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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRon Johnson, "Putin will not lose. He's not gonna lose."
In the same interview, the GOP senator the former chairman of the Senate Homeland Security Committee criticized U.S. sanctions before concluding, A lot of the points that Vladimir Putin made are accurate. Theyre obvious.
On Capitol Hill, Johnson pushed a similar line. Politico reported:
Ukraine opponents met late Monday evening and came out resolving to delay the bill as long as they can, even if it requires holding the Senate floor overnight. Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) said they will use as much time as we can on the Senate floor. Were not helping Ukraine at this point in time. Were fueling a bloody stalemate. It makes no sense, Johnson said after the meeting.Its a position rooted in the idea that the United States would go a long way toward helping Ukraine if we curtailed aid and made it easier for Russia to win faster.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/ron-johnson-rejects-ukraine-aid-says-putins-points-are-accurate-rcna138557
Can Ron Johnson be anymore of a Putin ass kisser? Russia has been getting its ass kicked and
will continue to be beaten as long as the Putin Caucus aka the Free Dumb Caucus and pro Putin
Republicans in the senate dont block Americas support of our alley the brave people of the Ukraine.
Historic NY
(37,453 posts)Botany
(70,581 posts)This was done after meeting with Russians @ the convention. The Steele Dossier was right Trump
is owned by Russia and so are a # of Republicans too.
https://www.npr.org/2017/12/04/568310790/2016-rnc-delegate-trump-directed-change-to-party-platform-on-ukraine-support
Where was the coverage of that but we did have 24/7 coverage of HRCs email server.
Btw Russ Feingold was @ >95% chance of winning but Russia was very busy in WI in
2016. Republicans are in many cases are Russian allies and so is Fox News.
Captain Zero
(6,823 posts)Any doubt he will surrender it here too?
Nope. No doubt he will.
JohnSJ
(92,395 posts)and the party that supported the insurrection and destruction of our democracy is the evil party, the republicans
Stuckinthebush
(10,847 posts)I'm glad the French didn't have that attitude back in the day.
Ron Johnson is a Putin stooge. Putz.
Squaredeal
(399 posts)Oh, wait, my mistake. Hitler lost, didnt he?
lastlib
(23,286 posts)(I can't bear to waste good capital letters on these piles-of-crap.) Russia-ron needs to just self-deport to Moscow. Can we apply for Russian citizenship for him?
William Seger
(10,779 posts)lastlib
(23,286 posts)Thanks for thinking of it!
JohnSJ
(92,395 posts)with musk.
Blue Owl
(50,498 posts)Botany
(70,581 posts)Russ Feingold was @ >90% chance of winning in 2016. Btw McConnell was and still is aware of
Russian hackings of our elections and has blocked any investigations and or corrective measures
to the system. Btw in 2016 HRC won Wisconsin according to exit polls.
triron
(22,020 posts)Traildogbob
(8,798 posts)soldierant
(6,921 posts)isn't that English for Ivanovitch? (I apologize, my Cyrillic is terrible, so i just used more ot less phonetic English.)
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)He stands firmly with tfg, Putin and Russia and against America.
Mickju
(1,805 posts)Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)They're killing babies. They're raping women before torturing and killing them. Overall, they are committing war crimes with impunity.
And people like Ron Johnson legitimize and encourage Putin to do more. Johnson is a monster. Like Putin.
bluestarone
(17,030 posts)Aren't hiding it anymore. This rethuglicon party has shown us their true colors for sure. We are also witnessing that 1/3 of our country is falling behind these HITLER CULTISTS.
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts)republianmushroom
(13,677 posts)They do crawl out of the wood work, when the lights dims.
Irish_Dem
(47,390 posts)Putin has puppets installed throughout the US government.
There is no other word for this asshole.
dchill
(38,532 posts)Yes, Ron. Yes, you are. Right there on the Senate floor. What a confession.
Emrys
(7,257 posts)they need to look at what Russia has done, is doing and will do to people and territories it manages to overrun.
It's no less bloody.
sinkingfeeling
(51,473 posts)marches on the Baltics Poland, and then all of western Europe?
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)He'll take territory from any former SSR that is NOT in NATO, even potentially annex Belurus, but Russia will not invade the Baltics or Poland.
sinkingfeeling
(51,473 posts)Latvia has much to fear from Putin's expansionist project known as Russkiy mir, or Russian world, which envisions all former Soviet territories as part of a greater Russian nation destined to be reunited under a common church, leader, and language.Mar 21, 2023
https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/03/21/latvia-is-going-on-offense-against-russian-culture/#:~:text='%E2%80%9D%20Latvia%20has%20much%20to%20fear,church%2C%20leader%2C%20and%20language.
Poland and Lithuania say they fear provocations from Russia and Belarus at NATOs eastern flank
https://apnews.com/article/poland-belarus-lithuania-wagner-7743d53fd33b43a90d07e777fe4e17f9
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)I just don't believe Putin's got the appetite for a direct confrontation with NATO and Section 5. Yes, I suppose that changes if * wins in November.
Easier pickings in Georgia or Moldova, and the aforementioned Belarus.
PortTack
(32,793 posts)Weaponry and trained soldiers. They remember post WWII and are having none of it!
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AdamGG
(1,294 posts)Traildogbob
(8,798 posts)And Rand Paul have sleepovers listening to audio tapes of Hitler speeches while watching Pooty bare chested and bare back on a Stallion?
And siting in Russian cash.
orangecrush
(19,617 posts)I hope they are being put under a microscope.
oldinmtdem92
(47 posts)congress critters seem to be more concerned with donations than anything else .but the republicans are on the edge of self destruction .they have no platform they are toast.
Aaeia
(61 posts)Americans have NO IDEA how this morass of political ineptitude puts a chill into each & every ally of your country. You are proving that you're unreliable and self serving regardless of all the good intentions I read in DU. As of this moment, I have never been more concerned & pessimistic about the Wests' survival in light of the current American atmosphere and Putin's inroads into American politics. Gods help us all if the Democrats don't win this upcoming election.
Botany
(70,581 posts)Russias cyberwar on America is unceasing. See Fox News and QAnon.
yardwork
(61,703 posts)Oneironaut
(5,524 posts)At the moment, the US is the worlds crazy, tweaker uncle who becomes sober for 4 years and then falls off the wagon again.
Midnight Writer
(21,795 posts)who weren't tough enough on the threat from The Evil Empire?
Letting Putin take Ukraine is appeasement at its worst. A Russia reinvigorated with foreign conquest is destabilizing for the whole world.
gab13by13
(21,403 posts)she usually has Malcolm Nance on Wednesdays. Malcolm Nance fought for Ukraine and he says that Ukraine will win the war.
William Seger
(10,779 posts)In the meantime, Russia's military resources are being decimated for a fraction of our defense budget. They're not likely to be invading any other countries when they're busy in Ukraine fighting a war they can't win unless the West gives up.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,789 posts)Plain and simple where his loyalties lie.
Wild blueberry
(6,655 posts)He's never answered that.
brush
(53,859 posts)Concentrate fire on trump puppet Speaker Johnson. Hope Minority Leader Jeffries can maneuver a floor vote with a discharge petition.
dlk
(11,576 posts)When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,192 posts)Vote this asshole out!
LakeArenal
(28,845 posts)Not only the Russian hacking, the influx of mass dollars from Kochs buying WIRepublican nationalists, John Birchers, Posse Comitatus, then the extreme gerrymandering has put them in almost complete power. In the districts. But .state wide and Federal elections we trend Blue.
orleans
(34,073 posts)then i googled...
he won't be losing for a long time
https://www.senate.gov/senators/Class_III.htm
Oneironaut
(5,524 posts)Not saying this for any particular reason. Just wondering if anyone remembers them?
Interesting story, am I right?
Roy Rolling
(6,933 posts)MOMFUDSKI
(5,638 posts)been a humdinger! One more traitor added to the pile.
Texin
(2,597 posts)sop
(10,246 posts)Everything Democrats (and the majority of Republicans before they fell under Trump's spell) historically supported, they're against.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)back in the mid-90s with Newt's "contract on America" and the tea party asshats.
I can't be the only person to wonder why Newt retired, but is still the right-wing media's go-to interview megaphone when they have a bee in their bonnet. 🤔
I wonder how much Newt is raking in from Pootie every year. Apparently enough that he didn't want any Congressional oversight into his finances anymore.
Justice matters.
(6,941 posts)No matter what they say and want.
Trailrider1951
(3,414 posts)1. Pooty's purse: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
2. Nearby sixth floor windows.
pansypoo53219
(20,995 posts)also stupid as shit.
Botany
(70,581 posts)Russ Feingold was @ > 90% chance of winning in 2016. Johnson is well aware that he had Russian
help in 2016 and probably Russian help in 2022 via the planting of disinformation and the use of
right wing media. Btw Wisconsin although it has some wonderful people and liberal areas but it has
lots of gun owning red necks too. Btw I own some guns, ..for hunting . fish, camp, and like to,
cook brats too.
There was a time when this last comment about Russia and Putin will win in Ukraine would have
ended a career but not any more look @ Ohios J.D. Vance.
pansypoo53219
(20,995 posts)Bluethroughu
(5,186 posts)DOJ???
The GOP is giving aid and comfort to our adversaries.
The Seditious Conspiracy marches on...
Kid Berwyn
(14,954 posts)Is the money that good, Ron?
usaf-vet
(6,207 posts)These GOPrussians supporters and their delusional orange man are willing to sell out our country and our allies.
What happens when russia decides it wants Alaska back as a forward base? To Invade the USA?
What side will the GOPrussians be on?
Will they hope NATO will step up then?
Will they then commit US troops to defend our borders against the invaders?
How do these actions and statements from GOPrussians not fall under the insurrection act?
At least to the extent of being willing to give aid and comfort to the enemy.
I can't believe it has come to this and mainly from traitors who have never served in the military.
Oneironaut
(5,524 posts)Especially American troops. How can Pooties propaganda ever be effective in the US if he doesnt have Putinista butt barnacles parroting Russian propaganda!?
usaf-vet
(6,207 posts)dalton99a
(81,570 posts)ShazzieB
(16,513 posts)I always thought they were just catering to TSF. We know he luuuuuuuvs him some Pootie, and GOP politicians will do anything Trump wants. And Trump is obviously rooting for Putin to take over Ukraine.
I suppose there could be payoffs as well, but I find it hard to believe that Trump ass kissing isn't at least a big part of the picture.
Turbineguy
(37,365 posts)I love the harm you do to the U.S. Keep it up!
Your Friend,
Vlad"
William Seger
(10,779 posts)... Putin wants to Make America Great Again? A: MAGA stupid!
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,414 posts)LakeArenal
(28,845 posts)maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)It's very difficult to imagine Ukraine succeeding in taking back the east side of the Dnipro, let alone Crimea.
It's also very difficult to imagine Russia completely conquering Ukraine and installing a vassal government.
Russia is not going away. They are not out of arms (thanks, NK & Iran), will refresh their troop numbers in any way necessary, and Putin is in power until his death. Ukraine, OTOH, is running low on arms & troops. Its cities are under constant barrages. The eastern front is a meat grinder.
Johnson is a symptom of the disease infecting the entire GQP. It's hard to imagine the Republicans allowing any Ukraine aid package to pass until after a Biden victory. If * wins, they'll never get another dime. Europe alone can't prop them up.
Increasingly, it looks to me that ceding territory will be the cost of peace - and Ukraine's future security.
Emrys
(7,257 posts)"ceding territory will be the cost of peace - and Ukraine's future security"
Ceding territory will only encourage Putin and his fellow travellers. It will not buy peace of any description. Look to very recent history for the proof of that.
Why do you think he's so keen on gaining that territory? It harbours rich resources that can be used to prop up Russia's economy and enable it to rearm in grand fashion.
As for "Ukraine''s future security", nowhere in Europe, including Ukraine, will be secure with Putin able to brag to his subjects about Russia's victory over the Western alliance, and that's how he and his media - and the yellow press in the West - will portray any concessions, and exploit it to fuel his next adventure westward.
As long as Ukrainians have an appetite for the fight, we owe it to them not to armchair quarterback, capitulate on their behalf and dismiss their efforts so glibly.
Ukraine was written off as a hopeless cause not worthy of support from the moment Putin launched his invasion. They've earned better than that cheap pat verdict.
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)It matters not if I armchair quarterback. I have zero power to shorten or prolong the carnage. I'm trying to imagine the outcome without being overly optimistic. Last summer was sobering, as is the intransigence of the GQP house to provide more aid.
Putin will spin any outcome to his advantage. That's a given.
Emrys
(7,257 posts)as if they were describing plays on a sports field by focusing solely on the goal line and ignoring what's developing on the rest of the arena.
Take a look a Crimea and its surrounding waters. Absorb the progressive deliberate and painstaking attrition of Russian air defences and leadership and support resources, the vulnerability of the Kerch bridge and the ongoing near daily toll on Russian sea power - not insignificant as many of those platforms can be used to launch missile attacks on Ukrainian civilian targets. Tell me the situation there looks like a stalemate, and I'll just have to respond, "That judgement may not age well."
As it is, whatever our regrets about the toll in human lives - and the environment - and believe me I have plenty, every doom-laden verdict any of us express on the outcome plays into Putin's hands and joins the chorus from some compromised US Republicans and their glib fellow travellers to the tune that America is just pouring good money after bad (never mind the fact that most of that money is bolstering US industries), and capitulation had better come sooner rather than later.
Capitulation may feel different for Americans than it does for those of us in Europe, closer to the front lines. We've already been there in the First and Second World Wars.
It's no surprise that the Russian botnets on social media are singing from the same songsheet. Let's not join in.
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)Never express a sobering opinion lest it aid Russia. Good vibes only. Sunny optimism.
Emrys
(7,257 posts)There's a difference between "Good vibes only. Sunny optimism." and wishing that a people who've been doing their damnedest to fend off a bloodthirsty adversary and are currently being left to hang after being given treaty assurances about their continuing national security when they disarmed at our behest and with our encouragement should not have to just give up, take whatever's coming and wait for Putin's next move after that. And the next one.
But if you feel happier spreading Putin-serving lines when doing so can have no positive effect whatsoever for anyone except him, or perhaps you by making you feel like you're being somehow more "sophisticated" and "sober", good luck with that, I guess.
Qutzupalotl
(14,327 posts)And by the way Russia considers itself at war with the U.S., and says so on their state-run media.
PortTack
(32,793 posts)They got quite a bit of territory out of it, too.
eShirl
(18,503 posts)He gave his heart to Pootie-poot.
Evolve Dammit
(16,763 posts)Botany
(70,581 posts)
.. back into the Senate in 2016 and that he got lots of Russian money via the NRA in 16 too
but I think Putin has pictures of him with farm animals
goat 🐐 fucker?
. or underage boys
and or girls
Evolve Dammit
(16,763 posts)cilla4progress
(24,766 posts)...
The Wizard
(12,547 posts)Russian propaganda for years. Is Putin sending dollars or rubles to Johnson's off shore money laundry account?
Blue Idaho
(5,057 posts)Speaks up.
NotHardly
(1,062 posts)Martin68
(22,877 posts)czarjak
(11,289 posts)2SPARE2
Warpy
(111,339 posts)because that's exactly what Putin has said in several of his speeches.
Ronnypoo needs to go live in Russia for a while.
ThoughtCriminal
(14,049 posts)and with it, their military. We just have to keep Ukraine in the war.
Bristlecone
(10,133 posts)How he remains in office is mind boggling.