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EarlG

(22,091 posts)
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 08:08 PM Mar 2024

Bloodbath redux

I've actually been away from the news most of today. I heard about the bloodbath comments last night, assumed the worst, then watched the video this morning and discovered that Trump was talking about the auto industry. I then wrote this post to point out that it doesn't matter, because his words exist in multiple contexts. I heard that Jen Psaki made a similar argument this morning.

I just checked back in to see the bloodbath discussion still raging, so here's why I don't think it's a mistake for our side to keep pushing this.

With the Biden campaign fully pushing the comments, the GOP is now on the defensive and yelling about how the mean old libs are taking poor Donald out of context. But by doing this, they're wasting valuable airtime drawing attention to the fact that Trump is a psycho who says crazy, violent stuff. It reminds me of the old Ronald Reagan quote, "If you're explaining, you're losing." I would add that if you're quibbling about context, you're also losing.

Well as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter. Republicans are all out there explaining that when Trump said, "If I don’t get elected, it’s gonna be a bloodbath," he wasn't talking about, y'know, an actual bloodbath, he was talking about cars. Okay, fine. And this is the same guy who instigated a violent coup attempt, right? The guy who said General Milley should be shot? The guy who said shoplifters should be shot? He's talking about cars, right?

And now the conversation isn't about Biden's age, or some other garbage, it's about Donald Trump's frequent use of violent language.

This is what we want going forward. There's an organized push going on right now from Democrats to "reawaken" people to the true threat of Trump. Many, many people have tuned out of politics, which is why the "Biden is too old" story -- which is a super-easy thing for people who aren't paying much attention to latch on to -- gained traction, and why it's been reflected in polling.

But one of our best lines of attack this time around is to make sure that as many potential voters as possible remember exactly what kind of psycho Trump is, and why it would be a terrible idea to put him back in the White House. And every time he makes a statement like the "bloodbath" statement, we get an opportunity to do that. I'd rather see the media devoting hours to whether Trump meant an actual bloodbath or a metaphorical bloodbath, than devoting hours discussing Biden's age.

And Trump is going to keep doing this, and he's going to get worse, so hitting him on it now is merely a prelude. You can see from the Biden campaign's comments, and the President's jokes at the Girdiron Dinner, that they're trying to goad him into getting angry -- and it's working. Trump may be projecting a brave face as best he can at the moment, but with his financial situation in tatters, criminal trials coming up, the Republican Party in complete disarray, and constant provocations from the Biden campaign, he's hopefully going to be in complete shambles well before November.

And yes, Trump said a bunch of insane crap in 2016 and got away with it -- "grab 'em by the pussy," "blood coming out of her wherever," etc. -- but this is not 2016. In 2016 those comments were seen by many as just "Trump being Trump." "Locker room talk" -- remember that? And just enough people gave him the benefit of the doubt, because he might have been "out there," but they found him to be entertaining.

He's no longer entertaining. He's just a tired, angry old man ranting and raving about nonsense. He's using violent rhetoric, dehumanizing immigrants, and praising Hitler. He's making overt appeals to racists and neo-Nazis. He's not charming or boisterous or whatever any more, he's a mess.

This stuff is all going to seep back into people's consciousnesses as the year goes on. They need to be reminded of why they got tired of Trump in the first place, and the Biden campaign is going to be putting a lot of time and effort into doing just that. The "bloodbath" comment was the perfect opportunity to take a swing at him, and IMO forcing Republicans to go out and defend him on this is good politics.

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Bloodbath redux (Original Post) EarlG Mar 2024 OP
It's of fucking critical importance to push this message forward. Orange Bastard fucked up, stepped on his own ass, and SoFlaBro Mar 2024 #1
THANK YOU!!! THANK YOU!!! THANK YOU!!! Bookmarking!!! niyad Mar 2024 #2
Well stated. Thank you EarlG. Think. Again. Mar 2024 #3
"That'll be the least of it" repeated twice referring to what problems there might be in the auto industry. The least of brewens Mar 2024 #4
Indeed, I don't deny that EarlG Mar 2024 #13
Agree 100%. Trump makes noises with his face Ocelot II Mar 2024 #5
That was just gas. Remember Dr Spock was arrested for a lot less Oppaloopa Mar 18 #53
Excellent.. I like your Analysis.. Cha Mar 2024 #6
THANK YOU EarlG Hekate Mar 2024 #7
TFG wants violence and these comments were not taken out of context LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2024 #8
👍🏼..K&R...👍🏼 spanone Mar 2024 #9
And, Here It IS.. ".. Trump on the Defensive"..! Cha Mar 2024 #10
THIS malaise Mar 2024 #11
"He's just a tired, angry old man ranting and raving about nonsense." sheshe2 Mar 2024 #16
He's what Hitler would have been if he'd lived long enough to become senile. Ocelot II Mar 2024 #24
Good observation, Ocelot. sheshe2 Mar 2024 #33
Drug use, and food, would've been just like Trump. betsuni Mar 18 #61
Hitler used a lot of opiates and amphetamines. Ocelot II Mar 18 #62
Love it! SalviaBlue Mar 2024 #12
I hope we get the opportunity to take advantage of many more "teachable moments". Nt Fiendish Thingy Mar 2024 #14
He is Also ConstanceCee Mar 2024 #15
The act is tired and old Roy Rolling Mar 2024 #17
'The "bloodbath" comment was the perfect opportunity to take a swing at him, elleng Mar 2024 #18
Very astute RussBLib Mar 2024 #19
Kick dalton99a Mar 2024 #20
Constant pinpricks. Isolating pinpricks. That's the ticket. cachukis Mar 2024 #21
Pinpricks HuskyOffset Mar 18 #49
Good one. cachukis Mar 18 #50
Agreed vadermike Mar 2024 #22
this . AllaN01Bear Mar 2024 #23
I could not agree more! llmart Mar 2024 #25
"With the Biden campaign fully pushing the comments, the GOP is now on the defensive". - BINGO. BumRushDaShow Mar 2024 #26
It doesn't matter what he meant by "bloodbath." We use it against him, primarily to mock him. Earth-shine Mar 2024 #27
Trump using his 'plausible denial' skills. Aussie105 Mar 2024 #28
Mob boss skills orthoclad Mar 2024 #41
Well said. limbicnuminousity Mar 2024 #29
Pet psychic needed Dear_Prudence Mar 2024 #30
Thank you, EarlG. Pathwalker Mar 2024 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Aussie105 Mar 2024 #32
Excellent redux. Recommended! dchill Mar 2024 #34
Well, I'm just hoping the strategy works and Trump loses but... Septua Mar 2024 #35
It's always been on us peggysue2 Mar 2024 #38
I love how Whoopi Goldberg on "The View" often speaks directly to the camera to remind everyone it's up to them, betsuni Mar 18 #52
Famous Quote Hieronymus Phact Mar 18 #58
Well said. Liberal In Texas Mar 2024 #36
Absolutely and on point! peggysue2 Mar 2024 #37
What a dog hears: orthoclad Mar 2024 #39
Thank you, EarlG. democrank Mar 2024 #40
Totally agree. Great post! Silver Gaia Mar 18 #42
Most excellent! Goddessartist Mar 18 #43
The Biden campaign just released this devastating ad putting into perspective Donald Trump's "bloodbath" comment. LetMyPeopleVote Mar 18 #44
My biggest fear is by the time of the RNC convention Mr.Bill Mar 18 #45
I hope he croaks after most of the ballots are printed. CrispyQ Mar 18 #51
I agree, but DT often pivots, and I think that is what he did. 58Sunliner Mar 18 #46
Democrats' comments are routinely actually taken out of context and never go away, ever, betsuni Mar 18 #47
Orange Fuckstain meant what he said. Bloodbath for all Americans especially immigrants. SoFlaBro Mar 18 #48
When your opponent says something off putting, put a megaphone in front of his face. JohnnyRingo Mar 18 #54
He explicitly said "it would be a bloodbath for the whole country," not just the auto industry. SunSeeker Mar 18 #55
"Bloodbath" ??? I thought Dumpster Fire was gonna be sitting in a tubful 4lbs Mar 18 #56
Done stollen Mar 18 #57
K & R Emile Mar 18 #59
K&R B.See Mar 18 #60

SoFlaBro

(2,320 posts)
1. It's of fucking critical importance to push this message forward. Orange Bastard fucked up, stepped on his own ass, and
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 08:11 PM
Mar 2024

ate fucking shit.

brewens

(13,886 posts)
4. "That'll be the least of it" repeated twice referring to what problems there might be in the auto industry. The least of
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 08:17 PM
Mar 2024

what? He means violence by his supporters.

EarlG

(22,091 posts)
13. Indeed, I don't deny that
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 08:25 PM
Mar 2024

Trump is constantly inserting violent rhetoric into his speeches and then claiming innocence when called out. But I'm suggesting that whether he meant it or not isn't the most important thing now -- what's important is that it becomes a big story and gets people talking about his crazy speeches.

The Biden campaign has recognized this and gone directly at Trump over the comments, context be damned, and I think that's the right move because it puts the GOP on the defensive, where we want them. For an example of how this might break through to people, after I posted the OP I scrolled down the Latest page a bit and caught this:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218786744

Trump did this to himself, and allowed the Biden campaign to capitalize on it. And I'm glad they did -- it shows that they're ready to fight going forward.

Ocelot II

(116,584 posts)
5. Agree 100%. Trump makes noises with his face
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 08:17 PM
Mar 2024

and sounds resembling words come out, and those word-like sounds are just vague enough not to be actionable but are horrible and outrageous regardless. What his goblin-infested brain actually meant is irrelevant at this point (though we can bet krugerrands to kroner that he'd love to see another 1/6-type melee for his benefit). Just using the word "bloodbath," regardless of the apparent or assumed context, excites the cult and outrages everybody else. Since all he sees is the excitement of the cult, he'll keep using inflammatory language in that squishy way that isn't quite incitement ("Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?" ), but that reminds everybody who isn't in the cult that he's a dangerous lunatic.

Cha

(299,223 posts)
6. Excellent.. I like your Analysis..
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 08:18 PM
Mar 2024
With the Biden campaign fully pushing the comments, the GOP is now on the defensive and yelling about how the mean old libs are taking poor Donald out of context. But by doing this, they're wasting valuable airtime drawing attention to the fact that Trump is a psycho who says crazy, violent stuff. It reminds me of the old Ronald Reagan quote, "If you're explaining, you're losing." I would add that if you're quibbling about context, you're also losing.

LetMyPeopleVote

(147,330 posts)
8. TFG wants violence and these comments were not taken out of context
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 08:19 PM
Mar 2024

Looking at the context of TFG's comments does not help. TFG is advocating for violence 






malaise

(270,662 posts)
11. THIS
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 08:23 PM
Mar 2024

He's no longer entertaining. He's just a tired, angry old man ranting and raving about nonsense. He's using violent rhetoric, dehumanizing immigrants, and praising Hitler. He's making overt appeals to racists and neo-Nazis. He's not charming or boisterous or whatever any more, he's a mess.

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I link up with siblings on Sundays - everyone I spoke with today mentioned the comments about immigrants not being human and the bloodbath. Two nephews also spoke about this.

sheshe2

(84,485 posts)
16. "He's just a tired, angry old man ranting and raving about nonsense."
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 08:55 PM
Mar 2024

No, he is much more than that.

He is a dangerous man, a cornered rabid animal, a threat to this country and the world. He is a psychopath as are his rabid followers.

The man is a clear and present danger to us all and needs to be locked in a padded cell for the rest of his miserable life.

betsuni

(26,215 posts)
61. Drug use, and food, would've been just like Trump.
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 10:51 PM
Mar 18

"He ate fast and he ate a lot. Franziska Braun said she was always surprised to see how much he put away -- second helpings of everything, including the pudding he always had for dessert. ... Hitler's addiction was to sweets: he had a perpetual, ferocious craving for cakes, pastries, and biscuits. Friedelind Wagner ... remembered Hitler eating two pounds of pralines a day when he was visiting Bayreuth. While planning the invasion of Norway, his aide Heinz Linge wrote, he kept darting out of the conference room to gobble sweets in his study. Linge asked if he was hungry, but Hitler said no. 'For me, sweets are the best food for the nerves,' he replied. Even in the bunker, as the Russians approached and his own death loomed, he was stuffing himself with cake."

Laura Shapiro, "What She Ate"

Ocelot II

(116,584 posts)
62. Hitler used a lot of opiates and amphetamines.
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 11:50 PM
Mar 18

Trump allegedly uses Adderall, and with the help of "Dr." Ronny Jackson, his White House was awash with drugs.

Roy Rolling

(6,982 posts)
17. The act is tired and old
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 08:56 PM
Mar 2024

Trump is an act, he’s not a real thing. He exists in the minds of his cult, he calls it branding—they think he’s a rich billionaire because he tells them so.

Over, and over, and over, and over, …

How many fresh minds can he impress in 2023 saying he’s a genius? Zero.

The deplorables can’t multiply unchecked like they did in 2016, they are confined to Trump-only rallies and shrinking venues. Their kids don’t want to be weirdos, too.

elleng

(132,207 posts)
18. 'The "bloodbath" comment was the perfect opportunity to take a swing at him,
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 08:59 PM
Mar 2024

and IMO forcing Republicans to go out and defend him on this is good politics.'

HuskyOffset

(893 posts)
49. Pinpricks
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 03:23 PM
Mar 18

Pinpricks . . . for a pin prick. Well, that’s what I heard. Definitely don’t spread this rumor.

vadermike

(1,418 posts)
22. Agreed
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 09:15 PM
Mar 2024

Politics ain’t beanbag and if they’re explaining they are losing. I hope we can keep up the offense. This is a really great strategy and the more they whine “out of context” we know it’s working !!! getem Joe and Dems !!!!!

llmart

(15,649 posts)
25. I could not agree more!
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 09:32 PM
Mar 2024

We need to use everything we can to keep him off balance. It's time to put the "when they go low, we go high" meme to bed for now (sorry, Michelle). We're in a war to save our democracy and we have to do whatever it takes.

Besides, I don't care if he did mean it as just for the auto industry (he didn't), he loves to use violent rhetoric and that's just plain dictator style.

Great post and analysis and truly spot on regarding how we have to get him on the defensive. Narcissists hate that.

BumRushDaShow

(131,759 posts)
26. "With the Biden campaign fully pushing the comments, the GOP is now on the defensive". - BINGO.
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 09:35 PM
Mar 2024

Repeating his use of that vile term has now become a (D) talking point (which also emphasizes how it fits a consistent theme), and it has been embraced by all the way up the ladder to the top. And yes, it HAS taken the GOP "off message".

They do this to us ALL the time and turning the tables has been a joy to see.

When people here bemoan why Democrats "won't 'take off their gloves'" and "put on the brass knuckles", well they just did.

Aussie105

(5,637 posts)
28. Trump using his 'plausible denial' skills.
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 09:39 PM
Mar 2024

A dual level message, industrial 'blood' or human blood?

Any effective communicator would make it very clear what he meant with such a message, but not Trump - he does it on purpose.

There needs to be some interviewing of MAGAts to see how THEY interpret the message.

No point us just saying 'he was just waffling another incomprehensible word salad' if his followers mostly went home to clean their guns and count their bullets.

Dear_Prudence

(474 posts)
30. Pet psychic needed
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 09:45 PM
Mar 2024

Perhaps we should rely upon a gifted pet psychic to let us all know the intended meaning of this candidate's barking. The need to debate Trump's intended meaning is grounds for his disqualification. His routine miscommunication, ambiguity, mistakes, name mix-ups (on purpose or not), sprayshot threats and insults, and nonsensical utterances confuse the domestic audience. Internationally, Trump's failure to communicate could lead to an unintentional international incident, or what Trump would call "World War 2".

Response to EarlG (Original post)

peggysue2

(10,948 posts)
38. It's always been on us
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 10:50 PM
Mar 2024

Because that's what democracy demands, the electorate, the people exercising their voice/vote.

While we still have it.

betsuni

(26,215 posts)
52. I love how Whoopi Goldberg on "The View" often speaks directly to the camera to remind everyone it's up to them,
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 03:42 PM
Mar 18

if they want to change things they have to vote.

peggysue2

(10,948 posts)
37. Absolutely and on point!
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 10:48 PM
Mar 2024

We need to stop pussy-footing around. Deranged, demented, it doesn't matter.

God damn it, words matter. These words matter to our survival as a civilized society.

So yes, forget the context shit and go after this monster with everything we have. Drill down, then drill down again. We cannot allow this man to continue spewing violent, depraved language because it's a poison to the body politic.

The push back is essential. We must be louder than the liars, louder than those who would take us into the Darkness.

This is the season to scream the Truth against the Big Lie. This is the last frigging moment we'll likely get.

orthoclad

(2,910 posts)
39. What a dog hears:
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 10:53 PM
Mar 2024

Person speaking:
"Going out to this restaurant will be a real treat for the family."
Dog hearing:
"- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -treat- - - - - - -".



Giving the Reich wing the benefit of our doubt over and over and over again, despite proven, real-world results, borders on the classic definition of insanity.

democrank

(11,122 posts)
40. Thank you, EarlG.
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 10:54 PM
Mar 2024

Hope every reporter asks “our friends across the aisle” what they think of Trumps latest Cult Talk.

LetMyPeopleVote

(147,330 posts)
44. The Biden campaign just released this devastating ad putting into perspective Donald Trump's "bloodbath" comment.
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 12:40 PM
Mar 18

Mr.Bill

(24,438 posts)
45. My biggest fear is by the time of the RNC convention
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 02:11 PM
Mar 18

Trump will either drop dead or get so bad even his base will turn away from him and the republicans will turn to a candidate that is actually a human being.

CrispyQ

(36,790 posts)
51. I hope he croaks after most of the ballots are printed.
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 03:37 PM
Mar 18


I'd take today, too, though.

There's no one else his base will coalesce around, which is why even repubs who privately hate him won't speak out against him. They can't win without the base. The Republican Party has courted the zealots & racists for decades & now they've lost control of their party. I forget which state it was but they had two republican conventions this year. Fuckin' A!!

58Sunliner

(4,510 posts)
46. I agree, but DT often pivots, and I think that is what he did.
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 02:39 PM
Mar 18

If we look at context, why would it be a bloodbath for the auto industry if he is not re-elected? That makes no sense at all. He wants a 100% tariff? Majority of cars sold in American are made/assembled here. “If this election isn’t won, I’m not sure that you’ll ever have another election in this country.” And more projection at the same rally. He often speaks the truth in a back hand way. If he is elected, kiss elections goodbye.

betsuni

(26,215 posts)
47. Democrats' comments are routinely actually taken out of context and never go away, ever,
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 03:01 PM
Mar 18

(like that Al Gore said he invented the Internet), so Republicans running around screaming about imaginary context is deeply satisfying.

JohnnyRingo

(18,816 posts)
54. When your opponent says something off putting, put a megaphone in front of his face.
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 04:17 PM
Mar 18

Put it on blast and let them explain. Ask Mitt Romney.

SunSeeker

(52,205 posts)
55. He explicitly said "it would be a bloodbath for the whole country," not just the auto industry.
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 05:02 PM
Mar 18

He explicitly said "it would be a bloodbath for the whole country" and that the auto industry issues "would be the least of it." So he was definitely talking about much more than the auto industry.

Video clip of the relevant portion of Trump's speech here:


?s=20

4lbs

(6,970 posts)
56. "Bloodbath" ??? I thought Dumpster Fire was gonna be sitting in a tubful
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 06:03 PM
Mar 18

of ketchup after bankrupting the RNC and having all his NYC property taken away
to "pay" for his crimes and felonies.




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