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[marble falls]

1. Fuck polls. Until October.

[jimfields33]

75. I'm still waiting for the 30 house seats that repugs were supposed to win according to polls in 2022.

The only state trump might win is NC. The rest are president Biden.

[DemocratInPa]

104. I fully expect Trump to win Arizona..

especially with how high Lake is polling and the border being such a huge issue.

[Demsrule86]

113. Trump will lose Arizona is my expectation.

[hatrack]

2. Oh, RCP?

In 2020, The New York Times noted that since 2017, when many of its "straight-news" reporting journalists were laid off, RealClearPolitics showed a pro-Trump turn with donations to its affiliated nonprofit increasing, much from entities supported by wealthy conservatives. Several journalists who talked to The New York Times in 2020 said they never felt any pressure from the site's founders to bias their stories.[25] The New York Times also said that "Real Clear became one of the most prominent platforms for elevating unverified and reckless stories about the president's political opponents, through a mix of its own content and articles from across conservative media...." and that for days after the election, "Real Clear Politics gave top billing to stories that reinforced the false narrative that the president could still somehow eke out a win."[25] An October 2019 article in The Daily Beast reported that RealClear Media manages a Facebook page of "far-right memes and Islamophobic smears". Anand Ramanujan, chief technology officer for RealClear Media, responded that the company created the website that was affiliated with the Facebook page "as part of an effort to understand the flow of traffic from social media—particularly Facebook—to political websites."[26]

Real Clear Politics heavily promotes content by The Federalist, a conservative website which draws funding from the same pool of donor money as Real Clear Politics.[25]

In 2016, RealClearInvestigations was launched,[27] backed by foundations associated with conservative causes, such as the Ed Uihlein Family Foundation and Sarah Scaife Foundation.[28] In 2019, the site published an article by a conservative author, Paul Sperry, containing the supposed name of a U.S. intelligence officer who blew the whistle on the Trump–Ukraine scandal.[28] The article's publication came as part of a month-long effort by Trump allies on media and social media to "unmask" the whistleblower, whose identity was kept confidential by the U.S. government, in accordance with whistleblower protection (anti-retaliation) laws.[28] Most publications declined to reveal the whistleblower's identity; Tom Kuntz, editor of RealClearInvestigations, defended the site's decision to publish the article.[28]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealClearPolitics

[agingdem]

17. Ignore the damn polls...

they're nothing more than garbage headlines...Trump's base is stagnant, Trump's primary wins are anemic at best, Republican voters are choosing to staying home rather than vote for Trump (ex: Michigan...8.8 million registered voters...1.1 million voted in the primary)...

[former9thward]

25. These are not RCP polls.

RCP simply publishes polls given out by polling organizations like any other news media. They are not doing their own polls. So your cut/paste Wiki on RCP means nothing about the polls. If you think all these polls are phony then what polls are correct?

[Blue Idaho]

97. None of them

This far out.

[former9thward]

110. When?

October? The day before the election? The candidates are both as well known to the public as possible.

[Blue Idaho]

130. Trust Me

The vast majority of Americans are not paying attention to politics right now. Only political junkies like you and me are. I leave political poll watching to the professionals who are watching far more sophisticated data than is available to you and me. My job is to do everything in my power to help elect our candidates.

What is it the polls tell you about what you should personally do to do to elect Democrats?

[Demsrule86]

127. They are right wing polls...on a right wing website.

[womanofthehills]

33. The polls were done by Bloomberg/Mrn Consult

Real Clear is just reporting them as are other sites. Swing states get worse every week. We have a problem!!

[StarryNite]

120. I agree.

And polls influence people. Many people just jump on the bandwagon because they are too uneducated and lazy to do any research and they are not paying attention.

[Farmer-Rick]

42. Bias in favor of Trump

It's everywhere. Even in the polls.

Thanks for posting this information.

[Jersey Devil]

106. It's not even RCP

Realclearpolitics.com is the site you're thinking of, but if you look at the link in the OP it is realclearpolling.com. These "polls" are probably the product of someone's imagination.

[walkingman]

3. Hard to believe Americans want a Trump kind of world.

Not only for themselves but their children.

[womanofthehills]

44. The young are definitely horrified over Gaza

Last edited Thu Feb 29, 2024, 12:15 PM - Edit history (1)

They are more into their phones than tv and the horrific images don’t stop.

Many are voting for 3rd party candidates or are undecided.

In that Bloomberg/MngConsult poll it also shows results when Kennedy, Stein, & West are included.

Arizona

Trump 49
Biden. 43

Same Arizona poll with K, S & W

Trump 45
Biden. 36
Kennedy 9
Stein. 1
West 1

Pennsylvania- just Biden & Trump

Trump 49
Biden. 43

Same poll with added candidates

Trump 45
Biden 36
Kennedy 8
Stein 1
West 1

[walkingman]

66. We are all horrified over the carnage in Gaza as well as Ukraine.....however

This is a one issue election, and the One Issue is stopping Trump from getting into the White House. We can debate everything else after we achieve that one goal. If we fail, we'll never get a chance to address any of the other issues we face because we'll be mired in a dictatorship and all the horrors that will bring. Party doesn't matter. Who runs against Trump doesn't matter. Nothing matters more than stopping him at all costs. This is not business as usual.

When I see people like Kennedy, Stein, and West getting votes, it tells me our education system in America has failed.

[womanofthehills]

72. It's not a one issue election for the young

We see all the pro Palestine protests- politicians can’t go anywhere without being confronted. Marches every weekend.

[walkingman]

76. There is absolutely nothing wrong with protesting an issue. But it really is a one issue election

because for the Muslim community they forget....Biden might disappointed you but Trump will deport you. And if Trump wins because you sat out or voted for someone else as a protest vote then you will be getting the government you deserve and it will be too late to do anything about it.

[JustAnotherGen]

105. I'm an african american (mixed race)

My mom and husband will be considered race traitors.


I won't lift a finger to help them . . . because it means it gives us cover to go on vacation and never come back.

Their priorities are not mine. I'm all about surviving.

[shrike3]

115. Sounds like it is a one-issue election, if that's all they care about.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

4. Well I guess we should just give up then

Since obviously voting doesn't matter as polls say it's done and as you say "Nothing is going to change."

[Ferrets are Cool]

9. This

I couldn't post my first thoughts on this OP so thank you for saving me.

[Tree-Hugger]

14. This

I posted a reply nearly word for word like yours, but deleted it.

It works well for the gop of we are feeling hopeless and helpless. Amazing to see some on this site happily helping that along...

[brooklynite]

35. I wasn't aware that accepting data and adjusting one's strategy accordingly constituted "giving up".

[All Mixed Up]

41. The OP literally says nothing is going to change.

If nothing is going to change, then yeah, what's there point? Biden loses.

[Demsrule86]

125. It is real clear politics and Biden is not going to lose.

'Real Clear Politics was a “trusted, go-to source” for unbiased polling. The Trump era changed its tone — and funding sources.
NEW YORK TIMES / JEREMY W. PETERS / NOV 18
“Real Clear Politics and its affiliated websites have taken a rightward, aggressively pro-Trump turn over the last four years as donations to its affiliated nonprofit have soared … Real Clear’s evolution traces a similar path as other right-leaning political news outlets that have adapted to the upheaval of the Trump era by aligning themselves with the president and his large following, its writers taking on his battles and raging against the left.” —SS'

https://www.niemanlab.org/reading/real-clear-politics-was-a-trusted-go-to-source-for-unbiased-polling-the-trump-era-changed-its-tone-and-funding-sources/

Rightward turn during Trump's presidency
In 2020, The New York Times noted that since 2017, when many of its "straight-news" reporting journalists were laid off, RealClearPolitics showed a pro-Trump turn with donations to its affiliated nonprofit increasing, much from entities supported by wealthy conservatives. Several journalists who talked to The New York Times in 2020 said they never felt any pressure from the site's founders to bias their stories.[25] The New York Times also said that "Real Clear became one of the most prominent platforms for elevating unverified and reckless stories about the president's political opponents, through a mix of its own content and articles from across conservative media...." and that for days after the election, "Real Clear Politics gave top billing to stories that reinforced the false narrative that the president could still somehow eke out a win."[25] An October 2019 article in The Daily Beast reported that RealClear Media manages a Facebook page of "far-right memes and Islamophobic smears". Anand Ramanujan, chief technology officer for RealClear Media, responded that the company created the website that was affiliated with the Facebook page "as part of an effort to understand the flow of traffic from social media—particularly Facebook—to political websites."[26]

Real Clear Politics heavily promotes content by The Federalist, a conservative website which draws funding from the same pool of donor money as Real Clear Politics.[25]

In 2016, RealClearInvestigations was launched,[27] backed by foundations associated with conservative causes, such as the Ed Uihlein Family Foundation and Sarah Scaife Foundation.[28] In 2019, the site published an article by a conservative author, Paul Sperry, containing the supposed name of a U.S. intelligence officer who blew the whistle on the Trump–Ukraine scandal.[28] The article's publication came as part of a month-long effort by Trump allies on media and social media to "unmask" the whistleblower, whose identity was kept confidential by the U.S. government, in accordance with whistleblower protection (anti-retaliation) laws.[28] Most publications declined to reveal the whistleblower's identity; Tom Kuntz, editor of RealClearInvestigations, defended the site's decision to publish the article.[28][/excerpt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealClearPolitics

[AZSkiffyGeek]

48. There is no mention about adjusting strategy

No talk of changing messages, or even GOTV. Only that "Nothing is going to change".
So OP has apparently accepted TFG's return and is encouraging others here to do the same.

[womanofthehills]

46. No - the DNC has to address this

Trump should be easy to beat!

[Tree-Hugger]

16. Is this a pattern? nt

[obamanut2012]

24. ...

Yes

[shrike3]

30. The OP is a Dean Phillips' guy.

Haven't heard from them in a while.

[womanofthehills]

74. Doesn't matter who the OP is

Dem Party has a problem that needs to be addressed.

Social media has changed everything. Kids who never thought much about politics are now inundated with it online.

[shrike3]

85. The OP has voiced his support for Dean Phillips on a number of occasions.

Thus I thought it apropos to ask (down thread) how his guy is doing. Haven't gotten an answer. What do you think should be done?

[SoFlaBro]

132. It does matter who the OP is if he is an obvious concern nervous nellie poster. Hand wringing will get us nowhere.

[Sanity Claws]

6. Why would I believe them?

Every poll for the Republican primaries has overstated Trump's lead, when compared to actual results. And that just is for the Republican nomination. If it is overstated for the Republican primaries, you know it is overstated for the general election.

[karynnj]

23. I think it is also true that we havevout performed polls on most special elections

I started to right all, but switched to most to insure being correct.

[former9thward]

28. The average of polls for SC was dead on.

[Sanity Claws]

36. Not quite

Average of the polls showed Trump getting 61.6% and Haley getting 34%.
Actual results: Trump got 59.8% and Haley got 39.5%.
Polls seriously underestimated the anti-Trump vote.

[former9thward]

40. I don't agree.

The average of polls had Trump winning 60.8 to 37.5. Any campaign would take that result compared to the actual and celebrate.

[Sanity Claws]

43. I have a different number for Haley.

Regardless, Michigan polls were way off.
Polls showed Trump getting 78.7% He actually got 68.1%

My cites: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-r/2024/michigan/
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-primary-elections/michigan-president-results

[doc03]

7. I remember from past elections once the votes are counted, the campaign will

say we knew in the spring whether we would win or not. I have heard before polls are pretty much locked in
in by April. I have also heard voters don't make any serious decision until after Labor Day. So I guess
we have to hope for the latter.

[Think. Again.]

15. I remember a presidential election from years ago...

...but I don't remember which one, where even the exit polls, taken AS PEOPLE WERE LEAVING THE ELECTION SITE, were wrong about who won.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

20. I think that happened with one or both of the Dubya elections.

Exit polling hasn't been the same since.

[Think. Again.]

59. Yes, I think it was a bush election...

....and I remember thinking that the exit polls were more likely to be right and there may be a problem with the actual vote count.

This was back when electronic voting was just starting and we didn't have the automatic audits in place yet so there would be no way of knowing if any hanky-panky occurred.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

116. People are saying........

[TwilightZone]

8. "Nothing is going to change."

If you're trying to discourage people from voting, you're on the wrong website. Plenty can happen between now and November.

Turnout will be the key, as it is every cycle. You may chose to do nothing and be fatalistic about it, but the rest of us will work on GOTV efforts.

[Think. Again.]

10. According to the OP article...

....all of these polls were done by one polling company, Bloomberg/Morningconsult.

And of course things change, that's what things do.

[womanofthehills]

78. It's in the news because it's the latest poll

You can see averages of all state polls online.

https://www.270towin.com/2024-presidential-election-polls/

[Think. Again.]

79. Thanks! I'm bookmarking that site.

[sarisataka]

11. So is the election moot?

I guess everyone doesn't matter

[Diraven]

73. It's moot where I live

Arkansas 🙄

[Ghost of Tom Joad]

12. Do these polls ever ask the following question

Who did you vote for in 2020? If Biden are you now voting for Trump? Who believes that Biden voters have moved over to Trump?

[womanofthehills]

67. Some Biden voters are voting for other candidates- not for Trump

And they are pulling numbers from Biden. Many are undecided in blue states.

Look at the latest Maine poll -from Pan Atlantic Research 2/26/24

30% OTHER
38%. Trump
32%. Biden

What the hell? 30% OTHER????? Biden & other are almost equal.

[Abnredleg]

13. Lots of undecided voters

We’ll get a better idea later in the year when people make up their minds. Independents will have to decide who they dislike least.

[Plectranthus]

50. Undecided voters are the biggest idiots on the nation

[MichMan]

94. Their votes count the same as everyone else

[Johnny2X2X]

18. The media is to blame

They've spent 3 years solid of normalizing everything about Trump and minimizing the damage he did while painting the US under Biden as a hellscape.

We are in trouble, I know that because even here on DU people go by what the media has been telling them for 3 years and not by the actual data on things like wages, inflation, crime, and jobs. I spend a good deal of my posts here on DU fighting right wing talking points.

The media has painted a picture for 3 years and not even Biden's supporters are immune from the lies.

[JohnSJ]

27. Yes. They did the same thing to Hillary, Kerry, and Gore. They tried to do it with Obama, but

Obama countered that successfully with the Wright, Ayres controversies.

Not only do the Democrats need to unite, but Biden and surrogates need to get out their NOW and push back on the narrative that is being pushed by much of the MSM.

Social Media is essential for this.

[Johnny2X2X]

39. We can't even agree here on DU

Anytime good economic news is posted on DU, the thread is filled with people talking about how horrible everything is. Any time crime is brought up, DUers will talk about how awful crime is in their area and they don't care what the stats say. We are at or near historically low crime rates.

Real wages are up right now from before Covid. That is an actual fact. You cannot post that on DU without people going off with the media narrative that everything is 80% more expensive and wages are not keeping up... When the fact is that "higher real wages" literally means that wages increased more than prices, wages more than kept up with inflation. And that includes rents, food, energy etc. And that literally means that people are doing better now than before Covid.

Rents went down in 2023 and they're down an average of $90 from the peak in 2022, people cannot accept that simple and easily provable fact. Because maybe their rent didn't go down, but maybe their rent stayed the same and they notice higher rents when looking for a new place to live, so they just don't see the bigger picture.

So I don't know what to do anymore. Many Democrats here think that the country is in awful shape and all the data and facts to the contrary won't change their minds.

The media has been relentless, it's like a barinwashing that's going on in regards to the Biden economy. Even the big paycheck to paycheck article that got several threads here the other week, "62% of housseholds say they're living paycheck to paycheck!!!" That sounds awful right? 3 out of every 5 househols say they're living paycheck to paycheck sounds like a bad thing. And it's not an ideal situation for sure, but when you do a little digging, the number was 80% in 2019, before Covid, when Trump claimed the economy was great. I posted those links that showed that and almost no one acknowledged them. Less people are living paycheck to paycheck under Biden than Trump and Biden is getting 0 credit for that.

I fear we are doomed. Biden has one of the most remarkable presidential records in history and you can't even get his own supporters to acknowledge some of his most basic accomplishments on the economy.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

51. "you can't even get his own supporters to acknowledge some of his most basic accomplishments on the economy."

Just because they are posting here and agreed to the TOS, doesn't mean they are his supporters.

[Johnny2X2X]

60. Oh, agree there are some trolls

But some of these posters are just regular DUers who have been here for years and I don't think are trolls.

[Elessar Zappa]

109. I understand your pessimism but

please try and remain hopeful. Biden’s campaign hasn’t started in earnest (although they need to start now) and I don’t think Trump’s support will go up from 2020. I think people are griping and complaining now but when it comes down to it, they’ll think things through and realize what a disaster Trump would be if he got back in office.

[Johnny2X2X]

119. I am trying

I am a very optimistic person. I hope you're right.

The media is just relentless against Biden and to see so many here and elsewhere accepting the lies is really upsetting to me.

[Elessar Zappa]

121. Oh, I agree with that.

Unfortunately a lot of DUers have unknowingly absorbed right wing propaganda when it comes to the border, crime, and the economy. It’s very frustrating. As you correctly say above, the economy is great, crime rates are very low, and the border, while certainly a problem, has been exaggerated greatly.

[Johnny2X2X]

126. And the economy is doing better for the middle class and working poor

For generations we've been crying out for the economy to finally start seeing real gains for regular people, and now that we actually have that, in very real ways, people are ignoring the data in favor of anecdotal evidence.

The working poor have seen huge wage growth the last 3 years, absolutely massive, well in excess of inflation. Even at the worst of inflation, the working poor were seeing 12%+ wage growth that meant they were actually getting ahead at that time. Joe Biden's economy did that, and so few even know about it.

[Torchlight]

19. "from more polls" is a rather unmeasured contrast, no?

One more poll. On hundred more polls. Each fit the criteria; and if polling is indeed, the difference of degrees, maybe avoid the relative when discussing the absolute.

[Freethinker65]

21. Looks like close to 10% undecided.

So even if, as you believe, this snap shot in time poll represents solid, unchangeable due to any circumstances, votes there are still plenty of poll taker votes that did not opt to put Trump over 50%.

Biden might end up losing some of those states (especially North Carolina) but certainly not all.

[JohnSJ]

22. According to the polls, the majority favor a woman's right to choose, stricter gun legislation,

believes that January 6th was an attack on our democracy, and the majority believe that trump's bares responsibility for it.

There is some kind of disconnect going on with these polls.

Two weeks ago we had headlines from various progressives saying Biden should step aside and let the Convention determine the Democratic nominee.

There has been an ongoing anti-Biden campaign going on through the MSM, not unlike what happened to Hillary in 2016, the swift boaters free advertising against Kerry, the mocking of Gore in 2000, the Howard Dean "scream", etc.

[Charging Triceratops]

26. Polls are lies. Polls are propaganda.

No question about it anymore.

[former9thward]

32. BS

Why does the DNC and the Democratic party campaign organizations spend millions of dollars on polling? Yes, they do. They are professional campaign organizations, but I guess they don't know "Polls are lies".

[Farmer-Rick]

49. The polls the campaigns use

Are not the polls released to the public. Campaigns pay for very high quality and specific polls.....well maybe not the stinking Nazi campaign.

The corporate media doesn't want to spend too much money on their polls and it shows.

[former9thward]

55. The polls have been very accurate.

And the polls done for the DNC and others are done by the same polling organizations that release polls to the public. The only difference is that campaign organizations tell the pollsters to ask different questions than a public poll in order to fine tune campaign messages.

[lapfog_1]

64. hahahahahahaha

thanks for the laugh this morning.

[yardwork]

29. Nothing is going to change?! Oh hell, no.

[shrike3]

31. Why don't you share Dean Phillips' polling with us?

[littlemissmartypants]

34. I don't know if I can bear another ray of sunshine.

[Omnipresent]

37. Voters will be reminded, that trump has nothing to offer.

If you want more pandemic madness,
if you want more Supreme Court justices to revoke more of your rights,
If you want a president that flip flops all the time, is blatantly dishonest, then you will be reminded that going backwards is not an option.

[EnergizedLib]

38. Don't believe it

We’re winning November.

[Joe Cool]

45. Who would be dumb enough to believe these will be the results in November?

Seriously, look at the numbers. No way any of that is going to happen.

[xmas74]

47. So let's give up.

Isn't that the point of the fear mongering?

[flying_wahini]

52. Too early to worry about polls.

[Farmer-Rick]

53. Do you live in the same world I do?

Nothing is going to change??????

In my 60+ years on this planet there are 3 things I have learned that are absolutely, positively TRUE.

And one of them is: Everything changes. Everything. If you think this a static and constant world, you are blind to the change. And these polls will change within minutes after the poll was taken. No 2 polls will ever match....they will be different and will change constantly.

[All Mixed Up]

54. It's silly to say nothing will change & your polls show how silly that is.

Zero polls show Trump breaking 50% (sorry I that NC one does). Most these polls have high undecided and high third party numbers. History tells us polls that have both are unreliable because undecideds can make up the gap and third party candidates, at least recently, typically poll better, especially this far out, than their final vote total.

And all these polls are of RV, not LV. At this point, it's only a guide to Trump's strength but certainly not a locked in number.

[rso]

56. RSO

Polls are BS, especially this far out, they have been overestimating rethugs and underestimating dems. Just take the latest special election in NY3, polls ranged between a tie or at most a 4 point win for Suozzi, but Suozzi won by 8 points, tells you all you need to know.

[NYC Liberal]

57. Poll: Obama trails in swing states

In a dozen key swing states across the country, President Barack Obama is trailing Mitt Romney by 5 percentage points and Newt Gingrich by 3 percentage points, according to a new Gallup/USA Today poll on Tuesday.

https://www.politico.com/story/2011/12/poll-obama-trails-in-swing-states-070344

[dsc]

58. Here's the thing

In 2020 Biden won the nation by 4.4%.
The margin in AZ was .4 difference -4%
The margin in GA was .3 difference -4.1%
The margin in MI was 2.8 difference -1.6%
The margin in NV was 2.4 difference -2%
The margin in NC was -1.1 difference -5.5%
The margin in PA was 1.2 difference 3.2%
The margin in WI was 0.6 difference 3.8%

This pattern has been fairly consistent in terms of the difference from national. These numbers don't fit. I am not sure what the issue is but there is an issue.

[Tribetime]

61. Houston we have a huge problem

Biden had much better polling in 2020 and won barely. What is the plan to turn this around quickly or is there just hope

[Kingofalldems]

93. Ahh--bad things about DU and it's members.

[BootinUp]

96. Yep. And anti-Ukraine BS as well.

[WarGamer]

98. I was waiting for you to notice this post, my friend... nt

[Kingofalldems]

99. I am not your friend.

[rso]

63. RSO

Polls have been all over the place, did you post these when they came out, or do you only post the ones favoring Trump ?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2023/12/12/biden-leads-trump-in-these-key-battleground-states-but-is-still-losing-popular-vote-new-poll-finds/

[WarGamer]

65. link is 3+ months old.

[rso]

69. RSO

Yes, the point is that polls go up and down constantly. Did you post those favorable polls in December ? Or do you only post polls favorable to Trump ?

[WarGamer]

70. Me? I'm not the OP.

[rso]

71. RSO

Sorry about that, but the question remains, did the OP post the December polls as well, or does he/she post only polls favorable to Trump ?

[WarGamer]

77. I remember seeing that poll posted back in December...

It's the only Battleground poll with that result so it's memorable.

[womanofthehills]

80. I think most people are into the latest polls

And what we are seeing is many people choosing other. You can see the averages from all the state polls here:

https://www.270towin.com/2024-presidential-election-polls/

[relayerbob]

68. Every poll so far has shown Trump ahead of Haley by far more than the actual VOTE!

So, who cares? Ignore the polls and work to fix the system. Or, if you are planning to surrender, then just do so.,

As they say - Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way,

[PennRalphie]

81. PA poll is definitely wrong

I live here. Biden is hugely popular. Our economy is truly booming. He’ll win easily here. We can’t be complacent though. The ONLY thing that could trip him up here is the border issue. Lots of people worrying about the crime by the migrants. But I’m confident he’ll get something done, with or without Congress.

[womanofthehills]

84. All Pa polls since Dec

https://www.270towin.com/2024-presidential-election-polls/pennsylvania

Almost tied - except for the two latest polls

[PennRalphie]

87. Those polls are all garbage

I’m telling you from real experience living here with real people. The PA economy is on fire. We have a fantastic Governor who will be a great surrogate for President Biden. The young people are all progressives. Now as others have said, what’s going on with Israel/Gaza is very important to college kids. They live online and they’re seeing this daily. I trust Biden to diffuse that too. We cannot be complacent, but there should be no panic.

[Aepps22]

82. Blocking and Tackling

Polls are data which is helpful when viewed in the right context. Candidly it is easier to respond to a poll than actually getting out to vote. We have to focus on GOTV, fighting against disinformation online and in person and getting new people registered. All of which aren’t sexy but are the blocking and tackling that is needed to get things done. Giving up is easy. The bad guys win when we give up and don’t try which is what OP wants and is not something we should do.

[Alhena]

83. Will be interesting to read this board the day after the election

I'm not at all optimistic, not just based on polls but based on talking to decent people I know who are afraid of how sharp Biden will be four years from now. An entirely legitimate question.

But this board seems to be full steam ahead til the election, polls be damned. Hope that works out. Afraid it won't.

[BootinUp]

88. And on what do these people make that estimation. Social media misinformation, I bet.

Ask them. Ask them if they have watched any of the one on one interviews Biden has done, or have they made any effort to watch a full press conference. They will answer no they don't have time, or are not interested. But they spend hours on social media and see distorted information.

[sakabatou]

86. It's fucking February! It's too early to call.

[Kingofalldems]

89. Bad things about Democrats.

[Kingofalldems]

90. Should we give up?

[videohead5]

91. 28% that picked Trump

Thinks that he is dangerous. it's the age thing. over 80% believes that President Biden it too old, but only 47% believes that Trump is too old. some people are not paying that much attention right now. I still think that people believe that Trump is much younger than Biden.

[bullimiami]

92. When the polls turn up wrong again will they shutter their doors and stop feeding bs?

Of course not. It’s the polling “business” they are in.
Their business is to make money by polling. This has no anchor in reality or accuracy.

[vercetti2021]

95. Then we get what we deserve

Hope the dumbass pearl clutchers will be so proud when Gaza is a parking lot, Americans lose all their rights and the same ones that voted against Biden are rounded up in camps. Yeah least your so called conscience is fucking crystal clear.

[gab13by13]

100. People who believe in these polls

put your money where your mouth is.

I will take the points in any or all of the states listed. 100 dollars apiece for charity. PM me and let's get it on.

Of course I'm taking President Biden. Any takers?

[triron]

101. If people are this stupid our democracy is dead anyway.

[ColinC]

102. A lot will change. Especially from polls that incorporate leans/ tilts

Those are not solid votes

[edhopper]

103. That it is even close in any

but the deepest red, christofascist State is depressing.

[Elessar Zappa]

107. Oh, well in that case I guess we just shouldn't vote.

Please don’t use this site to try and tamp down turnout because that’s exactly what affect your post will have.

[WarGamer]

114. I don't believe a SINGLE PERSON on this site will skip voting in November.

Zip, zero, nada.

[BootinUp]

108. The main problem with polls at this stage is that voters know they aren't needing to vote in a month or two

therefore, the only politics that most people get is incidental information. They are not looking to make decisions at this point. Most of the incidental information is exaggerated headlines and crappy tv coverage. This thing is far far far from over.

[Demsrule86]

111. Real Clear is a rightwing poll. They take money for the GOP. I call bullshit. But seriously

what is the point? Did you even google RealClear politics?

[TheFarseer]

112. I think

A lot of people are pouting about Gaza, inflation or whatever but I really don’t think Cornell West or Jill Stein or whoever will get over 1% combined and Kennedy hurts Trump more than Biden.

I could be wrong but it would be a shame if Biden lost because you could make a good case that he is the most labor friendly President in history.

[DFW]

117. I have a hard time taking hit and run OPs seriously, especially when they offer unsubstantiated bad news.

If the OP is serious about "nothing is going to change" from a Trump victory, there should be some kind of back-up to that claim, and joining in, rather than letting over hundred replies get posted with no response to any of them.

to borrow from Bill Clinton's line, this sounds like that one dentist out of five that recommends chewing gum with sugar in it. "A solidified opinion?" Что такое? Мы не все дураки.

[shrike3]

118. OP's done this before.

[DFW]

122. Habitual offender?

Maybe he should just be told Иди домой (go home), although he might already be there.

Unit 26165 or 74455, товарищ?

And by the way, if you want to abbreviate Pennslyvania, use Penn. or PA. To us Anglos, "Pen" is either a writing implement, or a place where pigs are kept (nothing implied, there, товарищ ).

[shrike3]

123. Pretty much. Hit and run.

[DFW]

124. As the hens might have said about the visiting fox......

"I don't think he's one of us....."

[shrike3]

129. Yep.

[cilla4progress]

128. Very anxiety-producing

Shitty day

[SoFlaBro]

131. Let's take a look at the OP's recent posts. All of them shit on Biden. ZERO responses in this thread. Obvious plant.

Stop being taken in by these posters.