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Tom of Temecula

(1,269 posts)
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 02:20 PM Mar 18

Trump's Assets Could Be Seized As He Can't Afford $464 Million Bond

Trump’s lawyers admitted in court that he can’t post the $454 million fraud judgment bond because he lacks the cash to back it. CNN reported on a filing by Trump’s lawyers:”

The amount of the judgment, with interest, exceeds $464 million, and very few bonding companies will consider a bond of anything approaching that magnitude,” Trump’s lawyers wrote. (Trump himself was ordered to pay $454 million; the $464 million includes the disgorgement for his adult sons Don Jr. and Eric.) ... An insurance broker, Gary Giulietti, who testified for Trump during the civil fraud trial, signed an affidavit stating that securing a bond in the full amount “is a practical impossibility.” ... Potential underwriters are seeking cash to back the bond, not properties, according to Trump’s lawyers.

Donald Trump’s problem is that he doesn’t actually own much real estate in New York. His biggest holding appears to be Trump Tower, but it is unclear if he owns the building outright. Other buildings that either carry Trump’s name in New York or are listed among his holdings are licensing deals, ground leases, or places he might own a portion of.

It is very difficult for Trump to sell a building or two in New York to cover the bond when he does not own much in New York that he could sell. James could seize Trump Tower and 40 Wall Street, but unless Donald Trump wants to sell his Florida properties, it is clear why he is struggling to come up with the cash. Donald Trump’s illusion of vast wealth was just another con.

https://www.politicususa.com/2024/03/18/trumps-assets-could-be-seized-as-he-cant-afford-464-million-bond.html

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Trump's Assets Could Be Seized As He Can't Afford $464 Million Bond (Original Post) Tom of Temecula Mar 18 OP
Can they seize his ass, too? Blue Owl Mar 18 #1
My first thought too😂😂😂 Traildogbob Mar 18 #5
Stormy says all you need are tweezers if you want to seize his penis. magicarpet Mar 18 #16
Some would call it a 30-cent stack of dimes. SoFlaBro Mar 18 #59
Ick, who wants it? Ocelot II Mar 18 #19
I want it -- locked up in a jail cell! Blue Owl Mar 18 #34
I'll take it. SergeStorms Mar 18 #41
Right. New York's gonna take them! elleng Mar 18 #2
or he sells assets... WarGamer Mar 18 #3
Isn't he doing that with trading cards and golden sneakers? Ping Tung Mar 18 #8
I was thinking more like selling real estate... WarGamer Mar 18 #10
Maybe he can sell some property to a Russian oligarch. Ping Tung Mar 18 #15
The problem is that he doesn't own most of his real estate outright. Ocelot II Mar 18 #20
Mar a Lago is worth over a billion according to the orange conman NYC Liberal Mar 18 #35
I Don't know why he hasn't started selling stuff... WarGamer Mar 18 #46
Seize the penthouse NanaCat Mar 18 #50
How about all the people who own apartments there? WarGamer Mar 18 #51
What about them? NanaCat Mar 18 #63
There is a monitor in place that restricts what he can do with his assets. LiberalFighter Mar 18 #54
Not true WarGamer Mar 18 #56
Tower Trump isn't owned by him. Right? LiberalFighter Mar 18 #53
Here's what he does and doesn't own in NYC. Ocelot II Mar 18 #58
Doesn't he value his "brand".... SergeStorms Mar 18 #42
Underwriters will only take cash, not properties as collateral. Irish_Dem Mar 18 #4
They will take properties if they can get a clear title getagrip_already Mar 18 #13
Exactly. Trump has been robbing Peter to pay Paul for decades. Irish_Dem Mar 18 #17
He probably used up whatever collateral he had in order to get the bond for the Carroll case. Ocelot II Mar 18 #21
Which must mean he had less than a $100 million in collateral? Irish_Dem Mar 18 #26
Even He Didnt Lie That Much ProfessorGAC Mar 18 #40
They don't want to deal with issues dealing with other co-owners. LiberalFighter Mar 18 #55
Letitia James is due to make another statement, gab13by13 Mar 18 #6
And she says in a very calm, matter of fact, soft spoken way. Irish_Dem Mar 18 #27
Send him to Rikers until he forks it over in full. aeromanKC Mar 18 #7
Not how it works NanaCat Mar 18 #52
Serves him right, being that he's ripped off taxpayers, the banks and other lending institutions of a huge SWBTATTReg Mar 18 #9
There's a Wendy's near me that's hiring. Pinback Mar 18 #11
Would you let Trump anywhere near a cash register? Irish_Dem Mar 18 #28
And he'd eat all the profits. MLAA Mar 18 #67
Can they start with his orange MOMFUDSKI Mar 18 #12
Jet Kammer Mar 18 #14
Get the 747 jet as the first property seizure. magicarpet Mar 18 #18
I wonder what that old crate is worth any more? It's a 757, not a 747, Ocelot II Mar 18 #22
They need to go after the employees signing off on the value. LiberalFighter Mar 18 #57
Its a 20 y.o. 757.. probably worth $12m getagrip_already Mar 18 #25
He needs a lot more than $12m. Irish_Dem Mar 18 #29
In a quick sale sction, it might not even get half that getagrip_already Mar 18 #33
It is likely Trump owes more on all his assets than they are worth. Irish_Dem Mar 18 #36
Does he own that jet? or is it leased? JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 18 #24
It seems to be owned by one of the Trump Organizations. Ocelot II Mar 18 #48
It has been a fantasy of mine for years that Trump tower is seized and turned into a jumping off point for immigrants Takket Mar 18 #23
The problem is that NanaCat Mar 18 #60
He probably owes more on the properties than they're worth Jerry2144 Mar 18 #30
Yes. The underwriters won't take his properties as collateral. Irish_Dem Mar 18 #31
He has always paid too much for properties. louis-t Mar 18 #61
I kinda saw this coming.... Happy Hoosier Mar 18 #32
Wait not one instant. Seize Them Now! RobertDevereaux Mar 18 #37
They have to wait until the 30 days after Engoron NanaCat Mar 18 #65
Trump is a nillionaire. Purrfessor Mar 18 #38
I wish Alex Jones had been subject to this kind of forfeiture Silent3 Mar 18 #39
Trump's claimed property valuations are probably way out of line with the current reality. OAITW r.2.0 Mar 18 #43
We are at this moment enjoying popcorn; not copporn. twodogsbarking Mar 18 #44
So happy E Jean was first in line Demobrat Mar 18 #45
What he did to her was so vile and disgusting! For that alone, he needs to rot in jail. CTyankee Mar 18 #49
What a great way to start the week! limbicnuminousity Mar 18 #47
The Sick F*ck's mouth has again written a check..... lastlib Mar 18 #62
The Federal Insurance Company secured his 91 million bond and the judge accepted the terms in the EJean case Friday. Runningdawg Mar 18 #64
Time for Melania to warm up the webcam. cloudbase Mar 18 #66
And he wants to free the January 6th insurgents? Barry Markson Mar 18 #68

magicarpet

(14,210 posts)
16. Stormy says all you need are tweezers if you want to seize his penis.
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 02:54 PM
Mar 18

But who the hell wants that ? Even Melania has rejected it.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
41. I'll take it.
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 03:59 PM
Mar 18

Put it in a chopped garlic jar with formaldehyde in it and charge the MAGAts $10 to worship it for 5 minutes.

I'd make a fortune to pay for Attorneys to help immigrants entering the U.S. Nothing would frost Trump's and his cult's flakes more than that. 😁

I'd damn sure get better Attorneys than Trump has, too!

Ocelot II

(115,978 posts)
20. The problem is that he doesn't own most of his real estate outright.
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 03:07 PM
Mar 18

Most of it is either co-owned, mortgaged, encumbered in other ways, or was never his to begin with; he just licensed his name to use on some properties. He was never as rich as he let on, and now he doesn't even have much cash or other relatively liquid assets like stocks that he could sell.

Ha, ha.

NYC Liberal

(20,138 posts)
35. Mar a Lago is worth over a billion according to the orange conman
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 03:35 PM
Mar 18

That’ll easily cover it. Obviously he would never inflate his property’s value…right?

WarGamer

(12,506 posts)
46. I Don't know why he hasn't started selling stuff...
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 04:20 PM
Mar 18

He can certainly sell his Tower penthouse and the commercial/parking areas...

But he doesn't want to as he's probably hoping for the judgment to be reduced by the Courts

Just a delay tactic I guess

NanaCat

(1,510 posts)
50. Seize the penthouse
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 04:26 PM
Mar 18

And turn it into a migrant detention center. After redecorating it. We don't want to traumatize our future citizens.

NanaCat

(1,510 posts)
63. What about them?
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 04:41 PM
Mar 18

Are you trying to say that migrants aren't good enough to live next to the owners of those flats? Who are they to be so particular? They lived next to a pig when he resided there. The migrants would be an improvement.

BTW: I realize it won't happen. It's fun to think about, though.

WarGamer

(12,506 posts)
56. Not true
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 04:32 PM
Mar 18

He simply has to ask the monitor for permission to sell property to satisfy the judgment or bond.

The court appointed monitor would have no legitimate reason to say no.

LiberalFighter

(51,314 posts)
53. Tower Trump isn't owned by him. Right?
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 04:30 PM
Mar 18

If so, I would think the actual owners would want to remove his name asap.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
42. Doesn't he value his "brand"....
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 04:12 PM
Mar 18

at $10 billion, or some ridiculous amount?

Get George Soros to buy it (the patron saint of liberals, right?) then the whole Trump family can't use their last name anymore.

Have the contract stipulate that George would even get to choose Trump's replacement name. "Duck" would be good, but they'd probably run into ©️ problems with Disney. "Donald Shithead" has a nice ring to it. The possibilities are endless! 😉



getagrip_already

(14,954 posts)
13. They will take properties if they can get a clear title
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 02:51 PM
Mar 18

But it's doubtful they can since much of it heavily leveraged, or he is just a minority owner in a real estate trust, or there isn't enough equity to bother with.

He is running a game of 3 card Monty with other people's money and the bond companies aren't interested in playing.

Irish_Dem

(47,860 posts)
17. Exactly. Trump has been robbing Peter to pay Paul for decades.
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 02:55 PM
Mar 18

Michael Cohen says Trump's properties are all heavily mortgaged.
Looks like Cohen is right.

Trump's properties have no financial value to Trump.
And he obviously doesn't have much cash.

Sounds like Trump is broke?

Ocelot II

(115,978 posts)
21. He probably used up whatever collateral he had in order to get the bond for the Carroll case.
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 03:08 PM
Mar 18

And now he's screwed. I love it.

Irish_Dem

(47,860 posts)
26. Which must mean he had less than a $100 million in collateral?
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 03:23 PM
Mar 18

But Trump says he is worth $10 Billion.

NOPE.

ProfessorGAC

(65,387 posts)
40. Even He Didnt Lie That Much
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 03:50 PM
Mar 18

Back in '16, he claimed assets of $10.2 billion & debt of $5.4 billion.
So his greatest exaggeration was being worth $4.8 billion.
Yeah, that was a lie. Moody's estimated asset value at barely over $8 billion, but we now know there was at least another $1.2 billion in long term debt.
Sure, that's would still be positive net worth in 10 figures, but now we know that values may have been more overstated than even Moody's could define. And, we don't know how much off-the-books loans are out there because they could be personal loans, not part of the company.
But, if he has too little cash or near cash to come up with $470 million, he can't be worth over a billion, and he's got all his eggs in one basket.
He definitely lied about his net worth, but even he never claimed that high a number.

gab13by13

(21,493 posts)
6. Letitia James is due to make another statement,
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 02:29 PM
Mar 18

I love when she Beoach slaps him right across the kisser. She doesn't pull any punches.

Irish_Dem

(47,860 posts)
27. And she says in a very calm, matter of fact, soft spoken way.
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 03:25 PM
Mar 18

Like Nancy Pelosi. She can cut off your head and you don't even know it happened.

SWBTATTReg

(22,201 posts)
9. Serves him right, being that he's ripped off taxpayers, the banks and other lending institutions of a huge
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 02:33 PM
Mar 18

amount of money over the decade(s) or so that he's ripped off people. I hope that he suffers. He deserves it.

Ocelot II

(115,978 posts)
22. I wonder what that old crate is worth any more? It's a 757, not a 747,
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 03:09 PM
Mar 18

and in any event it's more than 30 years old. He paid $100M for it in 2011 (or so he says), but a lot of that cost went into making it special - it even has gold-plated bathroom fixtures and seat belt buckles. What's the resale value of a 30-year-old airplane with an interior that looks like it once belonged to Saddam Hussein's pimp. It's tacky in the same way the Trump Tower apartment is tacky.

The airplane is owned by one of the Trump Organization companies, Tag Air. "In an April filing with the Office of Government Ethics, Trump claimed that the TAG Air had a value of $1,001 or less. Then, in a revised July filing, Trump valued TAG Air at between $5 million and $25 million. In the mere three months that elapsed between the two disclosures, Trump's estimate of TAG Air's value jumped by a factor of 5,000 or more. It's unclear what prompted Trump's accountants to make such a drastic change. Steven Cheung, a spokesperson for Trump's campaign, did not respond to a request for comment." https://finance.yahoo.com/news/april-trump-said-private-jet-172603696.html

getagrip_already

(14,954 posts)
25. Its a 20 y.o. 757.. probably worth $12m
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 03:18 PM
Mar 18

Depending on last overhaul, maintenance history, and flight history.

Not more than $20m though. Lots of similar Corp jets listed for sale in that range.

getagrip_already

(14,954 posts)
33. In a quick sale sction, it might not even get half that
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 03:34 PM
Mar 18

And then the auction house gets a third.

Then creditors get whatever the note is worth.

Plus airport fees.

Ny might end up with almost, if not nothing. Trump would still owe the note though I think.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,382 posts)
24. Does he own that jet? or is it leased?
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 03:15 PM
Mar 18

If he owns it, how much is owed to the bank?

There may not be much money there.

Ocelot II

(115,978 posts)
48. It seems to be owned by one of the Trump Organizations.
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 04:24 PM
Mar 18

Whether there are mechanics' liens for work on the airplane or other debts isn't clear (but Trish James might know by now). It certainly isn't worth the $100M he said he paid for it.

Takket

(21,702 posts)
23. It has been a fantasy of mine for years that Trump tower is seized and turned into a jumping off point for immigrants
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 03:11 PM
Mar 18

NanaCat

(1,510 posts)
60. The problem is that
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 04:37 PM
Mar 18

His crappy tower has around 260 other tenants who own their flats, plus numerous business tenants who can't be booted, willy-nilly.

Turning it into a migrant center is exceedingly unlikely, much as many of us wish it could be.

Jerry2144

(2,131 posts)
30. He probably owes more on the properties than they're worth
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 03:29 PM
Mar 18

I’m sure he has pulled that level of fraud. More than likely he owes double what each property’s worth. I doubt there is any untapped equity in anything.

His mental decline will accelerate as it becomes more clear how big a fraud he is

Irish_Dem

(47,860 posts)
31. Yes. The underwriters won't take his properties as collateral.
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 03:31 PM
Mar 18

Sounds like he is upside down on everything.
He has no equity in them at all.

louis-t

(23,310 posts)
61. He has always paid too much for properties.
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 04:40 PM
Mar 18

Then tries to screw contractors, partners, the government, whoever, to make up the loss. He usually fails, as in the golf courses in Scotland and Ireland that are losing a million or more every year. 'Great businessman', my ass.

Happy Hoosier

(7,477 posts)
32. I kinda saw this coming....
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 03:32 PM
Mar 18

I found it hard to imagine a bond company being willing to accept the risk of a half-billion dollars. My guess is that damn few bond companieseven have the assets to pledge such a bond without immediately liquid collateral.

That kind of money is a potential company-ending event. Who would risk that on Don the Fraud?

NanaCat

(1,510 posts)
65. They have to wait until the 30 days after Engoron
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 04:45 PM
Mar 18

Filed the ruling officially before they can begin asset seizure. That won't be until next Monday.

Even then, it won't be a matter of going in and grabbing to be grabbing. Many of his assets aren't the property of the organization alone--he has partners and so on that must be sorted out.

Silent3

(15,432 posts)
39. I wish Alex Jones had been subject to this kind of forfeiture
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 03:42 PM
Mar 18

How many more decades until the Sandy Hook parents see a dime from him?

OAITW r.2.0

(24,759 posts)
43. Trump's claimed property valuations are probably way out of line with the current reality.
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 04:13 PM
Mar 18

And Trump had a lot to do with that.

By not reacting to the Covid 19 virus that was standing up CDC in Dec of 2019, he helped the virus to gain a broad foothold in the US. Lots of people were forced out of offices to work remotely. The RE markets in many large US cities have not recovered from this change. These large properties have to be worth way less than they were prior to Covid. Add to this all of the loans he's made on these properties.....I really doubt he's got anywhere near any significant net value in these properties.

Demobrat

(9,037 posts)
45. So happy E Jean was first in line
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 04:17 PM
Mar 18

to get her cash in place. Would suck to be at the end of the line of his creditors.

lastlib

(23,372 posts)
62. The Sick F*ck's mouth has again written a check.....
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 04:40 PM
Mar 18

that his butt can't cash.......
and neither can his bank(s).

Tragic.....I just want to cry for him........
( ) j/k.

Runningdawg

(4,531 posts)
64. The Federal Insurance Company secured his 91 million bond and the judge accepted the terms in the EJean case Friday.
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 04:44 PM
Mar 18

[link:https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4527387-judge-approves-trumps-91-million-bond-in-e-jean-carroll-lawsuit/|

Someone wanting their 15 min of fame and willing to pay 500 million for it will guarantee this one too.

Barry Markson

(269 posts)
68. And he wants to free the January 6th insurgents?
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 04:56 PM
Mar 18

The Biden administration needs to start confiscating the assets and property of all the traitors to this country as well!

FDR did it to the Japanese by executive order after the attack on Pearl Harbor.
What Trump and his bloodthirsty followers committed deserves no less!

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