Re: Key Bridge workers. I have a question and am hoping someone has facts.

[Stinky The Clown]

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Were the six workers who were killed undocumented?

My local news comes from Baltimore. I live close by. I have been following the news. I don't recall hearing any discussion of their status.

Does anyone know?

I see more than a few posts here on DU that they were. As if that somehow diminishes them. Or changes things.

On Edit:
In answer to those who want to know why I posted this, first off, I highlighted an important line that was in the OP, above. Next, I posted this because I want to swat down all the bullshit posts about their status. Before doing so, it would be good to know the facts. If it happens their status was undocumented, I still want to swat things down, but with a different line of discussion, encapsulated in the question: So What? They were engaged in hard work that were it not for "illegals" would have been filled by native born white men. Right? RIGHT?

(I used the term "illegals" to make a point, not to label them. It is not a term I use.)

[SunSeeker]

1. Their immigration status has not been confirmed yet.

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At this point, the immigration status of the six workers — whether they were in this country legally or were undocumented — is not known. They were from Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras.

https://www.marylandmatters.org/2024/03/28/the-bridge-collapse-is-an-immigration-story/

NBC reported that Maynor Suazo, 38, came to the US illegally 18 years ago, but his brother said he was moving through the steps to get legal residency and planned to return to Honduras this year to complete the process. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/central-america-mexico-families-mourn-baltimore-bridge-workers-rcna145429

[Stinky The Clown]

11. Thank you. That's what I thought.

[LeftInTX]

23. Yes, the issue was whether their employer who was a state contractor had broken any laws.

It's hard to say because Suazo had a daughter born in the US and he may have had a work permit. (These things are never cut and dry). He was eligible for permanent residency as long as he met the other requirements. He obviously needed to go back to Honduras and obtain a passport. (My husband had a cousin who was born in Nuevo Laredo, but was raised here. He didn't take the US citizenship plunge until after Bush started his crackdown, because he didn't need to. He was in his 40s at the time. He had to travel to the US consulate in Monterrey to obtain the needed documents)

[Deuxcents]

2. These six human beings died in a horrible accident. That's what matters to me.

Their families are devastated as their loved ones went to work like any other day/night and will never return. Documented or not, they are part of the human family and our efforts should be to help those families, not ask for papers.

[Think. Again.]

4. Well said, thank you.

[Stinky The Clown]

12. I agree. Perhaps you misunderstood my now edited) OP.

[Biophilic]

19. Very possibly. One glass of wine too many perhaps.

Beyond that those sobs in Texas talking freely about possibly executing women for abortions have really twisted my tail tonight.

[Think. Again.]

3. Actually, I think it's a little cold to be so openly curious about their personal details.

[Biophilic]

8. Because another post claimed they were undocumented.

It appears tha republicans are using this to stir trouble. I honestly don’t remember the other post I read earlier. Unfortunately, the republicans appear to be using this angle.

[Stinky The Clown]

17. At least one other such post has been taken down by a jury.

[Stinky The Clown]

13. Sorry you see it that way.

I have to wonder why that is your reaction, actually.

[Think. Again.]

20. You're wondering why I think it's cold to not respect a recently deceased person's privacy?

I just don't think it's anybody's business what their personal details are, do you really not understand that?

[Stinky The Clown]

21. You truly don't understand the OP?

Or are you using self righteousness to maintain your narrative?

[Think. Again.]

22. I see you've changed the OP since my first reply...

...you might consider just deleting it.

[Stinky The Clown]

24. Believe me, the change was not because of you.

More to the point, the important line that is highlighted was in the OP, and only highlighted in the edit. It seems you may have missed that.

[Think. Again.]

25. No, I did not miss it. My responses stand.

[Stinky The Clown]

26. Okay. I see where you're going. See you around campus. Have a swell rest of your evening.

*click*

[NoRethugFriends]

5. why is the answer to this so important to you?

They were just people

[Biophilic]

9. Yes, agreed, but others seem to be using this angle.

[Stinky The Clown]

15. See the edited OP. Should help you understand things

And why the phrase "so important to you". It was hardly a hair on fire post and if you actually read it, the reason was right there.

[elleng]

6. Perhaps 'undocumented,' but

' two of the workers who are presumed drowned, Maynor Suazo Sandoval, who immigrated from Honduras 17 years ago, and Miguel Luna, who has lived in Maryland for 19 years after immigrating from El Salvador, are CASA members who have received services from the organization over the years. Torres said CASA plans to provide a variety of help to the victims’ families, including financial aid, in the days ahead.'

and Larry Hogan likely let them in! (Or maybe former Governor O'Malley, NOW Social Security chief!)

[Srkdqltr]

7. These people had absolutely nothing to do with the bridge falling.

Stop it.

[Biophilic]

10. I don't see anyone blaming the workers here.

But others are claiming they were undocumented. I think the poster is just trying to clarify information. They weren’t blaming, but rather asking for clarification.

[Stinky The Clown]

18. Thank you

[Stinky The Clown]

16. What is you'd like me to stop? NOT RHETORICAL What would you have me stop

Also, reread the OP before you say whatever it is you want me to stop.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

14. I would be very surprised if they were.

It is not a term I use.

But you did.

[brush]

27. This nation can't survive as it is without low-wage workers...

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it was once enslaved workers (unpaid), then share cropping, then the braceros system and now immigrant workers (many undocumented) in agriculture, construction trades, gardening,land maintenance, meatpacking and on and on.

It's an un-hidden secret. Capitalism can't survive without such a wage scale.