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Biden: Capitalism without competition is not capitalism. It's exploitation. (Original Post) applegrove Mar 23 OP
Under-regulated capitalism fosters a miserable oligarchy. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 23 #1
Capitalism without regulation cannot succeed. elleng Mar 23 #14
I always substitute regulations with protections. ... aggiesal Mar 23 #15
That's good! elleng Mar 23 #16
Regulations are basically protections ... aggiesal Mar 23 #18
Yes, that's very good, Profitization. elleng Mar 23 #19
Absolutely true! BComplex Mar 23 #2
Technically, capitalism does not require competition. Yavin4 Mar 23 #3
"held in private hands" is also a human construct. applegrove Mar 23 #7
That may be technically true but... llmart Mar 23 #9
Yes. I was argueing with the person who brought up Human constructs. applegrove Mar 23 #10
Yeah, you can make that case, but I'm sure you would agree that here in the US KPN Mar 23 #11
Most people who tout capitalism also tout market economies... Silent3 Mar 23 #20
Maintaining a mixed economy is like keeping a wild tiger as a pet. Yavin4 Mar 24 #22
Capitalism is not what you say it is. DontBelieveEastisEas Mar 23 #12
If the intent isn't increasing capital to the holding class... Yavin4 Mar 24 #21
Intent is for a system that fosters innovation, trade, savings, opportunities and more. DontBelieveEastisEas Mar 24 #23
That is your goal, but not the goal of the capitalist class. Yavin4 Mar 24 #24
Capitalism is doomed. limbicnuminousity Mar 23 #4
Can't Rail Against "Big Government" modrepub Mar 23 #5
Nicely stated, Joe. erronis Mar 23 #6
also, vulture capitalisim. AllaN01Bear Mar 23 #8
And capitalism without regulation cannot succeed! elleng Mar 23 #13
Unregulated Capitalism leads to fascism... Wounded Bear Mar 23 #17

aggiesal

(8,960 posts)
15. I always substitute regulations with protections. ...
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 01:57 PM
Mar 23

It drives my conservative capitalists nuts.
A friend works in the mortgage industry and complains about all the regulations since the mortgage meltdown in 2008.

I responded with "... all the protections since the mortgage meltdown in 2008."?

Jaw drop

elleng

(131,398 posts)
16. That's good!
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 02:02 PM
Mar 23

I'm a retired Fed govt lawyer, worked @ Interstate Commerce Commission 20+ years, FIRST U.S. regulatory agency!!!

aggiesal

(8,960 posts)
18. Regulations are basically protections ...
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 02:18 PM
Mar 23

But Regulations have a negative feel, while protections have a positive feel.

I do the same when anyone mention "Privatization", I substitute with "Profitization".

Yavin4

(35,455 posts)
3. Technically, capitalism does not require competition.
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 11:12 AM
Mar 23

Nor does it even mean a middle class. These are constructs of social democracy which seeks to tame capitalism.

Capitalism is simply the means of production are held in private hands for the expressed intent of increasing capital to the capital holding class.

applegrove

(118,920 posts)
7. "held in private hands" is also a human construct.
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 12:13 PM
Mar 23

The whole thing is a construct. Especially money that allows for markets. Even bartering is a human construct. Two people have to agree.

llmart

(15,569 posts)
9. That may be technically true but...
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 12:17 PM
Mar 23

Biden's phrasing reaches those that need to hear it and in a way where they are more likely to understand his policies . Your way of explaining it would fly over most people's heads.

I approve of Biden's message.

applegrove

(118,920 posts)
10. Yes. I was argueing with the person who brought up Human constructs.
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 12:52 PM
Mar 23

I was pointing out his dilution of Biden's message with the human construct thing could also be so diluted. I posted the OP because I so think Biden's words ring true.

KPN

(15,678 posts)
11. Yeah, you can make that case, but I'm sure you would agree that here in the US
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 01:11 PM
Mar 23

we've had a mixed capitalist economy for much of our history --especially since the Great Depression -- in which both markets and the government play major roles. Competition may not be a requirement of laissez-faire capitalism, but its definitely a key feature of our mixed capitalist system.

Silent3

(15,441 posts)
20. Most people who tout capitalism also tout market economies...
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 02:46 PM
Mar 23

…with the zealots overemphasizing an imagined near-magical power of the “invisible hand” of the free market.

You certainly can’t have much of a market economy without competition. And even if not strictly technically correct, I think it’s fair to say that all across the political spectrum when capitalism is mentioned a market economy is an assumed component of that.

Yavin4

(35,455 posts)
22. Maintaining a mixed economy is like keeping a wild tiger as a pet.
Sun Mar 24, 2024, 12:52 AM
Mar 24

Since Reagan, our mixed economy has been heavily tilted towards the interests of the capital holding class.

Sooner or later, the tiger gonna tiger.

12. Capitalism is not what you say it is.
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 01:16 PM
Mar 23

Capitalism includes concepts of consumption.
And it is not based on the intent of increasing capital to the holding class.

Yavin4

(35,455 posts)
21. If the intent isn't increasing capital to the holding class...
Sun Mar 24, 2024, 12:49 AM
Mar 24

then what is the intent? The one true purpose of acquiring capital is to increase your capital. That's what gives you power.

23. Intent is for a system that fosters innovation, trade, savings, opportunities and more.
Sun Mar 24, 2024, 01:56 PM
Mar 24

My purpose of acquiring capital, has been to trade it for things I wanted: not to increase my capital.

Yavin4

(35,455 posts)
24. That is your goal, but not the goal of the capitalist class.
Sun Mar 24, 2024, 02:03 PM
Mar 24

Innovation, trade, etc. are only for the purpose of increasing capital. In fact, most innovation does not come from the capitalist class. Most innovation comes from academic research and govt sponsored projects. The internet began as a defense project. Pharma drugs come from govt studies.

Capitalists only care about innovation when it can increase their capital.

limbicnuminousity

(1,407 posts)
4. Capitalism is doomed.
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 11:35 AM
Mar 23

Competition is irrelevant when the competitors conspire to fix prices. The illusion of competition and the false promise of regulation mean nothing as long as Citizens United remains in place.

Modern day captains of industry and cash-hungry shareholders aren't going to stop raiding your bank account until we've returned to the days of the gold standard and indentured servitude. Eat the rich.

Wounded Bear

(58,791 posts)
17. Unregulated Capitalism leads to fascism...
Sat Mar 23, 2024, 02:06 PM
Mar 23

Since the goal of every corporation is 100% market share, capitalism leads to monopoly, and monopoly with unlimited access to power leads to the fascisitic marriage of business and government.

Regulation is necessary to protect democratic institutions.

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