Rabid GOP Warmongers calling for direct strikes on Iran...

[WarGamer]

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McConnell, Graham and Cornyn so far... hopefully Biden ignores the Hawks.

Former UN Weapons inspector David Albright warns the US that a direct strike on Iran could provoke a nuclear strike...

https://www.axios.com/2024/01/28/gop-biden-iran-soldier-deaths

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[2naSalit]

1. The usual suspects.

[WarGamer]

2. I''m sure that Sean Hannity is pumping his fist in the air singing Lee Greenwood.

[2naSalit]

6. No doubt.

[DemocraticPatriot]

3. Did they check with Donald Trump first ??

He prides himself on 'not starting another war',
but their noise on this issue would seem to contradict that position....

[IcyPeas]

4. And will they send their sons and daughters to the front lines?

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

5. Biden's already promised retaliation. Whether that's direct on Iran or not I don't know

3 US troops killed by Iranian-backed drone strike in Jordan, Biden vows retaliation

Iranian-backed militants killed three American service members and wounded more than two dozen others in a drone attack in Jordan on Sunday, U.S. officials said, with President Joe Biden warning that the strike will be met with American retaliation.

The deaths are expected to spur more U.S. involvement in the region since they mark the first in the line of fire for American troops since the start of the Israel-Hamas war in October in response to Hamas' terror attack.

The U.S. has supported Israel against Hamas in Gaza while trying to prevent the fighting from enveloping the broader Middle East -- even as Iranian-backed militants have carried out a series of strikes in Iraq, Syria and Yemen in opposition to Israel's campaign.
But Pentagon officials have also said that the deaths of American service members would elicit a strong response -- though such a step could draw the U.S. and other regional and international powers further into a mushrooming conflict.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/3-us-troops-killed-by-iranian-backed-drone-strike-in-jordan-biden-says/ar-BB1ho2lh

Biden says US 'shall respond' after drone strike by Iran-backed group kills 3 US troops in Jordan

COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — President Joe Biden said Sunday that the U.S. “shall respond” after three American troops were killed and dozens more were injured in an overnight drone strike in northeast Jordan near the Syrian border. Biden blamed Iran-backed militias for the first U.S. fatalities after months of strikes by such groups against American forces across the Middle East since the start of the Israel-Hamas war.

Biden, who was traveling in South Carolina, asked for a moment of silence during an appearance at a Baptist church's banquet hall.

“We had a tough day last night in the Middle East. We lost three brave souls in an attack on one of our bases," he said. After the moment of silence, Biden added, “and we shall respond.”

With an increasing risk of military escalation in the region, U.S. officials were working to conclusively identify the precise group responsible for the attack, but they have assessed that one of several Iranian-backed groups was behind it.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-three-americans-killed-many-164752549.html

[moondust]

7. Proceed with caution.

Since Dumpy the Clown foolishly withdrew from the JCPOA Iran has been enriching uranium and helping Russia.

[sakabatou]

8. I sure some are betting on WW3

[Mountainguy]

9. Direct attacks on Iran should be on the table.

We certainly shouldn't show that they have some kind of immunity to attack us freely.

[WarGamer]

10. An attack on Iran for support for insurgent groups around the area??

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Then you must support Russian strikes on US soil for arming Ukraine, right?

I suggest a visit to the Doomsday Clock website...

The Planet is the CLOSEST to Doomsday that it's ever been... closer today than the Cuban Missile Crisis.

May cooler heads prevail.

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[Mountainguy]

11. Oh no!

Not the doomsday clock!

The reason we can support Ukraine openly is because we know Russia isn't capable of making us stop.

And if Iran is supplying terrorist to attack us, we need to let Iran know what happens when you fuck around.

[The Magistrate]

15. 'Support' Is The Wrong Word, Sir

You are using 'support for' when 'within its rights' would be a much better fit.


From the Russian point of view, I could see arguments for attacking US interests as a means of dissuading the US from arming an enemy at war with Russia. I don't think it would be wise, but it is hardly unheard of in the annals of human conflict that a belligerent's suppliers are subjected to interference with their ability to continue doing so. I expect you can call to mind one or two examples....

Given the actual involvement of Iran in attacks on US forces, attacks which have no claim to being response to any particular action undertaken against Iran by the forces attacked, the United States would certainly be within its right to respond directly against Iran. Given that Iran is serving as paymaster and arms supplier to a variety of armed bodies engaged in piracy and other hostile acts, in support of war levied by a client of Iran against an ally of the United States, certainly an argument can be made for demonstrating Iran would be unwise to continue doing as it does now. This does not mean that argument would carry the day, but its rejection, if it were rejected, ought not be based on emotive appeals of duckspeak character, but on some pragmatic analysis of what is risked by such a demonstration, as against what might be gained by it. It is best, when violence is to be done, that it be directed by cool heads.

[Poiuyt]

36. Isn't Nikki Haley a war hawk also?

Sorry - I meant to respond to the original thread

[Happy Hoosier]

16. Those cases are not even close to equivalent....

... Russia invaded Ukraine, a sovereeign nation, which is defending itself.

Iran is funding and arming groups that are directly attacking the US. Last I checked, Iran is not at war with anyone.

Though sure, if Russia is fucking suicidal, they could directly attack the US. That's a "flip the board" move and Putin knows it.

Iran should be warned that if it continues supporting attackes on international shipping and direct attacks on US forces by its proxies, that the can respond, including targets on Iranian soil.

You say "may cooler heads prevail." I'm all ears. What SHOULD the response be to Iranian proxies killing US troops?

[WarGamer]

17. Then attack the proxies.

Lunatics like Cornyn and McConnell are saying attack IRAN... specifically TEHRAN.

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[MarineCombatEngineer]

18. I agree with you.

Unless Iran launches an attack directly with their own military upon US forces, then no attack directly upon Iranian territory, then go after their proxies and hammer them mercilessly until they no longer have the capability to launch their terrorist attacks.

[The Magistrate]

19. Why Strike The Limbs If You Can Strike The Head, Sir?

Whether doing so here is sound or otherwise, the suggestion doing so be done is hardly lunacy.

[Mad_Machine76]

22. The "head" is harder to strike

Plus, we're on their turf out in the ME and easier for them to retaliate against our troops there.

[The Magistrate]

23. Certainly Something To Consider, Sir

If we can overcome their aerial defenses, a 'proportionate' strike would tip our hand. If we can't, it would be unpleasant to find out suddenly.

[ripcord]

35. I can't see how supporting a country that was attacked without provocation

Can be equated to supporting terrorists, but I guess you can.

[Lancero]

12. Hell, we've been bombing Yemen for the past month due to supporting terrorist groups.

We've already set that table. Yemen backed terrorists attacked us, we responded with military force.

I suppose that OP considers the man who authorized those strikes to be a war monger too. Assuming, of course, that they're holding to the same standard rather than applying a double-standard.

[WarGamer]

14. We're talking about direct strikes on Iran... read above

No (or fewer) issues with hitting their affiliates.

[DFW]

13. The best way to attack Iran

That would be to provide covert support to their rather large dissident movement. The best way to damage Iranian dissidents would be to attack Iranian territory directly, which might be the only way to silence their internal opposition to the religious and political repression.

I remember way back in college in the early 1970s, the Iranian Students Association was a large, well-organized group on campus, hugely opposed to the Shah's repression of dissent. I can only imagine how many of them ended up before a firing squad six years later, when their revolution turned out to cherish freedom a lot less than the dictator they overthrew.

The only thing that I would even imagine would be on the table in the White House situation room would be the factory that is manufacturing the drones being used by Putin and the Houthis. However, if we have the intelligence to locate that, we should have the intelligence to locate and destroy them where they are stored, once they get shipped to Russia and Yemen. I'm sure that would deliver the message just as effectively without Iran being able to go before the UN and show evidence of American "aggression" against their sovereign territory.

My ex-pat Iranian friend here in Germany still contends that despite the supposed embargo, Iran is still freely trading with all nations (under third-country names, of course) except Israel. He says they need the money desperately, and are not seriously hindered by treaties or embargoes.

[TheKentuckian]

20. I really don't give a shit if Iran cries to the UN

It is meaningless and should have zero impact on our considerations.

If they are desperate for money then start there. Destroy each and every port, airport, plane, launch pad, and sea going vessel to start and escalate as needed from there.

Time to tighten the noose in real time because sanctions and diplomacy are all but worthless here.
They clearly have extra resources still, dry that up and drive better choices.

[The Magistrate]

21. That's Pretty Much Outright War, Sir

Hard to escalate from 'Destroy each and every port, airport, plane, launch pad, and sea going vessel....'

[TheKentuckian]

26. It just takes adjusting the targets.

Next, the state offices and palace.

Then manufacturing capacity.

Then hammer the internal infrastructure.

That isn't the end of the line.

War is not overly a consideration other than semantically as it was already started with strikes on our crafts and now the killing and injuries to our people.
Now is better than later, while their capacity to launch nukes is minimal or possibly still nonexistent.

McCain was right, I was wrong. We should have taken firm action a decade ago.

I mean for a wrap to be put on this terrorist activity and that means going to the roots rather than playing the little Dutch Boy trying to prune branches forever and ever.

[The Magistrate]

27. Hoe---Kay...

[Amishman]

24. Give a few tomahawks to Ukraine and let them hit Iran

Preferably facilities used to manufacture weapons that are being supplied to Russia. Much of Iran is in tomahawk range from Ukraine.

Help Ukraine while sending a message to Iran, all with a fig leaf of it technically not being a direct strike by us.

[Chuuku Davis]

28. Knock out their oil and refinery systems.

[Midnight Writer]

29. I'll trust Joe Biden's judgement on this.

At least, more than I would trust any Republican's judgement.

They have already brazenly put their political desires ahead of our country's interests.

They will sabotage our nation to gain power, and they know no limits.

[Xolodno]

30. Never ceases to amaze me how many war mongers we have on DU...

...None of them realize by hitting them militarily is exactly what they want. It actually confirms what they say about us.

[WarGamer]

31. I'm old enough to remember when Democrats were against being the Global Police Force.

I wasn't here in 2003... were DU'ers pumping their fists over Shrubs Shock and Awe?

[TheKentuckian]

33. Not I. Iraq did not strike us nor was it even plausible

that they posed any mushroom cloud threat so I was in the streets protesting getting called all kinds of vile shit even from most Democrats.

You don't get 90% approval without a whole lot of Democrats.

It was a lie. This is not.

The circumstances are not close to being analogous.

[TheKentuckian]

32. I don't care what they have to say, why do you?

Why in the world is the answer in certain corners anyway to terrorism to bow down to it and grant it impunity?

[Xolodno]

34. As some one who has traveled a bit...

...I can guarantee you, we are not getting any good will by dropping bombs. Shoot first and ask questions later isn't a winning proposition. China and Russia are getting more influence around the world because its our way or the bomb way ultimatum. We aren't considering other options.

[ripcord]

37. We need to refer Iran to the ICJ

They are the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world and should be called out.

[former9thward]

38. The U.S. is not a member of the ICJ.

We can't refer anyone to it.

[ripcord]

39. I'm sure if we asked someone else to do it real nice....