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ThoughtCriminal

(14,351 posts)
Mon Feb 19, 2024, 03:06 PM Feb 2024

In 1940-41, Hollywood made Anti-Nazi Movies

They shined a spotlight on Nazi brutality and racism.

Some are forgotten, but films like "Casablanca" and "The Great Dictator" are among the greatest films of the era.

Where are the movies about the Russian invasion of Ukraine (outside of Europe)? Where are the parodies of MAGA extremism (outside of late-night TV)?

For all the right-wing hysteria about "Hollywood Liberals", it seems like the industry afraid of offending someone. It's not like there aren't some compelling stories to tell.

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In 1940-41, Hollywood made Anti-Nazi Movies (Original Post) ThoughtCriminal Feb 2024 OP
It often takes several years to get films off the ground now ITAL Feb 2024 #1
So "woke" has been around for awhile, eh. twodogsbarking Feb 2024 #2
Longer than just World War II - but white people didn't know it. soldierant Feb 2024 #9
Indeed. twodogsbarking Feb 2024 #10
Except for Warner Brothers, the major studios had to be dragged kicking and screaming Fiendish Thingy Feb 2024 #3
UA, Fox and MGM also made anti-Nazi films ThoughtCriminal Feb 2024 #4
The Mortal Storm JustAnotherGen Feb 2024 #5
WB was making anti-fascist and anti-Nazi movies in the 30's Fiendish Thingy Feb 2024 #8
To Be or Not to Be MurrayDelph Feb 2024 #12
You Nazty Spy! MurrayDelph Feb 2024 #13
Like this one ... ificandream Feb 2024 #6
Hollywood looked the other way for years so that they could keep the German market. It wasn't until themaguffin Feb 2024 #7
bugs bunny went to war too. pansypoo53219 Feb 2024 #11
Excellent Points. TY TC Cha Feb 2024 #14
Hitler in Hollywood Celerity Feb 2024 #15

ITAL

(900 posts)
1. It often takes several years to get films off the ground now
Mon Feb 19, 2024, 03:10 PM
Feb 2024

Last edited Tue Feb 20, 2024, 04:31 PM - Edit history (1)

Back in the 1940s the studios ran more of a factory pipeline, so things could be put together much faster. It's rare nowadays for a film to have a gestation period (from writing to production) under 3-4 years or so. And when it does happen it's usually because some big Producer or Director like Steven Spielberg is behind it.

soldierant

(8,003 posts)
9. Longer than just World War II - but white people didn't know it.
Mon Feb 19, 2024, 07:36 PM
Feb 2024

It was a code word in the lack community for being aware of, and doing one's best to avoid, abuse from white people.Back as far as Reconstruction.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,811 posts)
3. Except for Warner Brothers, the major studios had to be dragged kicking and screaming
Mon Feb 19, 2024, 03:15 PM
Feb 2024

To make any movie that could be considered anti-Nazi.

They didn’t want to offend the substantial portion of their audience who were “America First” isolationist Nazi-sympathizers.

Until Pearl Harbor of course.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,351 posts)
4. UA, Fox and MGM also made anti-Nazi films
Mon Feb 19, 2024, 03:31 PM
Feb 2024

Fox: The Man I Married (1940) and Man Hunt (1941)
UA: The Great Dictator
MGM: The Mortal Storm (1940) and Escape (1940)

Fiendish Thingy

(18,811 posts)
8. WB was making anti-fascist and anti-Nazi movies in the 30's
Mon Feb 19, 2024, 04:02 PM
Feb 2024

Including Black Legion (1937) and Confessions of a Nazi Spy (1939).

There was a concerted effort to shut down production of any anti-fascist or anti-Nazi films. Anti-Semite Joseph Breen, who enforced the Hayes code in Hollywood, was a major force in this effort, at the request of Joseph Goebbels. All the major studios did significant business in Germany, but only WB closed operations in 1934, the rest continuing until war broke out in 1939.

Much has been written about how Hollywood (except for WB) succumbed to the pressure to cancel production of Anti-Nazi films during the thirties.

https://www.openculture.com/2018/07/warner-brothers-resisted-hollywood-ban-anti-nazi-films-1930s-warned-americans-dangers-fascism.html

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/politics-news/when-hollywood-was-punished-for-its-anti-nazism-1235225578/

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/09/16/hitler-in-hollywood

https://mubi.com/en/notebook/posts/notebook-primer-hollywood-anti-fascism-during-world-war-ii



MurrayDelph

(5,441 posts)
12. To Be or Not to Be
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 12:59 AM
Feb 2024

United Artists, 1942.

In his autobiography, Jack Benny told the story of his father initially walking out of the theatre when he saw his son wearing a Nazi uniform. He was persuaded to go back and see the rest of the movie, and went back another 42 times afterwards.

MurrayDelph

(5,441 posts)
13. You Nazty Spy!
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 01:07 AM
Feb 2024

Columbia Pictures, January 1940 (months before The Great Dictator), starring the Three Stooges.

from Wikipedia:

The Stooges—all Ashkenazi Jews—occasionally worked a word or phrase of Yiddish into their dialogue. In particular here, the Stooges make several overt Jewish and Yiddish cultural references:
The exclamation "Beblach!" used several times in the film is a Yiddish word meaning "beans".
"Shalom aleichem!", literally "Peace unto you" is a standard Hebrew greeting meaning "hello, pleased to meet you".
In Moe's imitation of a Hitler speech, he says "in pupik gehabt haben" (the semi-obscene "I've had it in the bellybutton" in Yiddish).
These references to the Nazi leadership and Hitler speaking Yiddish were particularly ironic inside jokes for the Yiddish-speaking Jewish audience.
This anticipates the mock German that Charlie Chaplin would use in his dictator role in the soon to be released The Great Dictator, which the producers of this film were likely aware of.


themaguffin

(4,232 posts)
7. Hollywood looked the other way for years so that they could keep the German market. It wasn't until
Mon Feb 19, 2024, 03:51 PM
Feb 2024

1939 and the Warner film, "Confessions of a Nazi Spy" was it directly tackled in Hollywood and certainly as the war progressed.

Celerity

(46,866 posts)
15. Hitler in Hollywood
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 01:27 AM
Feb 2024


https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/09/16/hitler-in-hollywood

https://archive.is/d9Arr




As a Hays Office censor, Joseph Breen (center) was able to suppress anti-Nazi films.Photograph by Kurt Hutton / Getty


In 1937, Warner Bros. departed from its usual fare of jittery urban dramas and emotionally saturated women’s pictures. In a burst of ambition, it mounted a historical spectacle set in late-nineteenth-century Paris, “The Life of Emile Zola,” starring Paul Muni. “Zola” is meant to be a stirring man-of-conscience movie: after early struggles, followed by huge success, the writer, in self-satisfied middle age, gets drawn, with increasing fury, into the Dreyfus affair. “Zola,” which was directed by the German émigré William Dieterle, includes episodes that were interpreted at the time as indirect attacks on Nazi Germany: scenes of state-inspired mob agitation launched first against Alfred Dreyfus, a Jewish captain in the French Army who is falsely accused of treason; and then against Zola for defending him—his books are publicly burned. At the end, in an outpouring of the progressive rhetoric that was typical of the thirties, Zola makes a grandiloquent speech on behalf of justice and truth and against nationalist war frenzy. “The Life of Emile Zola” was a big hit for Warners. It was nominated for ten Academy Awards—Muni, formerly a star of the Yiddish theatre in New York (he was born Meshilem Meier Weisenfreund), was nominated for best actor—and it won three, including best picture. But there is a pervasive oddity about the film: the word “Jew” is never spoken in it, and anti-Semitism is never mentioned. There were four instances of “Jew” in the original screenplay, but three were cut, leaving a single appearance of the word, on a printed page. As the French general staff scan a list of officers, the words “Religion: Jew” appear onscreen next to Dreyfus’s name. The shot lasts about a second and a half.

Was the undeleted word an error? A solitary act of defiance? “The Life of Emile Zola” is a perfect example of the half-boldness, half-cowardice, and outright confusion that marked Hollywood’s response to Nazism and anti-Semitism in the nineteen-thirties. In that decade, the industry produced a generally good-hearted and liberal cinema that celebrated such democratic American virtues as easy manners, tolerance, heroic individualism, and loathing of mob violence—all of which can be seen as a de-facto rebuke to Nazism. At the same time, the studios cancelled several explicitly anti-Nazi films planned for production, and deleted from several other movies anything that could be construed as critical of the Nazis, along with anything that might be seen as favorable to the Jews—or even a simple acknowledgment that they existed. Except for Twentieth Century Fox, headed by Darryl Zanuck, a shrewd and tough Gentile from Nebraska, the studios were run by Jews, who controlled many hectares of Los Angeles turf and worldwide distribution networks—an enormous power base that makes their timidity regarding Nazism a matter of psychological and cultural as well as political interest.

In recent years, a variety of scholars, including Neal Gabler, J. Hoberman, Jeffrey Shandler, Lester D. Friedman, Steven Carr, and Felicia Herman, have worked on different aspects of this complicated history. But the story has been charged up by the appearance of two new books: “The Collaboration: Hollywood’s Pact with Hitler” (Harvard), by Ben Urwand, a junior fellow of the Society of Fellows at Harvard; and “Hollywood and Hitler, 1933-1939” (Columbia), by Thomas Doherty, a professor of American studies at Brandeis. Doherty’s book is much the better of the two. A witty writer familiar with Hollywood history and manners, Doherty places the studios’ craven behavior within a general account of the political culture of the movies in the thirties and forties. He finds both greed and fear in studio practice, but in a recent Times report on the controversy he strongly objects to Urwand’s use of the word “collaboration.” Urwand, an Australian, and the grandson of Hungarian Jews who spent the war years in hiding, flings many accusations. He speaks of Hitler’s victory “on the other side of the globe,” by which he means Hollywood, and he claims to see “the great mark that Hitler left on American culture.” Throughout the book, he gives the impression that the studios were merely doing the Nazis’ bidding. In that same Times article, he says that Hollywood was “collaborating with Adolf Hitler, the person and human being.”

Urwand has established the existence of multiple contacts between the studios and German government officials, and, in an apparent coup, he makes central use of a figure whom Doherty summons only sparingly: the Nazi consul in Los Angeles, Georg Gyssling, a former diplomat whose suavely threatening manner resembles the polite menace of Conrad Veidt’s Major Strasser, in “Casablanca.” Urwand shows that the studios occasionally allowed Gyssling to read scripts, to see early cuts of movies, and to demand—sometimes successfully—deletions from finished films. But are Urwand’s extreme conclusions warranted by what he has discovered? And, intentionally or not, his accusations stir up an old, sore question: should the Jews have done more to fight the persecutions that eventually enveloped them? “The Americans are so natural. Far superior to us,” Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi propaganda minister, confided to his diary in 1935, after seeing “It Happened One Night.” American films, including musicals, were popular in Germany; they had a relaxed, colloquial way about them that German filmmakers, who tended toward agonized expressionism in the nineteen-twenties and rigid didacticism during the Nazi period, couldn’t match. Goebbels’s wistful appreciation of American ease is one of the bizarre ironies of the story, since he was intent on purging the cinema of anything that didn’t comport with Nazi ideology. Among other things, he removed Jewish artists and workers from the German film industry and pushed out Jews who worked for the distribution arms of American studios.

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