oh...do you find it funny that Hamas steals aid?

[Mountainguy]

21. Wow, literally defend8ng Hamas in this thread

When presented with an article about civilians dying in an IDF action, always from a Gazan authority (Hamas) the reactions are "war crimes" and "pure evil".

When presented an article about Hamas killing Palestinians the response from the same people is "IDF is lying". Literally defending Hamas as if they'd never do those things.

I'll assume this post will be alerted, but I'm not going to let clear antisemitism just slide by.

[obamanut2012]

22. No one is defending Hamas in this thread

[Mountainguy]

23. Yes they are

Article:
"Hamas is killing civilians in Gaza."

Response:
"These are IDF lies!",


What would you call it?

[mcar]

32. They absolutely are

[sheshe2]

34. Yes they are. nt

[betsuni]

55. Yes they are.

[ripcord]

25. This isn't even news, Hamas has been doing this for over 20 years

[JustAnotherGen]

26. Lot of US Aid and UN Aid

Went to Hamas . . . and yet the Gazans are in an 'open air prison' because of Israel. .

I'll give Hamas one thing -they are better than Goebbels at propaganda. They have straight up convinced the world that Israel is holding the people in Gaza back.

[Sympthsical]

27. It's not that they're particularly good at propoganda

It's just that a certain ideological system is built in such a way that its adherents are extremely gullible and susceptible to any story, true or not, that reinforces the ideology.

Hamas are the oppressed. What they do wrong cannot be acknowledge outside of occasionally muttering. (And if anyone replies, "No one's saying Hamas are the oppressed," I advise to look upthread).

So attempts to reconcile "Hamas (the oppressed) commits evil against the Palestinians (also the oppressed)" will literally short-circuit the ideological wiring. There has to be an oppressor for it to work, and the oppressed can't be the oppressor in this system of thought.

The easiest resolution is to just pretend it doesn't exist at all.

Which seems to be the most common approach. Just don't talk about it. If you don't talk about it, you don't have to think about it. And if you don't have to think about it, you don't have to realize just how jarringly stupid the entire ideology is.

[JustAnotherGen]

29. Well written

[betsuni]

38. Yes!

[The Magistrate]

46. Well Said, Sir

[Beetwasher.]

49. Indeed

It can't be admitted that the actual oppressors of the "Palestinian's" are actually Hamas. Because, well, I guess you can't blame the Jews if you admit that.

[The Magistrate]

42. To Be Fair, Sir

It helps that the target of their propagandas, the Jew, has been the designated scapegoat of Christendom and Islam for millennia. Most of their work has been done for them, they have only to trigger near-reflexive responses already prepared in their audience. I doubt they could make much headway if their enemy were Australians, or Frenchmen.

[Beetwasher.]

50. Indeed, This is Always Lost in the Shuffle

One can't admit that the real oppressor's of the "Palestinian's" are Hamas, because, well, then how could you blame the Jews?

[TheProle]

33. It's timely verification and, given the recency of the evidence presented, it's news.

[betsuni]

37. K&R