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HomerRamone

(1,112 posts)
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 08:14 PM Nov 2012

New horizons of election fraud will be realized in 2014 if smartphone & internet voting moves fwd

Romney may have lost, but the voting system is still broken
by Gerry Bello and Bob Fitrakis

The various memes on voter suppression around the country have faded in favor of "our guy won, so the casualties are acceptable." Victory on a narrow basis for single party is neither a victory for democracy nor a triumph for the citizens whose votes were stolen.

The power of the other half of the anti-democratic coin – electronic voter fraud – is still very much in place. The machines designed for hacking, the right-aligned voting machine companies, the nontransparency of the systems and software, court decisions, the virtual factory of denial and the political hacks who benefit from them, are all still very much a part of our system. The partisan for-profit corporations are still in a position to change the outcome of any election in the nation. The official forces of the Democratic Party and the administration have been at best silent and at worst dismissive of this proven reality.

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This picture would not be one of Romney losing by a 3%. It would be a broad repudiation of the Right by a large majority of Americans. This repudiation would vastly shift American politics to the center Left, not to the corporate center that the Democratic Party corporate triangulators. Even today, as the Republican Party sharpens its long knives for an internal struggle not seen since 1964, pundits are calling for a more "purple" politics based on bi-partisan compromise. The functional end logic of this is corporate single party rule – the antithesis of democracy.

The constant failure of the "liberal" activists to defend the voting rights of ordinary Americans causes them instead to lash out at the Left and deride any third party efforts, like the Green Party, in the name of propping up an indefensible centrist viewpoint. By allowing the pre-election purging of ten million or so voters and the blatant racist disenfranchisement of millions of voters on Election Day, these liberal layworkers for corporate centrism accept skewed election results that erroneously show an evenly divided electorate.

MORE: http://freepress.org/departments/display/19/2012/4827

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New horizons of election fraud will be realized in 2014 if smartphone & internet voting moves fwd (Original Post) HomerRamone Nov 2012 OP
What do we do? nt rainin Nov 2012 #1
It's funny - I can buy anything online from cliffordu Nov 2012 #2
Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #4
There doesn't seem to be much at all in your vocabulary. morningfog Nov 2012 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author HomerRamone Nov 2012 #5
How does this facilitate transparency and accuracy in counts? nt HomerRamone Nov 2012 #7
When was the last time you were ripped off at Amazon? cliffordu Nov 2012 #10
and this tells you how many bought each item in total *how*? nt HomerRamone Nov 2012 #12
Well...... cliffordu Nov 2012 #14
They say that is a bad idea, but... RobertEarl Nov 2012 #16
EVER BUY ANYTHING ON THE INTERNETS???? cliffordu Nov 2012 #17
Almost no error... ALMOST RobertEarl Nov 2012 #18
Really glad you're missing the entire point about receipts cliffordu Nov 2012 #19
I heard ya RobertEarl Nov 2012 #20
None, except a trail of every vote cast. Kinda important in a democracy. cliffordu Nov 2012 #21
While throwing "Fail" at everyone YOU'RE missing the point. HomerRamone Nov 2012 #25
You haven't explained how you find out if your vote has been switched. eridani Nov 2012 #23
And your vote can then be changed without your knowledge eridani Nov 2012 #22
Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #3
We beat Rove's ass you con RobertEarl Nov 2012 #6
Enjoy your stay!! Be sure to try the salad bar!!! cliffordu Nov 2012 #9
Posting privileges revoked Coyotl Nov 2012 #13
Is this the guy running against Joyce Beatty, Democrat? Coyotl Nov 2012 #11
Yes. HomerRamone Nov 2012 #15
We have vote by mail in Oregon. Works great. Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #24
While some States keep asking when 'we' will make voting easier and more secure Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #26

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
2. It's funny - I can buy anything online from
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 08:30 PM
Nov 2012

an escort service to a helicopter to underwear and get a receipt listing my purchase

But I cannot get a receipt for voting.

Here's the cure - which I read on DU and cannot remember who posted it:

You vote online and get a receipt.

You can check that receipt on an online database that confirms your vote.

Anyone who cannot vote this way gets a paper ballot, and a receipt.

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cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
10. When was the last time you were ripped off at Amazon?
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 09:09 PM
Nov 2012

Just use the same model:

If your vote has been switched, you have a receipt that you can take to your local elections office and show them what the deal is.

Just like taking underwear that are too small back to the local Wallmart.

Instant refund, or, in this case, instant vote honesty,.


Folks, this shit is easy to track and trace. It is IDIOCY to do it any other way.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
16. They say that is a bad idea, but...
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:48 PM
Nov 2012

Last edited Sat Nov 24, 2012, 01:25 AM - Edit history (1)

If you vote absentee your vote is not private. You can sit there at home with a ballot and show it to everybody and even take a picture. You could even hand it to someone else and let them deliver it to the ballot box.

And the officials can trace your vote and be able to tell who you voted for. So this grand idea that all ballots are secret is BS.

If we moved to internet voting (Gawd forbid!) the only way to do it safely is to be able to track your vote which means others could too.

Are we ready for that?

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
17. EVER BUY ANYTHING ON THE INTERNETS????
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 01:04 AM
Nov 2012

YOUR CONCERNS ARE MOOT.

Jesus fucking christ.

Amazon does how many transactions a DAY with almost no error and you're worried about online voting???

Check this: (from last year...)


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/8950080/Amazon-sells-3-million-items-in-Cyber-Monday-frenzy.html

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
18. Almost no error... ALMOST
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 01:17 AM
Nov 2012

WHAT!! YOU WANT AMAZON TO SELL VOTES?!?!?

First, not everyone has the INTERNET!!

Second, if my concerns are MOOT, well then so are YOURS!! MOOT!!!
(see i can do caps too)

cliffordu

(30,994 posts)
21. None, except a trail of every vote cast. Kinda important in a democracy.
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 02:38 AM
Nov 2012

Kills privately owned voting machines.

That's all.

HomerRamone

(1,112 posts)
25. While throwing "Fail" at everyone YOU'RE missing the point.
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 08:56 AM
Nov 2012

Read up on this, because many have been working on the problems of voting machine integrity for years, and I've never seen it suggested that individuals being able to look at a supposed electronic record of their vote guarantees in any way that that is how it is counted in the totals...

eridani

(51,907 posts)
23. You haven't explained how you find out if your vote has been switched.
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 06:32 AM
Nov 2012

If you have a problem with anything you buy, you have an unlimited amount of time to get the situation straightened out. This in no way is similar to voting.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
22. And your vote can then be changed without your knowledge
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 06:29 AM
Nov 2012

A trial online voting system in DC last year was hacked in about 45 seconds by one of a team of computer security experts invited by the designers to have at it. Stop being ridiculous.

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HomerRamone

(1,112 posts)
15. Yes.
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 11:35 PM
Nov 2012

He ran as a Green and lost to Beatty. That doesn't mean we can't post his articles and admire his work on election integrity...

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
24. We have vote by mail in Oregon. Works great.
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 06:58 AM
Nov 2012

I don't think the problems are insurmountable. Technology or no. There are ways to ensure that the vote gets counted, and accurately. TRANSPARENCY in the process, the software, redundancy, multiple verification nodes, whatever it takes.

Don't tell me it can't be done. It can.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
26. While some States keep asking when 'we' will make voting easier and more secure
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 09:20 AM
Nov 2012

other States have simply done so. This is why the material about how 'no one does anything' is so annoying to me. Washington State just made huge changes to their voting system while Ohio allows itself to be exploited by a Sec of State they actually vote into office. So don't 'we' too hard at those who are doing what 'you' need to do.
We have many States with huge elections issues. Solving them is made harder by those who deny changes other States are making just to be able to say 'no one does anything' and 'THE system' over and over again. Why don't they point to examples for the good instead of claiming there are none?
Are these guys 'independents'? Much of the piece seems to hold tight to 'Democrats do nothing'....in spite of facts the authors simply leave out of their 'work'.
Serious issues require serious discussion, not boilerplate repetition.

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